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Babired
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why is the side stand on the left side of the bike?
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Fast1075
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here's my theory....you mount a horse from the left side....motorcycle = iron horse...mount motorcycle from left side...makes sense to have the kick stand on left.
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Mnbueller
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Woah, that is an interesting question...

My guess: It causes you mount the bike from the left side, which is where the drivers door is on a cager in the US anyway.

Or maybe its because the majority of people are right-handed and its more 'natural' to put your right leg over a bike than your left.

Or maybe when the side stand was introduced it just for any reason got installed on the left and its just become an industry standard.

I'm thinking of moving my to the right just so I can be different! But then I'll probably forget and tip my bike over
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Lastcyclone
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I always figured it was becuase the sometimes hot pipes are on the right. Or maybe that is the way bicycles were first made with the drive side on the right not leaving space for a stand on that side.
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Brumbear
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well in theory the world is turning in a clockwise rotation and creating BALL DRAG with a touque effiecency equal to 1/2 gravity that being the cause of a left nut droppage hearby allowing it to become much easier to the human coeffient to raise your right leg then your left
Here endith the lesson
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Limitedx1
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

maybe because the brake pedal is on the right....but if you go back far enough some bikes had left side brake pedals.....so i guess that isnt it..
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 08:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Theory at least for U.S and other right side driving countries, left sided stand facilitates getting off and/or not leaning bike towards curb or shoulder/or lack of at side of roadway/ highway. Now you introduce the leftie side nations and that goes out the window, so um idunno?
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86129squids
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Why are centerstands on the bottom side of the bike?
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 08:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Because you couldn't use a tank bag if they were on top moron!
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Mortarmanmike120
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The first motorcycle had training wheels...





Gottlieb Daimler is however largely credited with building the first motorcycle in around 1885, wheels front back, but had a smaller spring-loaded outrigger stabiliser wheel on each side. It was constructed mostly of wood, with the wheels being iron-banded wooden-spoked.
It was powered by a single-cylinder 264cc Otto-cycle engine, and possibly a spray-type carburetor. (Daimler's assistant, Wilhelm Maybach was working on the invention of the spray carburetor around this time). Power Output 0.5hp @ 600rpm

Daimler’s son Paul became the "first motorcyclist" on November 10, 1885, when he rode his father’s invention for nearly 10 km (6 mi).
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Court
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

HINT:


quote:

Motorcycle Side Stand Retraction Test Procedure
Document Number: J1578
Revision Number: A
Date Published: January 2009

Issuing Committee:
Motorcycle Technical Committee

Scope:
This test procedure provides a standard method for evaluating the side stand retraction performance of a side stand/motorcycle combination. This test procedure applies to any two-wheeled motorcycle without a sidecar, equipped with a side stand, and intended for highway use. (See SAE J213.) This SAE Recommended Practice is intended as a guide toward standard practice but may be subject to frequent change to keep pace with experience and technical advances. This should be kept in mind when considering the use of this document.


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Court
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually . . . . it's a good question. I've got books here on everything from what controls have to go where, how they operate. how M.P.H. must be abbreviated and how to conduct the five brake fade tests . . . . but side stands don't appear to be mentioned.

I had to ask.
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Firebolt32
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Because you couldn't use a tank bag if they were on top moron!

Speaking of training wheels, have you ever seen that geezer pull up to a stop light on the really nice dresser? Just as he is coming to a stop, hits a button, and a set of training wheels come out from under the bags. Terrible...
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Spiderman
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

and a set of training wheels come out from under the bags. Terrible...

Yeah that is horrible!

I mean really why should a handicap, disabled person who can't fully use there leg(s) enjoy riding a motorcycle. I mean really just sit at home and waste away slowly!


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Babired
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I love all of your answers! I was baffled when a student asked it. If you all don't mind I'm going to print this and take it to the class tonight. Simple things we don't think about after riding so may miles! Oh yeah anybody else have something please post it. K

(Message edited by babired on March 27, 2009)
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Court
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here. . . if you want something interesting to print and take to class. I may have an answer for your sidestand question, if I do I'll e-mail it.


quote:

[Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 49, Volume 5]
[Revised as of October 1, 2001]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 49CFR571.123]

[Page 404-407]

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER V--NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC
SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT
OF TRANSPORTATION

PART 571--FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS--Table of Contents

Subpart B--Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards

Sec. 571.123 Standard No. 123; Motorcycle controls and displays.

