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Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 09:21 pm: | 
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The dung will have nuts though. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 09:23 pm: |
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lol.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Motorcycles___2004- Harley-Davidson-VRSCB-V-Rod-Vrod-Touring-Low-Miles _W0QQitemZ220330028980QQddnZMotorcyclesQQddiZ2283Q QcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_motorcycles?hash=item22033002 8980&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_trkparms=72%3A727%7C65 %3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
Driving distance and be back before dinner time. Bet I could get it for 82 and get his leather chap's to.
(Message edited by bads1 on December 14, 2008) |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 09:32 pm: |
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The Vrod held its value more than the Buell and a Yami.
That's a dumb argument, John. It started out 60% MORE in original price than either the Buell or the Yamaha. Of course it's going to be worth more in resale. You paid more for it.
It's kind of like saying that an $80,000 Jaguar that resales in 2 years for $40,000 held it's value better than a $15,000 Honda Civic that resales in two years for $10,000.
It's the percent loss that matters.
There are other factors as well. Harleys DO tend to hold their overall value better than sport bikes. They also don't tend to get ridden anywhere NEARLY the miles per year that other bikes do. A four year old V-Rod will have 25% the miles that a four year old Uly will.
If you look at the "bottom" price for a V-Rod as a percent of original price, there isn't much difference. They will bottom out at $7-8000 miles regardless of miles or age.
A Buell will also bottom out at about 45-50% of original price regardless of miles.
Regardless, both are motorcycles. If you buy a bike with the daily goal of resale, you cheat yourself of the joy and spirit of the motorcycle. Every motorcycle ought to slide across the finish line on fire with 250,000 miles on the clock and a lifetime of memories for the owner/rider.
It's a disposable commodity. |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 09:49 pm: |
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Ft, read the figures M2 posted. Percentage wise the VR held its value better after a year than the Buell and Yami. not in dollars. I'll be curious to see how far those numbers come apart after 3-4 years.
You bring up a good point about bottom end value. After 10 years, in your honest opinion, which bike will have a higher resale value percentage (ie held its worth).....a Buell or a Harley? |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:02 pm: |
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I wouldn't call 1.5% difference much of a difference.
As a percent of original purchase, you are probably talking about 40% vs. 45%. In nominal dollars, the HD will be worth more.
In actual spread in resale in 10 years, I don't see 5% being that much.
Which would be worth more an HD or a BMW in 10 years given the same purchase price?
Which would be worth more an HD or a Ducati in 10 years given the same purchase price?
Which would be worth more an V-Rod with cruiser miles or a V-Rod with miles equivalent to a Buell in 10 years?
You also have to take into account the difference in depreciation between a cruiser produced by one of the greatest image machines in the world vs. a street bike. |
Rpm4x4
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:07 pm: |
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For what its worth... If I found out that my Buell wouldn't be worth four dollars a few years after my purchase, I would still have bought it. I don't think I am alone here. |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:15 pm: |
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"I wouldn't call 1.5% difference much of a difference."
For the first year. How does that number drop after 3-4 when people will be getting rid of them?
There's Vrods with 30k on the clock that are selling for close to 10 grand yet. My buddy sold his 02 VRSCA with 18.5k for over 12. Accessories and mods on HD's seem go further for re-sale value than Buell's or any other sport bike.
RPM hit it right....we dont buy bikes for what we're gonna get out at the end, we buy them to ride them. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 10:20 pm: |
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Then whoever bought your buddy's bike was a bone head. Like I said John this past Sept. I could of bought your bike... yeah just like yours brand new Zero miles for 11.5. I just posted a 04 for 88 buy it now. V-rods do the worst of all HD's of holding there value. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 11:07 pm: |
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John go to my local dealers site in racine for crying out loud. Look at there new bike section. You will see this.
NEW 2006 Model VRSCR
Street-Rod™ - Stock #3167
WAS $16,995
Internet Special $10,995
Thats cheaper then I could get it for back in Sept. lol
Freight and setup included.
Tax, title and license extra.
