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Babired
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:03 am: |
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Why is the side stand on the left side of the bike? |
Fast1075
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:30 am: |
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Here's my theory....you mount a horse from the left side....motorcycle = iron horse...mount motorcycle from left side...makes sense to have the kick stand on left. |
Mnbueller
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:36 am: |
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Woah, that is an interesting question... My guess: It causes you mount the bike from the left side, which is where the drivers door is on a cager in the US anyway. Or maybe its because the majority of people are right-handed and its more 'natural' to put your right leg over a bike than your left. Or maybe when the side stand was introduced it just for any reason got installed on the left and its just become an industry standard. I'm thinking of moving my to the right just so I can be different! But then I'll probably forget and tip my bike over |
Lastcyclone
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:52 am: |
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I always figured it was becuase the sometimes hot pipes are on the right. Or maybe that is the way bicycles were first made with the drive side on the right not leaving space for a stand on that side. |
Brumbear
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:52 am: |
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Well in theory the world is turning in a clockwise rotation and creating BALL DRAG with a touque effiecency equal to 1/2 gravity that being the cause of a left nut droppage hearby allowing it to become much easier to the human coeffient to raise your right leg then your left Here endith the lesson |
Limitedx1
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 07:57 am: |
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maybe because the brake pedal is on the right....but if you go back far enough some bikes had left side brake pedals.....so i guess that isnt it.. |
Greenlantern
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 08:25 am: |
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Theory at least for U.S and other right side driving countries, left sided stand facilitates getting off and/or not leaning bike towards curb or shoulder/or lack of at side of roadway/ highway. Now you introduce the leftie side nations and that goes out the window, so um idunno? |
86129squids
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 08:30 am: |
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Why are centerstands on the bottom side of the bike? |
Greenlantern
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 08:41 am: |
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Because you couldn't use a tank bag if they were on top moron! |
Mortarmanmike120
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 08:53 am: |
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The first motorcycle had training wheels...
Gottlieb Daimler is however largely credited with building the first motorcycle in around 1885, wheels front back, but had a smaller spring-loaded outrigger stabiliser wheel on each side. It was constructed mostly of wood, with the wheels being iron-banded wooden-spoked. It was powered by a single-cylinder 264cc Otto-cycle engine, and possibly a spray-type carburetor. (Daimler's assistant, Wilhelm Maybach was working on the invention of the spray carburetor around this time). Power Output 0.5hp @ 600rpm Daimler’s son Paul became the "first motorcyclist" on November 10, 1885, when he rode his father’s invention for nearly 10 km (6 mi). |
Court
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:12 am: |
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HINT:
quote:Motorcycle Side Stand Retraction Test Procedure Document Number: J1578 Revision Number: A Date Published: January 2009 Issuing Committee: Motorcycle Technical Committee Scope: This test procedure provides a standard method for evaluating the side stand retraction performance of a side stand/motorcycle combination. This test procedure applies to any two-wheeled motorcycle without a sidecar, equipped with a side stand, and intended for highway use. (See SAE J213.) This SAE Recommended Practice is intended as a guide toward standard practice but may be subject to frequent change to keep pace with experience and technical advances. This should be kept in mind when considering the use of this document.
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Court
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:17 am: |
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Actually . . . . it's a good question. I've got books here on everything from what controls have to go where, how they operate. how M.P.H. must be abbreviated and how to conduct the five brake fade tests . . . . but side stands don't appear to be mentioned. I had to ask. |
Firebolt32
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:20 am: |
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Because you couldn't use a tank bag if they were on top moron! Speaking of training wheels, have you ever seen that geezer pull up to a stop light on the really nice dresser? Just as he is coming to a stop, hits a button, and a set of training wheels come out from under the bags. Terrible... |
Spiderman
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:31 am: |
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and a set of training wheels come out from under the bags. Terrible... Yeah that is horrible! I mean really why should a handicap, disabled person who can't fully use there leg(s) enjoy riding a motorcycle. I mean really just sit at home and waste away slowly!
