| Author | Message | ||
     Aesquire |
I am (shudder) a professional driver. The hardest part of my job is to not get road rage. I get cut off in traffic 4 out of 5 days, easy. The jerk "might" be on meds, just lost his job/girl/boy/mind, and actually not be in full control. Most times I am sure they did not even see me, or just made an error. ( I know they would never see me in my M2, they didn't see me in a Grumman, or they just don't pay attention) When the deal is really road rage, & I've seen that too, you, in a sports car, are a fragile vase. On a bike, you are more vulnerable than a Christmas tree ornament. Kung fu or .45, does you no damn good while riding. Do not toss marbles, the nut will run you down, or a witness will see you & YOU will be prosecuted, not the guy trying to kill you. Every time you let some a$$hole punch your button & drop you out of normal mode into being an overreacting a$$hole, you lose, and the odds are FAR better you go to jail than him. So if you get into the above situation. 1) back off, break eye contact , take a deep breath & center. Stop in a safe place where wife beater can't easily run you down. Decide to call police or not.( a whole separate discussion) Then call or just unwind a few. DO NOT get in front of a maniac with a pickup. 2) if you HAVE to, (you backed off & parked behind a guard rail, are having a smoke and the truck comes back & the maniac is trying actively to kill you) shoot, toss, kick, or bite to kill. NEVER try to wound someone, ever, they will sue you & you will lose everything you own. Hope for a sympathetic jury. You might get one if you can claim self defense in a grand jury homicide investigation, you won't get one if a limping, upstanding family man pillar of the community sits in front of them & lies though his teeth about being attacked by evil Biker trash. Bet on it. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
Fullpower, not everywhere is carry friendly. Cali is notorious for being antsy about guns in cars. If you don't have a carry permit, which not all states are ready to issue as easy as others, what he laid out is EXACTLY how you have to carry to keep from getting a felony concealed weapons charge. | ||
| V2win |
I probably should not tell about this experience, but here goes anyway. It happened back in 1978 or 79. I was on my way into St. Louis for work, riding the bike with my wife on the back. Heading north on I270 with lots of traffic, I was in the "fast' lane, when I noticed the car on my right was getting a little too close to me. I looked over to see a 40ish male with a suit/tie on looking at me with a weird smirk on his face. All at once he just pulled over and forced me off the pavement. This was no accident. This guy ment to do it. Well after I regained control of the bike, and was back on the road, I got pissed. I mean really pissed. Sure, I was pissed because of what he did, but more than that, I was enraged because of what could have happed to my wife. Thats all I could think of. She could have been killed. Me too, but that did not enter my mind, just that this ass had run us off the road and she could have been harmed. I could not think of anything bad enough to do th this ass. I just cranked it up and caught up with him about a mile down the road where I70 and 270 meet. The traffic had come to a halt because of the traffic and I had the SOB where he could not get away. I could not think of anything by then except getting my hands on him. I pulled up and got off the bike, screaming, yelling, and kicking on his door. He had the windows up and the doors locked. I was like a crazed man. I kick both mirrors off the car. I leaped up on the hood, jumping up and down. I then tried to kick in the windshield but to no avail. I then jumped off the car and back to the drivers door, trying to kick the glass out. No good. If I had been thinking, I could have used my helmet to brake it out, but thats just it. I was not thinking. This prick had tried to kill my wife and I wanted him. Well after awhile, of my bouncing all over the car and screaming for this guy to get out so I could pull his head off, I slowing began to "come down". I then just walked away. Got on my bike and left, with him still sitting there, caught in the traffic, unable to move. I expected to be faced with the police at my place to arrest me later but I never heard from anyone about it. If I had been packing a gun, that SOB would have been dead and I would still be in prison or worse now. I was stupid for doing what I did. I knew it as soon as I was able to think correctly but the deed had been done. I wish I had been able to just "walk away", but I did not. I still think about it, even after, 25 years has passed. I was lucky. I was lucky the prick did not have a gun. I was lucky, I was able to keep the bike up. I was lucky, some other motorist didnt come to his rescue while I trashed his car, trying to get inside. I was lucky I did not get caught by the police. Would I do it today. I think not. I am older and wiser and I hope I would be able to handle the situation better. | ||
| Buckinfubba |