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Oddball
| | Posted on Sunday, December 14, 2008 - 11:26 pm: |
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Streetrods are a clique within a clique. Shame really but most want their vrods squatted low with forward controls. If they were those prices when new they might have sold better. |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 12:47 am: |
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So what's your point? I can buy an 08 1125r off Ebay for less than 8? It was 12. After three years I could get that same bike for about 5-6 That's half its value in less than 4 years.
Oh, btw, KBB retail value is 12k on an 06 VRSCR.
And let me get this straight...you believe that the 1125cr will hold more value then a VRod? Am I getting that right Dana?
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Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 08:16 am: |
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Anything over a couple of years old, so called "book" values are meaningless, a thing's worth what you can get for it on the day.
There are so many variables involved, such as condition, options, the weather, geographic market, whether the buyer or seller got his leg-over last night, etc etc, a difference of 5% is neither here nor there.
I've had vehicles for sale sometimes for months, & people telling me it's too steep & I should drop my price, then wham, 3 people call in 2 days & it's gone at my asking price.
Equally I've put things up at what I considered a high price to leave haggling room, & sold the 1st day, with the phone ringing for a week after.
You can't know which fish is out in the water waiting to bite, just got to hope it's a good one. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 02:47 pm: |
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John show me a 1125cr or a R for that matter for 8 grand new ..... Brand New on Ebay. I'll buy it then. I just showed you your bike for 11 grand.... BRAND NEW. As far as the bike.KKB is 12??? Then why can I buy a brand new for less??? Did I say the 1125 would hold its value better then your cruiser??? No.... I said about the same considering from original retail the V-rod is a few more grand in Expense. John your giving me the feeling that we or I am trying to insult you. I'm not.... I sold bikes for awhile. I know of 5 people that are customers of mine at the bar that two have sold there Rod's. They both lost considerably just like you would buying a sportbike. |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 03:37 pm: |
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a) the V-Rod still lost $1500 more in value over the 1125 in the first year. Who gives a hoot about percentages when they can't take into account the initial purchase price.
b) I have been in LOVE with V-Rods since they came out, all the way up to the day I rode one. First was a Night Rod, and I hated just about everything about it. I thought it was the forward controls, so I tried one with mids right after that and it was better, but still not good.
What I'm getting down to is I don't care if a V-Rod would APPRECIATE in value, I still woudln't buy one only because my CR is way more fun to ride. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 03:52 pm: |
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Just to state a fact, my cousin just bought a used 08 1125R for $7500 from a dealer. Didn't even have enough miles on it that the guy before had to even fill it up. |
Bads1
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 03:57 pm: |
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Wow.... the dealer lost money. How about that??? |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 04:46 pm: |
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I've always found, since the first Buell I bought for around $18,000 in 1990, that motorcycles, guitars, certain cars and wife's have all come into my life more as a result of passion and much less as a result of how good an investment they are.
How many, and I know there are some, people have really ever "planned" the purchase of a motorcycle or, and this is the one that tickles me, bought a motorcycle based on it's fuel economy.
Really?
If you are buying a motorcycle purely as an investment you should buy the Cushman I have sitting at home. It sold new for about $150 and is now worth about $3,000. The fact that, beyond certain nostalgic value (what would folks give to have the first bike they were ever taken for a ride on at a 7 year old?) it doesn't meet my current riding criteria.
Ditto my 1971 Gibson J40. I bought perhaps the only Gibson guitar that really never appreciated but I loved it the day I bought it and still do. Not worth much, but I wouldn't take $10,000 for it either.
My professional life keeps me shacked to reason and logic all day . . . when I leave the office I want to live a life of passion and confess, within reason (I'm not buying any $75,000 Ducati or $250,000 Ferrari) I'm more driven my what "thrills" me than by miles per gallon.
In my book the V-Rod and the XR-1200, both bikes that have great appeal to many, just not me, would not be candidates at half the price and twice the fuel economy.
Now someone try to convince me that you buy motorcycles, capable of 150MPH speeds, based logic.
Not buying it.
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Rainman
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 04:50 pm: |
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My Sportster was bought through lust and a long, agonizing internal debate (1 months) with my inner parent. I loved it.