S1. Scope. This standard specifies requirements for the location,
operation, identification, and illumination of motorcycle controls and
displays, and requirements for motorcycle stands and footrests.
S2. Purpose. The purpose of this standard is to minimize accidents
caused by operator error in responding to the motoring environment, by
standardizing certain motorcycle controls and displays.
S3. Application. This standard applies to motorcycles equipped with
handlebars, except for motorcycles that are designed, and sold
exclusively for use by law enforcement agencies.
S4. Definitions. Clockwise and counterclockwise mean opposing
directions of rotation around the following axes, as applicable.
(a) The operational axis of the ignition control, viewed from in
front of the ignition lock opening;
(b) The axis of the right handlebar on which the twist-grip throttle
is located, viewed from the end of that handlebar;
(c) The axis perpendicular to the center of the speedometer, viewed
from the operator's normal eye position.
S5. Requirements.
S5.1. Each motorcycle shall be equipped with a supplemental engine
stop control, located and operable as specified in Table 1.
S5.2 Each motorcycle to which this standard applies shall meet the
following requirements:
S5.2.1 Control location and operation. If any item of equipment
listed in Table 1, Column 1, is provided, the control for such item
shall be located as specified in Column 2, and operable as specified in
Column 3. Each control located on a right handlebar shall be operable by
the operator's right hand throughout its full range without removal of
the operator's right hand from the throttle. Each control located on a
left handlebar shall be operable by the operator's left hand throughout
its

[[Page 405]]

full range without removal of the operator's left hand from the
handgrip. If a motorcycle with an automatic clutch is equipped with a
supplemental rear brake control, the control shall be located on the
left handlebar. If a motorcycle is equipped with self-proportioning or
antilock braking devices utilizing a single control for front and rear
brakes, the control shall be located and operable in the same manner as
a rear brake control.
S5.2.2 Display illumination and operation. If an item of equipment
listed in Table 2, Column 1, is provided, the display for such item
shall be visible to a seated operator under daylight conditions, shall
illuminate as specified in Column 2, and shall operate as specified in
Column 3.
S5.2.3 Control and display identification. If an item of equipment
in Table 3, Column 1, is provided, the item and its operational function
shall be identified by:
(a) A symbol substantially in the form shown in Column 3; or
(b) Wording shown in both Column 2 and Column 4; or
(c) A symbol substantially in the form shown in Column 3 and wording
shown in both Column 2 and Column 4.
(d) The abbreviations ``M.P.H.'', ``km/h'', ``r/min'', ``Hi'',
``Lo'', ``L'', ``R'', and ``Res'' appearing in Column 2 and Column 4 may
be spelled in full. Symbols and words may be provided for equipment
items where none are shown in Column 2, Column 3, and Column 4. Any
identification provided shall be placed on or adjacent to the control or
display position, and shall appear upright to the operator.
S5.2.4 Stands. A stand shall fold rearward and upward if it
contacts the ground when the motorcycle is moving forward.
S5.2.5 Footrests. Footrests shall be provided for each designated
seating position. Each footrests for a passenger other than an operator
shall fold rearward and upward when not in use.