well like a few have said, why not just rmove yourself from the situation. I woulda pulled out of it after the first time. He pulled out in front of you and didn't pass anybody. That woulda been my clue. sometimes motrcyclist do kill themselves. Prodding on the situation or staying in it is your own doing. What if on the 3rd time he'd got your front tire and sent you flying. as I recall you said something about a gaurdrail being near. thank god it was only near and not connecting with you. carring a gun, give me a break what the flying f^&k would that of helped. Christ carring your gun riding your motorcycle like a friggin cowboy waiting to shoot the bad guy at the OK corral. I'll just stop because this is so friggin laughable. Be a man and do the smart thing and avoid confrontation. It is our instinct to fight and kill. It is also Our instinct to to F&*K and leave , well for those of you that are married and have kids, why don't you just leave that is our instinct. just populate and spread seed. Be smart and remove yourself from the situation. Thats what we have our brains for. I am not pointing fingers at anybody. Just a little commentary, on how the situation coulda been handled. | ||
| Chainsaw |
V2win: Look at it this way: That guy probably never screwed with another biker again. He learned that we can all become dangerous maniacs when our lives have been put at risk. You may have saved the life of a less skilled rider somewhere down the road.  | ||
| Chainsaw |
Carrying gives you both options in a life or death situation. Carrying evens the playing field when confronted by greater numbers. Carrying doesn't mean I'm looking to shoot someone, no more than wearing a bullet proof vest means you want to get shot. Removal from the situation is the best rule of thumb. The motorist mat not be playing by the same set of rules though. I have been coast to coast solo on a Harley. There are a lot of lonely, empty stretches of road in this country where anything can happen and the cops are a long, long, way away, and cell phone service non-existant. I prefer to be prepared. | ||
| M1combat |
Thank you Chainsaw... That's exactly why I'll start carrying my .40 HK USP. Brian.. I'll assume that you really didn't mean that the way it came out. You are an American Citizen... You ought to understand the reason to carry. It has been proven time and time again in courts that the role of the police is NOT to protect you. I haven't looked into it myself, but I have heard that some of the precincts in LA have completely removed all references to "protect" and serve. Most are just there to serve now. This happened because too many people were suing the officers because they weren't "protected". It's my right, privilege and responsibility to protect myself. It's also my responsibility to be DAMN SURE that I needed to protect myself. | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Personally, I just think there are way toooo many guns out there these days. Thank God I am lucky enough to live in a place: where there as many as two murders per year and those are only caused by heated arguments similar to the road rage incident above. where you can still leave your doors open at night if you wanted where you feel safe about parking your bike anywhere anytime knowing it will be there when you get back where I feel safe to walk anywhere in the city I live, anytime of the night of day or anywhere on this island for that matter. Imagine - ALL THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO CARRY A GUN!!!!!! Just too many guns in this world. | ||
| Nevco1 |
To set the record straight, I am a strong advocate of licensed concealed carry and am active in getting a concealed carry law passed in Wisconsin. However, having carried concealed and later learning the legal ramifications of self defense, I have chosen to avoid unnecessary confrontation. Life is a roller coaster for all of us. At my age and position in life, it is too late for me to start over and losing my assets and freedoms in court over a firearms incident is down right ludicrous. Carrying concealed or open, with or without a permit is something that you should think long and hard about. Even with a concealed carry license and what appears to be a legal shooting can land you in deep yogurt. Additionally, if you choose to carry open without a license, make sure you check all state and local laws for the areas you intend to do this. You may find that even an open carry is considered brandishing and will land you in deep yogurt as well. Please do not think of this as a lecture. It is just the experience of an old fart that has been there and done that. The only intent is that you research the issue and make an informed decision. There is absolutely no reason why you should repeat the tragic mistakes of others. Thank you for your understanding. | ||
| Nevco1 |
Newfie...Sounds like Heaven to me. Too bad we can't all live there. Then again, considering the pics you posted last winter, I don't think many of us could survive. LOL Incidentally, it isn't guns or any other object, it is people that are the problem. No debate intended, I simply wish that both families and the system(s) worked together in harmony to improve mankind. The way it bas been going, I feel sorry for future generations. | ||
| Dasxb9s |
