| Author | Message | ||
     Brumbear |
this guy has UEBER balls listen to the aftercoments | ||
| Brumbear |
oops http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nzq2GorVH4 | ||
| Bads1 |
Spatten find me where Rainey says its boring??? The series is struggling because of Economy and what it costs to run the teams. Same problem going on in all form's of racing right now. BTW It looks like you have been watching this sport no longer then I. Its your opinion of the racing. Opinions can change racing. You have a big job to do.... get to work. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
By the way, Rainey also said MotoGP is boring and his reasoning was that a fan can look at the race and say "I could do that". GREAT article. And I believe (IIRC) that Rainey was referring to racers in the support classes, looking at the current premier class and saying "I could do that." He was contrasting the old days when really NO ONE wanted to ride the 500s, even the guys that were supposed to ride them. There was a quote about guys getting chills when the 500s were warming up in the paddock. Yes, the 500s were special. The 800s will never live up to the mystic of the 500s no matter how many millions of dollars they spend on 'em. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
not one of you here could run a hot lap on any of those bikes. 500's, 990's nor the 800's. Boring or not, it takes huge balls and huge talent to ride these bikes. I just love motorcycle racing from GP down to my lowly 12R CCS race bike. | ||
| Bads1 |
Sure he would say that about his hayday and so would I about years gone by comparing thing from today to yesterday. That what we all do. In twenty years we'll be looking at these bikes and missing them and remembering them as the electric bikes go by us with no sound at all. | ||
| Bads1 |
Well said Rocco!!! | ||
| Bads1 |
I just find it hard to believe that Wayne Rainey sitting in a wheel chair call's this racing boring. I guess if I was in a wheel chair from a career ending accident at its peak. I would be saying " Boy I wish that stuff was around for me back in the day.... maybe I'd be still be walking". (Message edited by bads1 on February 08, 2009) | ||
| Spatten1 |
Thanks Fresno, that is the article I was referring to. BadS1, it is a good article, trying to explain why MotoGP is losing viewership in droves while WSBK picks them up. Great article, and it really made me feel like they were witnessing the same thing as me. Rainey describes how you pretty much know who is going to win each race. He said it was better for the fans when you had many riders vying for first place. I believe that he does blame the freight train races on current technology and rules. I left the mag on a plane last week, so I can't quote it. Fresno, can you help to see if I'm remembering it correctly? I'm happy to admit it if I remember it incorrectly. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I think the fact that the starting grid is so small has a lot to do with MotoGP losing viewers. That has a lot to do with the crappy economy. Will be even worse this year with KAWI pulling the plug | ||
| Bads1 |
I do believe though that the racing could be more affordable for the factory teams if some corners are cut here and there. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Rocket and BadS1, The diminished grids were also stated as one of the issues, and expenses from the technology was considered a factor. | ||
| Brumbear |
would dropping the displacement and limiting technology help or hurt at this point I really don't know anymore I feel in someways it helps IE allowing for cheaper participation but it also would cease being a proving ground if you will for tech that trickles down to factory bikes IE suspension and tire improvements I don't know | ||
| Spatten1 |
I think dropping the displacement from 1000 to 800 was what allowed the riders to enter and exit turns like 250s. More power with less electronics would be helpful. Less displacement would make it less interesting than WSBK. Didn't they ban traction control in F1 cars for that reason? | ||
| Bads1 |
More power with less electronics would be helpful These bike are 240 hp plus. More power less Electronics would make these bikes unrideable without them. Spatten it seems you like to see the crashes. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I don't like crashes, I just hate watching parades instead of races. Read the Cycle World article, and you will understand my perspective better. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I also can't stand 125/250 style racing in the premier class. I think watching guys enter and exit the turns with full traction on both tires is boring as hell. The MotoGP 1000cc races were much better. I don't know if it was because the electronics were less sophisticated or the bikes were heavier, or something else, but I know they were way more interesting than watching these 800cc races. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
they should plow the infield and run em with knobbies. traction control :P | ||
| Skinstains |