Table 1--Motorcycle Control Location and Operation Requirements
-------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------
Equipment control--Column 1 Location--Column 2 Operation--Column 3
-------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------
1. Manual clutch or integrated clutch Left handlebar.............. Squeeze to disengage clutch.
and gear change.
2. Foot operated gear change............ Left foot control........... An upward motion of the operator's toe
shifts transmission toward lower
numerical gear ratios (commonly
referred to as ``higher gears''), and a
downward motion toward higher numerical
gear ratios (commonly referred to as
``lower gears''). If three or more
gears are provided it shall not be
possible to shift from the highest gear
directly to the lowest gear, or vice
versa.
3. Headlamp upper-lower beam control.... Left handlebar.............. Up for upper beam, down for lower beam.
If combined with the headlight on-off
switch, means shall be provided to
prevent inadvertent actuation of the
``off'' function.
4. Horn................................. ......do.................... Push to activate.
5. Turn signal lamps.................... Handlebars..................
6. Ignition............................. ............................ ``Off''--counterclockwise from other
positions.
7. Manual fuel shutoff control.......... ............................ Rotate to operate. ``On'' and ``Off''
are separated by 90 degrees of
rotation. ``Off'' and ``Reserve'' (if
provided) are separated by 90 degrees
of rotation. Sequence order: ``On''--
``Off''--``Reserve''.
8. Twist-grip throttle.................. Right handlebar............. Self-closing to idle in a clockwise
direction after release of hand.
9. Supplemental engine stop............. ......do....................
10. Front wheel brake................... ......do.................... Squeeze to engage.
11. Rear wheel brakes................... Right foot control\1\....... Depress to engage.
Left handlebar permissible
for motor-driven cycles.
-------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------
\1\ See S5.2.1 for requirements for vehicles with a single control for front and rear brakes, and with a
supplemental rear brake control.


Table 2--Motorcycle Display Illumination and Operation Requirements
-------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------
Display--Column 1 Illumination--Column 2 Operation--Column 3
-------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------
1. Speedometer......................... Yes............................ The display is illuminated whenever
the headlamp is activated.

[[Page 406]]


2. Neutral indication.................. Green display lamp............. The display lamp illuminates when the
gear selector is in neutral position.
-------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------

[GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] TR24SE98.035


[[Page 407]]

[37 FR 7207, Apr. 12, 1972, as amended at 37 FR 17475, Aug. 29, 1972; 39
FR 32915, Sept. 12, 1974; 48 FR 42819, Sept. 20, 1983; 49 FR 35381,
Sept. 7, 1984; 49 FR 35504, Sept. 10, 1984; 56 FR 61387, Dec. 3, 1991;
63 FR 28933, May 27, 1998; 63 FR 51001, Sept. 24, 1998]


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Babired
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Court! I knew I could count on all of you guys to come up with something, zany non zany keep it coming: ) K
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Gowindward
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Interesting!

I think it's natural for a right handed person. I think about how I mount a bicycle that doesn't even have a side stand I typically mount on the left. Kind of same thing along the horse line. Does a horse really care??? or is it because that is what was most natural for a right handed person to mount from the left.
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Jramsey
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Forget the stand just lean it up against a tree.
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Crackhead
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

all of you short people mount from the left. the salesman freaked out when i mounted uly X from the right and was almost flat footed.

What i don't understand is the front brake for a bicycle is on the left but for a motorcycle it is on the right.
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Ducbsa
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Some bikes also had 'em on the right side. In fact you can buy one here http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/One-Vincent-Prop-St and-F24%2F2R-_W0QQitemZ110368051511QQcmdZViewItemQ QimsxZ20090324?IMSfp=TL0903241210001r38853
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Greenlantern
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What i don't understand is the front brake for a bicycle is on the left but for a motorcycle it is on the right.


Because the throttle on a bicycle is where the rear brake should be.
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Tod662
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm with limetedx1 motorbicycles just followed their human powered predecessor's president of right side drive, left side stand... unless there is another explanation(Did bicycles have kickstands, was right side chaindrive the rule?).
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Limitedx1
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

does everyone mount their biek from the shifter side? ever tried to push your bike while standing on the brake pedal side.....weird! i cant push my dirt bike or street bike from the brake side, i MUST be on the shifter side to move anything with control
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Nillaice
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i swapped cables on my bike to match the motorcycle... don't want habbits to carry over.
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Sleez
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i have always changed my bicycle brakes to front on the right!
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Citified
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

it has every thing to do with horses, even foot control placement. western saddles have forward mounted stirrups, so american bikes had forward controls. European saddles have mid mounted stirrups, hence mid controls on old euro bikes.
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Citified
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was ust informed that it is english saddle not european saddle
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hell I thought it was to keep the tranny oiled when you leaned it over, so at least you had a fair start at getting everything goin again. You know back in the day when the moved from the rear mount wheel stand to the side kick... say circa 1920's

could just be an old wives tale like green bikes are bad luck.
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Shupe
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ever seen a H-D Sprint (Aermacci)?
Kicker on left, stand on right.



Sprint
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