Here is something to consider. Is it that there are too many guns... knives... clubs... blunt objects... vehicles used to assault... etc...etc...??? Or are there too many people that have no respect for human life or others in general... no respect for individuals... no effort to conform to acceptable behavior? People have been assaulted and killed for thousands of years before guns were invented... it is not the object... but the intent of a person that makes things dangerous. I have been in law enforcement for about 27 years. I have seen the United States go from not having to lock doors... to the things we have read on this thread. The problem is not objects or weapons (so many things can be used for weapons... that are not weapons... but innocent items)... it is our society. I will sadly predict... that in your life time you will see this change in your life too... It is sad... and I fear for my child... and for his children. I have seen too many victims... to many sociopaths... and I am ready to retire and get away from the daily contact... with what has too often been the worst of the worst... it has changed my life! The guy that kidnapped a little girl.. raped her & strangled her... and how he made fun of the sounds she made when he killed her to taunt the other inmates and guards. Or the serial killer who kidnapped, raped and killed... and before getting caught... he went on a service call (he was a plumber)... killed an old woman with a hammer... because of some disagreement over what work needed to be done... then took a hooker back to her house to party. Then trying to manipulate the system... confessed to a kidnapping & murder to change his life sentence from a state prison into federal prison. After doing so... he learned he now faced... and got the death penalty... and HE then portrayed himself as the victim. Then there were the columbian drug dealers that ripped off the locals... duct taped their nose and mouths... letting them suffocate... then claiming they did not kill then... they just died because they could not breath... really surprised they were convicted of murder. None showed any remorse... the child killer was proud of his actions and the media attention he received. They all got the death penalty... but that did not bring back their victims... or reconstruct the families affected. I must differ with you... it is not the weapon... it is the wrong in too many peoples hearts now-a-days! | ||
| Polekat |
Like bullies in a school yard, drivers that insist on playing games that could injure a motorcyclist, will not stop until they are given some reason to. Doing nothing is encouraging a continuation of the act. | ||
| Bradj |
Thank God I am lucky enough to live in a place: where there as many as two murders per year and those are only caused by heated arguments similar to the road rage incident above. where you can still leave your doors open at night if you wanted where you feel safe about parking your bike anywhere anytime knowing it will be there when you get back where I feel safe to walk anywhere in the city I live, anytime of the night of day or anywhere on this island for that matter. Imagine - ALL THIS WITHOUT HAVING TO CARRY A GUN!!!!!! Sounds like a description of where I live... we are just fortunate to live where the values of generally decent and honest people prevail ...the presence or absence of guns has nothing to do with that.  | ||
| M1combat |
I don't want to kill anyone. Even if they are coming at me with a knife... Jiu-Jitsu isn't about "beating" someone to death or submission. It's known as "The Gentle Art". Granted, it's the gentle art of defending yourself and the techniques can go a long way or all the way towards that end, but it got it's name from the choices you have while using it. Your opponent doesn't even need to get a bruise or any impact what so ever... It's really about blocking the coratted arteries. Four to five seconds later the subject is sleeping like a baby and is absolutely no threat to you and you haven't hurt him. He'll be a little ego bruised when he wakes up, but not hurt. There are chokes (artery, not throat) that don't even require the use of your upper body. I'm not saying this to plug the form of martial art that I practice, but to say that a gun would enter my mind only after someone had made it very obvious that they are going to shoot me. If it gets to that point, I don't think anyone on this board wouldn't be wishing/praying/hoping they had a gun. I will also pray that I never need to use it. I don't want to hurt anyone, I don't think there are many people who really do (I've often been told I give the benefit of the doubt too readily though). I figure I just better be prepared to do whatever I need to do to get home to my family. Just FYI... The people around here are generally great people. It's a small city up in the norther Arizona mountains and it's really quite beautiful up here. I was raised in Alaska though so I guess it's not quite THAT nice but it is pretty . At any rate, it's got it's share of assholes to, but they are pretty few and far between. I would hate for one of those assholes to have a gun when I needed one though. | ||
| Dasxb9s |
