| Author | Message | ||
     Spiderman |
Some spic How did a cleaning product ask you about your moto-scoota?  | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
I don't know about yall, but in my encounters, I have come to find the the less a person knows about bikes, the more verbal they are about my Buells. I hear ya. Isn't this usually the case in all subjects, not just bikes? | ||
| Bills3t |
Last year at a gas station filling up the s3t I had a teen come up to me and scream ,"WOW",HARLEYS NEW SCREAMING EAGLE. I just busted up laughing . Then told the truth about one the best kept secrets that has ever come out of wisconi. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
"By the way, do you know you have a headlight out?" | ||
| Greenlantern |
Mmmmmmm, Wisconi....  | ||
| Spiderman |
LOL Wisconi, sounds like a new pasta. "Hey Mario let me get some wisconi with meat sauce!" | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
You wan cheese wit dat? | ||
| Limitedx1 |
i am overly tired of explaining the buell story to people........ijust tell ya its got a sportster motor on crack in it.........i cant begin to tell you how many people i have to show my harley barrel key to because they dont believe me (Message edited by limitedx1 on March 30, 2009) | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
On my way to Daytona in the head at one of the gas stops.... What kinda bike you riding??... Its a Buell... Who makes it??? Buell.... Where's it made??? (asked with a bit of tude) Wisconsin.... Really?? Its a HDI product... Its a Harley?? No.. Its a BUELL... HDI is the parent company.. SO.. Its a Harley. two shakes and I left.... can't a dude take a wiz in peace? | ||
| Ratbuell |
"well my bike has a harley motor in it". Wow, you have an S2? Or an RR/RS? Because it looks like your profile pic is an XB...and that's a *Buell* motor. Buells haven't had HD motors since the S2. They share the *architecture* - 4 cams, same V angle, 2 valves, etc - but they are cast, assembled and used exclusively by and for Buell. I guess I'm just tired of hearing Buell's claim to "fame" being that it's "a Harley". It's NOT. It's a BUELL, and I'm proud of THAT. Sometimes it *is* easier to explain to the uneducated masses that yes, it's a HD...kinda like just saying "thanks" when someone tells me my Uly has a headlight out. I just tell people that Buell is Buell. They have HD paying the bills and are technically owned by HD, but they're their own set of very talented, enthusiastic, and wonderful people in East Troy. NOT Milwaukee (with the exception of some very nice corporate-level folks). NOT York. Or KC. If we're gonna 'educate' folks...let's EDUCATE them. Buell is Buell. Period. Their history includes HD, their finances include HD...but the bikes are all Buell. | ||
| F_skinner |
I guess I'm just tired of hearing Buell's claim to "fame" being that it's "a Harley". It's NOT. It's a BUELL, and I'm proud of THAT. Amen!!! Knowing you Joe I can see that people would want to talk to you about your bikes and can almost see you trying to explain this to someone. I do not have that problem. No one talks to me!!! Life is Good! Imagine my horror when two XB riders tried to talk to me at a gas station after I have been riding 400 miles, mostly in the rain. Them: Your BMW sounds great. Me: Its not a BMW. I get on the bike and take off riding by their XBs making sure they can either see Buell on the Tank or Buell on my jacket. A few people have thought the S2-T was BMW. I don't have the time or inclination to educate the world. | ||
| Court |
>>>>They have HD paying the bills and are technically owned by HD Partially correct. They are owned by Harley-Davidson. Buell makes a profit and pays it's own bills. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Buell makes a profit and pays it's own bills. That's awesome - I wasn't aware of that, thanks for correcting me  | ||
| Methed |
Good correction, Court. I've known many Harley riders who believe that the Buell side is just a 'write off' for the Motor Company--just a way to account loss to balance the profit. Seriously. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Wow, you have an S2? Or an RR/RS? Because it looks like your profile pic is an XB...and that's a *Buell* motor. Buells haven't had HD motors since the S2. They share the *architecture* - 4 cams, same V angle, 2 valves, etc - but they are cast, assembled and used exclusively by and for Buell. I would argue the opposite. A new 1200 Sportster engine likely has more Buell-designed parts in it than Harley at this point. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Actually, the only XL engine that has Buell designed parts is the XR, and IIRC it's limited to heads, cam profiles, and a belt tensioner (and I still have yet to verify they're actual Buell parts, or just 'borrowed' design features). Standard XLs have been updated over the years, yes...but they're still just an EFI Evo Sporty motor (with HP/tq numbers to prove it). Design path has been totally seperate from Buell motors. Performance goals and approaches are completely different, and they're done by seperate teams. Evidence? People putting first Thunderstorm, and now XB, heads on their XLs for better performance. Or the 1200R heads from a couple years ago being the hot setup for XBs because of their port design. Similar architecture...different paths. | ||
| Court |
>>>A new 1200 Sportster engine likely has more Buell-designed parts in it than Harley at this point. There are lots of arguments that, depending on how they are spun, can make either HD or Buell sounds like they came to the technical or financial rescue of the other. Fact is . . it has been a wonderful relationship for both entities. Like any wonderful relationship, it's had it's moments and continues to but things seem to work out quite well. Not bad for a pair of companies that both started in wooden sheds. Court | ||