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Babired
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 09:45 am: |
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I love all of your answers! I was baffled when a student asked it. If you all don't mind I'm going to print this and take it to the class tonight. Simple things we don't think about after riding so may miles! Oh yeah anybody else have something please post it. K (Message edited by babired on March 27, 2009) |
Court
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:03 am: |
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Here. . . if you want something interesting to print and take to class. I may have an answer for your sidestand question, if I do I'll e-mail it.
quote:[Code of Federal Regulations] [Title 49, Volume 5] [Revised as of October 1, 2001] From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access [CITE: 49CFR571.123] [Page 404-407] TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION CHAPTER V--NATIONAL HIGHWAY TRAFFIC SAFETY ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PART 571--FEDERAL MOTOR VEHICLE SAFETY STANDARDS--Table of Contents Subpart B--Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards Sec. 571.123 Standard No. 123; Motorcycle controls and displays. S1. Scope. This standard specifies requirements for the location, operation, identification, and illumination of motorcycle controls and displays, and requirements for motorcycle stands and footrests. S2. Purpose. The purpose of this standard is to minimize accidents caused by operator error in responding to the motoring environment, by standardizing certain motorcycle controls and displays. S3. Application. This standard applies to motorcycles equipped with handlebars, except for motorcycles that are designed, and sold exclusively for use by law enforcement agencies. S4. Definitions. Clockwise and counterclockwise mean opposing directions of rotation around the following axes, as applicable. (a) The operational axis of the ignition control, viewed from in front of the ignition lock opening; (b) The axis of the right handlebar on which the twist-grip throttle is located, viewed from the end of that handlebar; (c) The axis perpendicular to the center of the speedometer, viewed from the operator's normal eye position. S5. Requirements. S5.1. Each motorcycle shall be equipped with a supplemental engine stop control, located and operable as specified in Table 1. S5.2 Each motorcycle to which this standard applies shall meet the following requirements: S5.2.1 Control location and operation. If any item of equipment listed in Table 1, Column 1, is provided, the control for such item shall be located as specified in Column 2, and operable as specified in Column 3. Each control located on a right handlebar shall be operable by the operator's right hand throughout its full range without removal of the operator's right hand from the throttle. Each control located on a left handlebar shall be operable by the operator's left hand throughout its [[Page 405]] full range without removal of the operator's left hand from the handgrip. If a motorcycle with an automatic clutch is equipped with a supplemental rear brake control, the control shall be located on the left handlebar. If a motorcycle is equipped with self-proportioning or antilock braking devices utilizing a single control for front and rear brakes, the control shall be located and operable in the same manner as a rear brake control. S5.2.2 Display illumination and operation. If an item of equipment listed in Table 2, Column 1, is provided, the display for such item shall be visible to a seated operator under daylight conditions, shall illuminate as specified in Column 2, and shall operate as specified in Column 3. S5.2.3 Control and display identification. If an item of equipment in Table 3, Column 1, is provided, the item and its operational function shall be identified by: (a) A symbol substantially in the form shown in Column 3; or (b) Wording shown in both Column 2 and Column 4; or (c) A symbol substantially in the form shown in Column 3 and wording shown in both Column 2 and Column 4. (d) The abbreviations ``M.P.H.'', ``km/h'', ``r/min'', ``Hi'', ``Lo'', ``L'', ``R'', and ``Res'' appearing in Column 2 and Column 4 may be spelled in full. Symbols and words may be provided for equipment items where none are shown in Column 2, Column 3, and Column 4. Any identification provided shall be placed on or adjacent to the control or display position, and shall appear upright to the operator. S5.2.4 Stands. A stand shall fold rearward and upward if it contacts the ground when the motorcycle is moving forward. S5.2.5 Footrests. Footrests shall be provided for each designated seating position. Each footrests for a passenger other than an operator shall fold rearward and upward when not in use. Table 1--Motorcycle Control Location and Operation Requirements -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------ Equipment control--Column 1 Location--Column 2 Operation--Column 3 -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------ 1. Manual clutch or integrated clutch Left handlebar.............. Squeeze to disengage clutch. and gear change. 2. Foot operated gear change............ Left foot control........... An upward motion of the operator's toe shifts transmission toward lower numerical gear ratios (commonly referred to as ``higher gears''), and a downward motion toward higher numerical gear ratios (commonly referred to as ``lower gears''). If three or more gears are provided it shall not be possible to shift from the highest gear directly to the lowest gear, or vice versa. 3. Headlamp upper-lower beam control.... Left handlebar.............. Up for upper beam, down for lower beam. If combined with the headlight on-off switch, means shall be provided to prevent inadvertent actuation of the ``off'' function. 4. Horn................................. ......do.................... Push to activate. 5. Turn signal lamps.................... Handlebars.................. 6. Ignition............................. ............................ ``Off''--counterclockwise from other positions. 