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Johnc
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am planning to replace the front engine mount on my 2000 M2 with one that has no support for the air box. I am looking at 3 choices. The Buell X1 mount, the S&S mount, or a billet mount that a vendor has been selling on e-bay. Does anyone have any experience with the last 2?
S&S
e-bay
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Bartimus
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the mount in that bottom pic just doesn't look like there's enough beef to it. the top one looks good enough though, is that the S&S mount? I've heard they work well.
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Johnc
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah I think that the second one looks a little wimpy too. The guy who makes them says they are
"Machined from 6061-t6 billet Aluminum. Much stronger yet lighter than the die cast stock mount." The S&S one is very expensive so I may just got with the Buell X1 mount.
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Tdshepard
Posted on Sunday, January 11, 2004 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

what is wrong with cutting off the air cleaner support ear and smoothing it off? A 10 minute job.....
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Captainkirk
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 12:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...and if you feel REAL ambitious you can remove it, smooth it and all the casting flash and polish it with Flitz and reinstall in less than an hour...
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 01:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nallin makes these now. They look a whole lot stronger than these do. Nicer finish work too. Theirs can also be installed without removing the tank and isolator as they have provided clearance for the bolt to go in from the bottom.

The mount is all the way at the bottom of the page...

http://www.nallinracing.com/headworkbuell.shtml
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Bluzm2
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hoot,
I'm not sure if the Nallin unit is for stock heads. I think they are XB heads only.
I could be wrong, I'll bet Aaron will set things straight : )

Brad
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Hootowl
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They make a mount for both XL and XB heads.
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Aaron
Posted on Monday, January 12, 2004 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hoot, thanks for the plug ; ) And you're right, I make XL mounts as well, but they're on hold at the moment. Basically, after I came up with these things last summer/fall, I did a whole bunch of work on the XB mount to refine and perfect and improve it, and I need to roll those changes into the XL mount as well, and I just haven't got a round tuit. Give me 60 days and I'll have'em available again. XB versions are readily available, operators are standing by.

I have one of those S&S mounts I'll sell cheap (a relative term) if someone wants it. It's never been on a bike, but it's been handled and measured on heavily. They list for $321, I'll let it go for $200. It's a fine mount, S&S makes good stuff.
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Seeeu911
Posted on Tuesday, January 13, 2004 - 08:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ah dunno that second piece is the same desig as the factory mount, and if it is "Machined from 6061-t6 billet Aluminum. Much stronger yet lighter than the die cast stock mount." a fine piece for a stock bike.
Why would you need a super heavy duty front mount ? racing or stunting ? IMHO you have to keep ballance in materials and components. remove or add stress and other finite materials analysis factors become more evident.

that being said.. Aaron.. will you take $150 for the S&S piece ? : )
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Notyouravgbuell
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

To play the devils advocate here, The whimpy looking 6061 machined mount on ebay may have something going for it. It may be stronger than die-cast, but it surely is more flexible. Now if you had a long ridgid bar and were levering on something vs a flexible lever, more energy gets transferred to the thing being levered by the ridgid bar vs. the flexible one as energy is absorbed by the flexible lever (actually stored energy but released by the next shake in our case.
fishing poles are flexible for some reason- serves to keep the hook from ripping/line breaking when the two energies(fish and man) disagree?
I see these Buells broke only two ways- Bolts broken and Cast Heads broken. The original buell design only allows for vertical plane vibration control. Maybe someone should tell that to the great shaker rumbling beneath them.
Torque reaction on acceleration causes the mount to be compressed- no chance of breaking even that mount that way- not sure you could use compression/downshifting hard enough to stretch it apart and the rest of the time/ it make act as a flexible bridge over troubled waters. Maybe the rubber should be closer to the vibration instead of exagerating it through a long arm(mount). lastly two words a Buell rider needs to hear but never fear- Norton Commando- the original flexible flyer. Regards
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Road_thing
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

commando_thing

You rang???

r-t
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 06:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tom, you keep showing that thing off and I WILL come steal it. Is there a trick to starting it? I don't want to wake you or Mrs Thing up in the middle of the night you know...

Jeff
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Hootowl
Posted on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Aaron,

Will this help??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2979499918&category=1468
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Notyouravgbuell
Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2004 - 06:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nice Norton. I sold mine in 2001 after 20years of believing it to be bike of the year- i think it was in 69 and 70 according to cycle or cycle world. Another thought on flexible vs. rigid is all those old choppers that were held together with bailing wire and duct tape-- why - the bolts broke. Actually thats really meant to make everyone grin- the answer isn't in the hardware isle at the supermarket. although the cooler is calling my name.
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