| Xl1200r |
Actually, the only XL engine that has Buell designed parts is the XR, and IIRC it's limited to heads, cam profiles, and a belt tensioner (and I still have yet to verify they're actual Buell parts, or just 'borrowed' design features). Standard XLs have been updated over the years, yes...but they're still just an EFI Evo Sporty motor (with HP/tq numbers to prove it). Design path has been totally seperate from Buell motors. Performance goals and approaches are completely different, and they're done by seperate teams. Evidence? People putting first Thunderstorm, and now XB, heads on their XLs for better performance. Or the 1200R heads from a couple years ago being the hot setup for XBs because of their port design. Similar architecture...different paths. Incorrect. All 1200cc XL heads from 2004 and newer are exactly the same as those found Buell XB engines. The only difference is the breather location, which is still present on the Buell heads, they just have a plug in them. Also, I believe the rotating assembly, aside from the pistons, are the same between the two engines. On top of that, if you take something like the grey-coated cylinder from an XB, coat it black instead and highlight the fins, is it really a different part? Who's to say it's an HD or Buell part at that point? What hinders a 1200cc XL's performance at this point is the way the intake and exhaust systems have to *look* for a Harley. And, if anything, the XR has less in common with an XB than an XL does. Fact is . . it has been a wonderful relationship for both entities. This is how I look at it. These two companies would not exists as they do today without each other. You can argue 'till you're blue in the face, but that engine in your XB IS a Harley motor - hopped up and re-engineered by Buell, sure, but it's still a Harley engine. And that's how I explained it people who didn't know: "It's a sport bike with a hopped-up Harley motor in it." (Message edited by xl1200r on March 30, 2009) | ||
| Ratbuell |
Hm. Sounds like I need to brush up on my research a bit more...but I still tell folks my Buell is a Buell, not an HD. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Just lie on the couch now & tell me... Did you have a deprived childhood? No, that's good. Are you in love with your mother? No, that's good too. What does this Inkblot look like? A butterfly, very good. So why do you feel the need to explain to people about your motorcycle? Does it make you feel superior to them? Do you not think they are capable of finding out for themselves? Do you get feelings of rage when they're too dumb to understand? This is normal. Now please go behind the screen with the nurse while I process your credit card. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
It is the dirtiest bike you have never heard of, heres my card. | ||
| Court |
>>> but that engine in your XB IS a Harley motor That's neither very accurate or entirely wrong. Buell (albeit with some HD Engineers assigned to the effort) designed the motor and sent the specs to HD for manufacture. It kind of boils down to semantics. The motor would not exist were it not for Buell. | ||
| Old_man |
It makes me happy that most people don't know what my Buell is. If I was the kind that cared about that. I would have bought a Harley or a Honda. And be like the rest. | ||
| Ratbuell |
My situation is pride of ownership, plain and simple. Someone smarter than me worked very hard to make my bikes happen, so I could enjoy them every time I turn the key. The bikes work very well and give me a great deal of joy, and I want the *right* people (especially after having met a number of them in person) to get credit for building them. I've been to York. It's a plant. An assembly line. It's noisy, smelly, you can barely hear yourself think, and I couldn't wait for the tour to be over so I could get back out to fresh air and my ringing ears could have a break. I've been to East Troy. It's an overused cliche, but it's true - ET is a family, plain and simple. You can hear yourself think, you can communicate with the person standing next to you, and the people on the line and in the offices will *always* make eye contact and smile (at the very least), even if they're building something, torquing something, or talking on a phone. They're proud of what they do, and it shows. Even the poor girls in the clothing area at Homecoming - all 115 degrees of it - kept smiling and chatting away with everyone who came to the counter. Amazing. Those people and the way they carry themselves - *that* is why I make a point of saying "Buell is Buell". | ||
| Cadhopper |
Court, Out of curiosity are the motors built in East Troy or at another facility? Thanks | ||
| Brumbear |
I had a chick tell me she thinks somethings wrong with my bike as it didn't sound right. I just said Thanks darlin nice tits | ||
| Cyclonedon |
"I just said Thanks darlin nice tits" women sure do like compliments! | ||
| Jaimec |
I'm not Court (nor do I play him on television) but the engines (air-cooled, anyway) are made in Milwaukee and shipped to East Troy... | ||
| Steve_mackay |
but they are cast, assembled and used exclusively by and for Buell I *THINK* they are cast by EST(they used to do a LOT of small automotive castings) They are machined and assembled by HD, At the Pilgrim Rd assembly plant in Menomonee Falls, WI. and purchased by Buell as an assembled unit. While the design is mainly Buell, the manufacturing is all HD. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
BUELL The only motorcycle Made in Wisconsin We need a t-shirt with that on it.... That would raise a eyebrow or two... |