One must remember a bit of advise that is given to emphasize the importance of being prepared... being able to match force with force... having the upper hand in a fight... and knowing when to make a tactical retreat. "Never take a knife to a gunfight!" adding to this... art imitates life. In the movie Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid... there is a scene with a knife fight. Butch is challenged by one of his gang for leadership... Butch delays the fight by asking, "First we have to set the rules for this fight." The challenger relaxes and responds, "Why Butch... you know there are no rules in a knife fight!. Butch kicks the guy in the sack... and beats him down. Martial Arts are based on rules... respect... and disipline. Real fights do not recognize any of this... there is a saying, "If you are not cheating... you are not fighting!" A skilled street fighter is threat to a skilled martial artist... watch the tough man knock out fights... they are NASTY! Skill and discipline are best balanced with judgement and discretion. In 27 years of Law Enforcement the BEST advice I ever received was very simple. DO NOT GET INTO ANYTHING YOU CAN"T GET OUT OF BY YOURSELF! edited by dasxb9s on December 27, 2003 | ||
| Krassh |
I had an interesting confrontation with another rider. It was while I traveling through Highway 2 (Angeles Crest) here in Southern California. I was minding my own business when I came upon a rider on a new harley. Now I have an Electra Glide as well as my Buell and a GTS1000 so I am not bashing as particular type of rider. I was on the GTS at the time. Well the guy on the Harley was not only taking up the entire lane, but half of the on-coming lane as well while negotiating corners. I was just admiring how much of a dumbass this guy is and kept my distance, as I did not want to get hit by flying bike parts when this idiot got clipped. Well unfortunately no one hit him. Well if anyone is familar with this road there are very few passing areas. So when I finally came upon one I decided it was time to pass and put this lunacy behind me. Well as I was passing the "gentleman" he decided to take up both passing lanes. Now this passing area was entirely for the traffic on my side of the road so there is no oncoming traffic when passing. You know dashed white lines. Well he decided to take these up while trying to get his bike going around the corner faster than it was capable of by staying in one lane. So we almost collide. Now this imbecile is mad at me because I almost hit him. I was in my passing lane the entire time while he occupied two of them. Now looking back I should have realized this moron was just that a moron and pulled over for a good 10 to 15 minutes to let him get far away. Well needless to say it was starting to mist and the roads were very slick so I was taking the corners slowly and he actually caught up with me. This lunatic actually pulled in front of me slammed on his brakes and tried to run me off the road. Luckily my GTS is equipped with antilock brakes so I was able to stop very quickly and well behind him and his hog. Well he got ready to get off his bike and come back to where I was stopped. Now this is a remote mountain area where 100 foot drop offs are the norm so I was not keen on waiting around to see if he had a concealed weapon and the need of seeing my body at the bottom of one of these cliffs. So needless to say will he was busy putting his kickstand down and getting off his bike, I took off like a bat out of hell and continued doing a 120+ till I returned home. Except the corners of course, lucky for me this was near the end of the mountain route and only about 15 - 20 miles for my house. Now I am a firm believer in letting the dumbass people in life alone and back off from confrontation whenever possible. This could have ended badly if this moron was drunk and had a gun. It might have taken a year to find the body. Definitely not worth confrontation, and hopefully these people will do something stupid in the future that will end their own lives and no one elses. Of course if anyone has noticed the USA as a nation has laws in place that shelters stupid people and allows them to breed. Now the stupidest of them still find ways to kill themselves, but they usually breed first thus passing their moronic genes along. | ||
| M1combat |
"DO NOT GET INTO ANYTHING YOU CAN"T GET OUT OF BY YOURSELF!" That seems like good advice. I agree that a skilled street fighter is a threat to a skilled martial artist. It's always about surprise though, and what if the surprise is to tackle your opponent to the ground in a very controlled fashion so as to not lose either your balance or the control of the balance of the subject and then wrap them up? Keeping in mind that you are comfortable here and the subject is "like a fish out of water". Also, most of the good takedowns are reactions so you almost always gain the advantage right there by forcing the opponent to adapt to a situation where he isn't sure of the outcome. I used to practice with a few local police officers and they taught to the rest of the precinct. It's almost perfect for LE. Much more of a chess game than other forms. If you are playing a chess game and your opponent is throwing chess pieces all about the room who will win the chess game? By taking someone to the ground you force them to play a chess game that they haven't been practicing as opposed to let them play a chess game that you both have been practicing since you learned to walk. You have an interest in the tough man knock out fights. Have you ever watched a UFC? They are up to about #40 or so but see if you can find #4 or #10. Very high class fighters. The rules were no biting or eye-gouging as I recall. They didn't even have weight classes. In any case. I think it would take a lot of aggravation, threats, a gun and a trap to make me use a gun. But if I needed one and didn't have it... Maybe I was a cub-scout for too long. | ||
| M1combat |