The 2-smokes were the bee's knees. It was the premier class that everyone knew would never trickle down to 500cc street bikes. (I know we have had a few so back off)I get bored watching these 800cc bikes and much prefer the 500's or 990's but it is what it is. I like real roads racing my self and you never get to see that on TV. Bottom line...The whole world is going the way of safety first, There's even a motorcycle race team that goes by the name "Safety First Racing" WTF ??? Motorcycles are dangerous and racing them at any level is dangerous. If you don't want to risk life and limb put on your hockey gear and hide under the bed. I'm not into blood sport either I am a contributer to The Roadracing World Action Fund but the line has to be drawn some where and I hope the pendulum swings back a bit before that line is drawn. Perhaps I'm showing my age a bit here but I remember looking up to racers because they had skill but not skill alone. They had balls. Not saying that the Moto-GP boys don't but they aint running by any armco or telephone poles. That fear just might make the fastest guy come in third or seventh. Depending on if he could swallow that lump in his throat or not. These are only my opinions and I expect them to be different than most. | ||
| Danger_dave |
Just playing the Kevin Schwantz tape from yesterday. His message to improve Moto GP. 'Bring back the 500's' | ||
| Fresnobuell |
These bike are 240 hp plus. More power less Electronics would make these bikes unrideable without them. That's a crock. People could ride them. However, they would have to RIDE them, not pin the throttle back and let the electronics do the work. } | ||
| Fresnobuell |
not one of you here could run a hot lap on any of those bikes. 500's, 990's nor the 800's. I don't recall anyone making this claim. | ||
| Danger_dave |
I could put in a solid A grade if they gave me one for each cheek. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I just find it hard to believe that Wayne Rainey sitting in a wheel chair call's this racing boring. Rainey never actually says the word "boring," but he certainly implies it STRONGLY. So much that Cycle World author writes "Rainey doesn't mean to sound like a curmudgeon when he make the point the excitement level simple isn't there." | ||
| Eboos |
If it doesn't take much skill to ride one of these, how come Marco Melandri wasn't able to succeed with basicly the same bike as Stoner? How come Edwards has not done better then 2nd? The total domination by just a few riders is what made MotoGP "boring", but it's because of there tremendious skill, not lack of. Motorcycle racing is dangerous, but if you can prevent the types of injuries that Gary McCoy, Mick Doohan, and Wayne Rainey had, why not do so. Bikes should be made easier to ride, but that does not make they "easy" to ride. | ||
| Spatten1 |
These bike are 240 hp plus. More power less Electronics would make these bikes unrideable without them. Well, club racers are on 180 horsepower bikes with no traction control and lesser tires. I'd like to think Rossi and Hayden can handle a bit more. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Rainey never actually says the word "boring," but he certainly implies it STRONGLY. So much that Cycle World author writes "Rainey doesn't mean to sound like a curmudgeon when he make the point the excitement level simple isn't there." Fresno, Thanks for the clarification, like I said, my mag was left in the seatback of a United flight last week. | ||
| Spatten1 |
If it doesn't take much skill to ride one of these, how come Marco Melandri wasn't able to succeed with basicly the same bike as Stoner? How come Edwards has not done better then 2nd? I don't think anyone believes it doesn't take skill, it just lacks excitement. Before traction control and fuel quantity limits different styles of riding could be used competitively and it was exciting to see riders manhandle the bikes and ride totally different lines. Now, there is basically one fast way around the track and the tires are hooked up and in line 95% of the time. It still takes skill, but it's just not so interesting to watch. Just like the F1 cars with traction control. Nobody questioned the skill involved, just whether it was worth watching the races anymore. | ||
| Eboos |
Club racers' laptimes also suck in comparison to the laptimes of even the top AMA guys who are running some form of traction control. Laguna Seca would be a great example. What are the top lap times for MotoGP last year? What were the top AMA Superbike laptimes? What were the laptimes for a CCS or even ASRA race? | ||
| Spatten1 |
I have no doubt that lap times and corner speed will decline if traction control is pulled. That's OK. I like competition and talent, not necessarily the highest corner speeds and lowest lap times. Hell, 600s have been some of the most exciting AMA races for many years. Just think if all of the top riders were involved! To me, max speed does not make interesting racing. I prefer seeing individual styles and different lines, and close competition. I like to see the racer's personality come out in his body English with the bike, which is disappearing. When the engine can overpower the tires, I think the rider shows his skill and personality best through the lines and passes. |
