| Author | Message | ||
     Damnut |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30112573 | ||
| F_skinner |
Damnut, good info. I only remember five but maritime is not my domain. I will have to quiz our resident expert on the subject tomorrow. | ||
| Court |
Triple Canopy is the one I am most aware of from my personal experience.
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| Kilroy |
I know it is no longer possible (with the current administration) but wouldn't it be nice to go on the offensive against these pukes and put and end to this scourge the right way by getting rid of them up front, rather than playing defense and / or giving in to them every time they manage to climb up a rope ladder. | ||
| Crackhead |
This is another reason why the Coast Guard needs to be expanded. The pirates don't even know what flag is flying on the ship or care who is POTUS. The don't even know that we have elections. The only reason the US hasn't had to deal with this is because it is the first time a US flag ship has been taken in that area. We have had US citizens captured but not ships. | ||
| Rfischer |
The US Coast Guard has Port Security teams, which are highly-trained commando-type units, with heavy weaponry and fast-mover non-standard boats. They also have drug interdiction units and assets that are tremendously effective. Think high-speed helos armed with chain gun and stinger air-to-surface missiles and with a dedicated sniper as part of the air crew. Unfortunately, unless their budget were to be significantly increased, they do not have the funding to expand these forces for general off-shore maritime security. With the CG in the midst of a complete replacement of its worn out and obsolete capital equipment, boats, ships, and aircraft, it is unlikely they will get any more $$ for an anti-piracy mission tho' they are without doubt the most suitable organization for it. All the more so as they are the one and only federally mandated maritime LE agency thus have the legal jurisdiction to undertake the mission. Sigh.... | ||
| Crackhead |
The $ needs getting taken away from the Navy and Air force as they down size and get shifted to the Coast Guard (CG). The CG is more adaptable to the new post superpower warfare. It is sad that the NYPD is bigger then the CG. | ||
| Rfischer |
Yup! And some of the best and most experienced members - some of my ex-shipmates - are getting out because they are tasked with too many missions and just plain worn out. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
bring in the jet fighters and let the sharks sort out the survivors. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
The CG is more adaptable to the new post superpower warfare Why do people always say this - " post superpower warfare"? In case no one has noticed, the Russians and the Chinese are expanding their sphere of influence and developing new weapons systems. In the case of the Chinese, it was reported last week they have developed a ballistic missile capable of destroying an aircraft carrier, which the U.S. currently has no defense against. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2223306/p osts) Don't be fooled just because they sell us their junk and we are stupid enough to buy it. They are not our friends and we should not let our guard down for they surely aren't !! | ||
| Thumper74 |
New developements in the case... The pirates are sending 'reinforcements' to help the ones stranded. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601072&si d=aNbTueHwH0z4&refer=energy This is pretty simple. They kill him, they die. They attack a Navy vessel, they die. There's only one way out of this and they need to accept it. | ||
| Edgydrifter |
It does seem pretty simple. Just announce via leaflet drop/radio broadcast/whatever that the next time a ship gets hijacked every "fishing" boat within two hundred miles of the incident gets sunk immediately. It avoids the collateral damage of bombing villages, and gives the legit fishermen in the area a very strong incentive to police their own neighbors. I know this is a little out of line with my normal peacenik tendencies, but honestly... what's a navy for if not snuffing pirates? | ||
| Court |
Huh? I would let the reinforcements get within 100 miles and I'd widely disseminate the video of an A-1 Wart Hog taking out their craft. There is one and only one way to stop this crap. Really . . . a band of 5 guys is getting in a boat and heading 300 miles to take on 2 United States Naval ships? I'm missing something. Send one USMC recruit from MCRD with a frickin' ball bat . | ||
| Cityxslicker |
The next soft target is the cruiselines. Mickey Mouse is ripe. Did a couple of briefings for the Walt Co back in 2003. Maybe time to drop them a note. Lessons learned and forgotten from Yemen and the Cole. History may not repeat itself but it rhymes. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I believe someone already tried a cruise ship but it was equipped with some sort of non-lethal device that made the pirates vomit and unable to continue the attack. | ||
| Froggy |
Some kind of rotten rum? | ||
| Rotzaruck |
There is one and only one way to stop this crap. Oh, but wait! There are more ships on the way for a "show of force" Good Grief! Yeah, a Marine, or a Seal or two...... Hey! Do we have a BadWebber over there anywhere? | ||
| Nevrenuf |
all they have to do is get word to the captain that two seals will be under the boat in one half hr with extra scuba gear and for him to jump over the life boat where they can get him to safety and they can shoot a couple of rounds in the life boat so it will sink leaving the pirates to fend for themselves. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Some kind of rotten rum?" For instance... http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=4857417 "These devices are more than just fancy speakers. California-based HPV Technologies recently demonstrated a "magnetic acoustic device" or MAD that can broadcast a targeted beam of sound for a more than mile. At close range, the sound from these devices can be terrifying and painful." | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I wasnt aware that became Man-pac The Marines have a device that was deployed in Somalia against the 'crowds'... mounted on HMMWV they would cross on an x & y axis and throw the switch. Those in the cross hairs would puke violently and disperse quickly to get out of its path. Never saw it in use, but 60 Minutes sure liked the doom and gloom of it all. Now if they have that down to a hand held ... | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