7. Manual fuel shutoff control.......... ............................ Rotate to operate. ``On'' and ``Off'' are separated by 90 degrees of rotation. ``Off'' and ``Reserve'' (if provided) are separated by 90 degrees of rotation. Sequence order: ``On''-- ``Off''--``Reserve''. 8. Twist-grip throttle.................. Right handlebar............. Self-closing to idle in a clockwise direction after release of hand. 9. Supplemental engine stop............. ......do.................... 10. Front wheel brake................... ......do.................... Squeeze to engage. 11. Rear wheel brakes................... Right foot control\1\....... Depress to engage. Left handlebar permissible for motor-driven cycles. -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------ \1\ See S5.2.1 for requirements for vehicles with a single control for front and rear brakes, and with a supplemental rear brake control. Table 2--Motorcycle Display Illumination and Operation Requirements -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------ Display--Column 1 Illumination--Column 2 Operation--Column 3 -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------ 1. Speedometer......................... Yes............................ The display is illuminated whenever the headlamp is activated. [[Page 406]] 2. Neutral indication.................. Green display lamp............. The display lamp illuminates when the gear selector is in neutral position. -------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------- ------------ [GRAPHIC] [TIFF OMITTED] TR24SE98.035 [[Page 407]] [37 FR 7207, Apr. 12, 1972, as amended at 37 FR 17475, Aug. 29, 1972; 39 FR 32915, Sept. 12, 1974; 48 FR 42819, Sept. 20, 1983; 49 FR 35381, Sept. 7, 1984; 49 FR 35504, Sept. 10, 1984; 56 FR 61387, Dec. 3, 1991; 63 FR 28933, May 27, 1998; 63 FR 51001, Sept. 24, 1998]
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Babired
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:30 am: |
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Thanks Court! I knew I could count on all of you guys to come up with something, zany non zany keep it coming K |
Gowindward
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:34 am: |
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Interesting! I think it's natural for a right handed person. I think about how I mount a bicycle that doesn't even have a side stand I typically mount on the left. Kind of same thing along the horse line. Does a horse really care??? or is it because that is what was most natural for a right handed person to mount from the left. |
Jramsey
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:37 am: |
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Forget the stand just lean it up against a tree. |
Crackhead
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:43 am: |
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all of you short people mount from the left. the salesman freaked out when i mounted uly X from the right and was almost flat footed. What i don't understand is the front brake for a bicycle is on the left but for a motorcycle it is on the right. |
Ducbsa
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:48 am: |
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Some bikes also had 'em on the right side. In fact you can buy one here http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/One-Vincent-Prop-St and-F24%2F2R-_W0QQitemZ110368051511QQcmdZViewItemQ QimsxZ20090324?IMSfp=TL0903241210001r38853 |
Greenlantern
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:00 am: |
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What i don't understand is the front brake for a bicycle is on the left but for a motorcycle it is on the right. Because the throttle on a bicycle is where the rear brake should be. |
Tod662
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:08 am: |
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I'm with limetedx1 motorbicycles just followed their human powered predecessor's president of right side drive, left side stand... unless there is another explanation(Did bicycles have kickstands, was right side chaindrive the rule?). |
Limitedx1
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:24 am: |
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does everyone mount their biek from the shifter side? ever tried to push your bike while standing on the brake pedal side.....weird! i cant push my dirt bike or street bike from the brake side, i MUST be on the shifter side to move anything with control |
Nillaice
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:25 am: |
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i swapped cables on my bike to match the motorcycle... don't want habbits to carry over. |
Sleez
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:31 am: |
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i have always changed my bicycle brakes to front on the right! |
Citified
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:35 am: |
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it has every thing to do with horses, even foot control placement. western saddles have forward mounted stirrups, so american bikes had forward controls. European saddles have mid mounted stirrups, hence mid controls on old euro bikes. |
Citified
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:36 am: |
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I was ust informed that it is english saddle not european saddle |
Cityxslicker
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 01:08 pm: |
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Hell I thought it was to keep the tranny oiled when you leaned it over, so at least you had a fair start at getting everything goin again. You know back in the day when the moved from the rear mount wheel stand to the side kick... say circa 1920's could just be an old wives tale like green bikes are bad luck. |
Shupe
| Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 03:12 pm: |
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Ever seen a H-D Sprint (Aermacci)? Kicker on left, stand on right.
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