Das - "Here is something to consider. Is it that there are too many guns... knives... clubs... blunt objects... vehicles used to assault... etc...etc...??? Or are there too many people that have no respect for human life or others in general... no respect for individuals... no effort to conform to acceptable behavior? People have been assaulted and killed for thousands of years before guns were invented... it is not the object... but the intent of a person that makes things dangerous. " I coudn't have said it better. | ||
| Budo |
I am a great fan of martial arts. I have trained in various systems for a number of years. I agree that ground fighting is very effective. The problem I have with deliberately taking someone to the ground is this. Their buddy or girlfriend or whoever will stick a knife in my back or kick me in the spine or whatever. When your are on the ground with someone you are vunerable to a second threat that you may not have been aware of. I have tried this out in the dojo. Try it yourself. Desinate someone as uki, and designate someone as the uki's friend. Take the guy to the ground and then instruct their 'friend' to attack you. I don't wanna be there. But, ground fighting is very effecitve. However, the most skilled martial arts guys have said that while a skilled knife fighter can be defeated that they might lose the use of a arm or leg in the process of defeating them. There is a pretty good tape, old now, Surviving a Edged Weapon Attack'. Worth a look if you can find it. As always, YMMV | ||
| Mikej |
"Surviving a Edged Weapon Attack" Some of the Cop Shops / Police Supply outfits sell this and similar tapes, but they may have local restrictions on who they sell certain items to. | ||
| Dasxb9s |
I totally agree with Budo... LE is trained to always be concerned with a second combatant... and when dealing with an armed individual, expecting a second weapon. The bottom line of that video... if it is the one I know of... is that if there is a subject within 21 feet with a knife... THEY ARE A REAL THREAT. The thing goes... within 21 feet... officer with gun in holster... the chances are it is going to be an extremely difficult race to win against the knife from a rapidly approaching attacker. In training sessions (rubber knife, unloaded gun), many officers lost the race, not able to even get one hammer fall before getting "cut". With the handgun out... it can still be a close race at 21 feet, if there is ANY hesitation. General rule... a knife attack... as soon as the suspect is within 21 feet... and advancing... if you want to go home... you had better stop him!!!! The tape covers this and a number of other tactics. Personally... I would rather face someone with a gun than a knife! I bet you can mail order the tape without much problem if you check around. I just looked around the office... and the one we had has disappeared, we had a big boss who took a lot of "souvenirs" when he left. I was hoping to provide the title, distributor and source. | ||
| Mikej |
All I could quickly find on the video: http://www.post.ca.gov/catalog/3307.htm Book with a similar subject matter: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0873644840/qid=1072722261/sr=1-6/r ef=sr_1_6/103-9404422-4736640?v=glance&s=books Rule number one for a knife fight, which is the same as for a gun fight: 1. Be somewhere else. 2. Rule two varies depending on the situational options and is never written in stone. | ||
| Eeeeek |
In a knife fight, there are those that drip and those that gush. In other words, the winner still gets cut. I've never heard Jiu-Jitsu refered to as the "gentle art." Maybe because my only experience with Jiu-Jitsu is the Brazialian form, which is debatelably not an art at all. | ||
| Eeeeek |
P.S. by saying it's not an art, I don't mean it's not effective. | ||
| Anonymous |
i once had a road rage incident that pushed me way over the edge. among many factors at the time were being on some prescription medication. the stuff made me very aggressive. can't remember what it was anymore. i didn't much care for that part of my life. i don't mean to use the meds as an excuse but i think they were a contributing factor. i was driving down a fairly clear freeway at night in a large vehicle. someone in a brand new car decided to change lanes in front of me. i am used to stupid drivers so i was going to be ok with just changing lanes and continuing. he wasn't of the same mind. he changed in front of me once more. every lane change i made trying to get around him resulted in him staying in front of me - constantly slowing down from 75 or so mph down to maybe 35 or 40 on the freeway. no hazard lights or turn signals. just every indication that he was trying to be a jerk. i gently drove up to his bumper and proceeded to push his brand new car to something north of 90 or 95 mph. when i backed off from his bumper he decided he could change lanes now and let me by. i'm not ok with the fact that i did that. i don't like being an asshole. that night i was just pushed to my limits.  i don't feel i should apologize to that jerk but i feel like i should apologize to myself. i did apologize to my passenger who finds this story far more entertaining than i do. some of the people that learned of this incident from my passenger actually praised my behavior. it seemed like they wished they could have done it. i still am not happy about it. the point here is simply this: PLEASE DON'T PLAY WITH PEOPLE. THERE IS ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO WILL GO FURTHER THAN YOU. IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME TILL YOU FIND THAT PERSON. THAT NIGHT I WAS THAT PERSON.} | ||