They have lasers that will make you puke.....microwave emitters that will excite the water in the dermis layer of your skin and give you a sensation of being on fire.....among other devices......fun stuff !! | ||
| Court |
Guys . . . guys .. guys . . . it's like 4 Somalians (is it me or does that sound like a snack cracker?) in a frickin' inflatable boat! We're going soft. I have visions of a B-52 overhead and having the yahoos look up and seeing a 2,000 bomb in free fall toward their 12# craft . . . . | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
There are gyroscopic stabilized guns that could be employed to "take out" those 4 Somalians in 20 foot seas if we had the desire but I ditto Court's assessment that we ( the U.S. ) have gone soft. We do so at our own peril, too | ||
| Dynasport |
I don't think it is an inflatable boat. They took one of the lifeboats from the Alabama, If the boat they showed on TV was an accurate representation, it is not inflatable. It does seem that a rescue operation would be possible. I assume they are trying really hard to protect the life of the captain. If I remember correctly, a group of Somalians killed a number of U.S. troops a few years ago. | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
We're mot soft, just don't want to hurt ANYONE's feelings | ||
| Thumper74 |
Are you referring to the black hawk incident in Mogadishu? It was a city against a few soldiers. Not three desperate Somolians 300 miles away from the nearest homie. | ||
| Court |
Look . . . I know it's not inflatable but you get my gist. We now have two Naval ships there and several more on the way. By sunset the odds are going to look something like. . . . United States Military - 3,000 armed, highly trained soldiers Assholes - 4 hungry, tired, rag tag, sandal wearing Somo My scenario . . . .
From: Your friends the Americans who provide you with over $1,000,000,000 in foreign aid a year. The plans a bit rough on the edges, but you get my drift. How long do you think it would be before they •••••• with us again. Remind me to tell you about Private Lehr, USMC. I've so little tolerance for bullshit. I blame my Dad for the day he taught me how to handle David Holzmeister. It looks bad, but works well. | ||
| Crackhead |
http://www.mda.mil/mdalink/html/mdalink.html the US has defense against ballistic missiles. Russia is still fighting with old Cold war tech. China well they will go through a lot of pilots. 9 out of 10 planes will blow up on the runway. Court i am guessing you were in the MC. Leave the policing to the CG. I think the whole situation with Somo is a good example of how bad politicians are at nation building. General Douglas MacArthur knew how to correctly fix a nation. It wasn't a perfect smooth transition, but it worked and was a learning experience. I wish Bush was sober for that history lesson. | ||
| Rfischer |
I concur completely. This is a law enforcement problem; give it to an LE force [CG] to deal with. It's their bailiwick. We've seen, ad nauseum, how badly military forces perform in what are essentially law enforcement situations. | ||
| Aesquire |
The U.S. HAD a defense system against ballistic missiles. This Admin. does not like ABM, for philosophical reasons. ( my opinion is that the leftists hate ABM like they hate capitalism, self defense, the military, dissent, religions other than their own, etc. I can't give you a RATIONAL reason other than the idea that "if we can defend ourselves from missile attack, we will be the evil aggressors and attack first behind ur shield. So no shield." Quite a lot like, "if you resist rape, you deserve to get beat up" IMO ) Dumping ABM is screwing nations that would have been allies against religious murderers, AFTER they stood up to the Russian Empire. Pi%%es me off. Russian jets are very good, if with crude finish. Think of them as Rat Bobbers. Chinese stuff WAS cruder, but it's improving rapidly as WE boost their tech base with our money. I have no idea what you mean about 9 out of 10 planes will blow up on the runway.???? they don't now, and 2 admins ago sold them the tech to make ICBM's that actually work in exchange for campaign money. This is not like the late 80's when the USSR was smuggling video game consoles through Japan to run their aircraft radar displays, the SU-31 etc. are f-15 class planes. Dead right about MacArthur, but how on Earth do you expect a 21st century President to do the job right? We have to be kind to murdering scum because his "completely equal culture" of slavery, women abuse, suicide bombing, and racial hatred is deserving of respect.  ( my shiny metal ass ) The media is completely in the tank for Bush's political opposition, ( the one endorsed publicly by Hamas, AQ, etc. ) the "social & economic justice" taught them in college, and the burning desire to be the next Woodward & Bernstein. The press & political opposition lied about flushing a Koran & people died. They lied about prisoner mistreatment & bad conditions, ( better living at Gitmo than 80% of the planet, except for the locks on the door ) Bush was screamed at that we were insensitive and troops had to take classes in how to be enlightened. We should have been training for years in how to wins the hearts & minds of last world hells infested with religious murderers. That's been the enemy for half a century, with the Soviets and now China playing proxy war. We don't often confront the big enemies, but their minions kill daily. Clinton cut the Military. Barack is going to too. deja-feaking-vu. You expect Bush...or Obama, to have a half a shot at MacArthur's success? Different times, different restrictions. Pity, since you are right that his techniques would be better than we use today. Ditto with pirates. How about a NRA/Knob Creek gun club cruise up the East African coast? |