| Newfie_buell |
Back off and enjoy the scenery, If you pursue and push the person you man not be able to enjoy much of anything anymore!!!!!!! I did not mean to make it a 'too many guns' comment but should have been 'too much agression towards others' comment | ||
| M1combat |
Eeeek - Jiu-Jitsu is referred to as the gentle art because of your ability to completely and utterly destroy someone's skeleton w/o leaving a mark. It's not "actually" gentle ">, it's actually one of the most brutal forms. It was designed so that Samurai would still be effective on the battle field after breaking their weapon. There a stories that some Samurai would actually go into battle w/o weapons as they were MORE effective w/ Jiu-Jitsu alone. As an aside, Ju-Do is also known as the gentle sport. I believe both of these are literal translations but don't quote me on that. At any rate, the whole martial art discussion is going on somewhat of a tangent to my original thread topic. Here's my decision based in large part by what has been said here. I'll carry a gun. Concealed and well attached but easy for ME to get to. I'll carry my hands. I'll use neither unless for some reason I find myself with my back to a wall and NO way to escape. If the attacker doesn't SEEM to have a gun, I'll rely on Jiu-Jitsu. If he does and I see it, well, we'll see what happens but only one of us will survive. On the subject of the Brazilian kind... It's certainly an art IMHO and is the type that I have the most experience with (A little Ju-Do and a little "street fighting" mixed in as well as some Shotokan (No Katas though) and a little boxing). I'm pretty much a wuss when it comes to stand up fighting though. I once did a submission match with a former golden gloves boxer and I took four shots to the top of my head when I shot in but as soon as he lost his balance the fight was mine. I had a headache for about four hours ">. I also went against a black belt in Ai Kido but I had the huge advantage that we both started from our knees. That fight lasted about ten seconds. One time three police officers asked if they could test their pain compliance skills against one of us. Being the "oldest" white belt, I got the job. Three of them couldn't cuff me in three minutes and I tapped one of them after about five seconds. My Sensei came over after three minutes and cuffed me in about five seconds. Later I asked him when I gave them time to call for backup and he said "You didn't, but they needed it." I was talking so much crap to those officers too ">. I was really enjoying myself. OK, sorry, that last paragraph was mostly Ego... My bad ">. edited by m1combat on December 29, 2003 | ||
| Budo |
A LE buddy of mine says that there are two kinds of suspects, those that allow themselves to be cuffed, and those that do not. I may be mistaken but I thought the unarmed or 'empty hand' martial arts got their start because only the Samuari were allowed to carry weapons (swords) and the pesants wanted or needed someway to defend themselves. Also the origin of some weapons, nunchuck for example was used to thrash wheat, or that is my impression. It is always fun to get someone in the dojo that is convinced that their 'thing' is the ultimate. My experience is this, a great athlete can not only make a bad technique work but look great too. Carrying a gun on a bike makes sense not that you might shoot from the bike but that you might avoid a bikejacking when stopped. A guy in my club almost got jacked but beat the guy sensless when the bad guy demanded his helmet and stuck his gun in his pants and held out both hands to receive the helmet, which he did.  | ||
| Mikej |
Warning, danger, never, NEVER, base a personal potentially life endangering decision in "large part" by what is said here, or anywhere else on the internet for that matter. What you find here are opinions by people mostly far removed from you and your local situation except for a common interest in the primary focus of this site (Buells). "If he does and I see it, well, we'll see what happens but only one of us will survive. " There are many more options than life or death. Many weapon related encounters have ended without death or bloodshed, I have walked away from a few and had attackers walk away from me as well without bloodshed nor contact nor loss of life or property. To emphatically state "only one will survive" premeditates an ultimate conclusion. Does each armlock have to end with dislocated joints or broken bones? Does each takedown have to end with total submission? The answers are no. Your life, your choice, and no casting of judgement from my part, just a cautionary observation based on personal or observed or learned encounters and events in life. | ||
| Budo |
Mikej has a valid point. In my conceled carry class the attorney emphasied that you had to demonstrate that lethal force was your only option and a last resort. Tho unlikely it might be possible that something said here would come back to haunt you. It is my impression that lethal force is justified only when someone's life is in immediate and unavoidable danger. Or you think that it is. |