My Wing was bought through sympathy to a friend who hurt his back, could no longer ride and needed money. I loved it.
My Blast was bought because I'd been a whole year without a bike and was going crazy. I could afford it. I love it.
My next bike will be bought because of lust...I'm sure I'll love it. |
2008xb12scg
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 05:42 pm: |
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If I found out that my Buell wouldn't be worth four dollars a few years after my purchase, I would still have bought it. I'm with you. I would think that A Harley would better re-sale with more miles as they aren't rode hard and put away wet. They always get babied. Also Most Harley buyers never even consider any other bike. Many Buell owners would also look at other bikes. Just my .02.. |
Buellinachinashop
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"How many, and I know there are some, people have really ever "planned" the purchase of a motorcycle or, and this is the one that tickles me, bought a motorcycle based on it's fuel economy."
NOT ME! Although 35-40 mpg is better than my truck, its just about a wash because I need to put in super. |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, December 15, 2008 - 06:17 pm: |
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I think trying to pin down the "typical" Harley-Davidson rider, in an effort to compare to Buell riders is an effort in futility.
I've owned LOTS of Harleys for lots reasons at different times in my life. I bought my XR-1000 for a completely different reason than I bought my FLHTC. . . they were all passion driven and I suppose I babied the FLH, but the XR-1000, like all XR's, went in for it's annual $2500 rebuild. . . it was worth the sound, that I have years ago described as the two wheel equivalent to a 3 Deuce 389ci GTO being floored. . .
Lives. . . far too many are totally devoid of passion, pure unadulterated passion. I've made some stupid purchases, but none I've apologized for and I've never needed to like a bike myself to admire someone else purchasing it and realizing their own lust. |
M2nc
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 12:41 am: |
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I thought I made my point but true to any statistics, people can make them say what ever they want. I looked at quite a few bikes, both liter bikes of a make and their performance cruiser counterpart. Most bikes came in at about 56% of MSRP after a year. In the group I looked at, the V-rod did hold the best trade-in value by 1.5% over the 1125R, but the 1125R was second best. The group consisted of the GSX-R1000 (56.9%), M109R (56.6%), CBR-1000RR (54.8%), VTX1800F (55.6%), YZF-R1, Warrior (55.7%) and XB12X (56.2%).
Since the 1125R is not three years old I switched to the Uly. I was surprised to find that the 1125R holds its value 5% better after one year than the Uly. At the end of the three years the V-Rod trade-in is $8,540 or 51.2% of MSRP where the Uly is $5,520 or 48% of MSRP. Considering the better trade-in value of the 1125R I project it's percentage will be closer to the V-rod than the Uly after three years. It makes sense if you consider they are both water-cooled 1200ish V-twins. That said the Uly owner has lost in dollar value just under $6K, where the V-Rod owner has lost just over $8K.
I like the Street Rod, but it does not have enough for me to consider. The CR will best the Street Rod in every category even looks. Park a Street Rod and a CR side by side and see which gets the most attention. Harley's in general are passe these day. A Buell, even my scratched Uly parked next to a pristine Harley, got more questions and walkarounds. Of course the Harley does have cheaper insurance so it does best the CR there. |
Mr_grumpy
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 04:51 am: |
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I've never owned a Harley.
To buy any sort of Harley that I might like to own, I can buy two or more bikes & still have change to insure em.
What I'm trying to say is, I've never bought a bike on logic, always bought what I wanted, however I have NOT bought bikes on logic even though I fancied them. (does that make sense?)
On a side note, a gang of us went to the centenary TT on the Isle of Man last year, the bikes that attracted the most attention in our group?
Ducatis? nope
Yam MT01? nope
Road King? nope
Dyna? nope
The 3 bikes everybody looked at in order,
A hardtail shovelhead chop, (yes he rode it all the way from France)
An S3T & my M2.
It seems the only people who look at Harleys are Harley riders themselves.
(my wife has instructions to shoot me should I start wearing orange & black stuff)
My TT gets a lot of attention wherever I go too, because:
A, It's different & lot's of people don't know what it is,
B, it's filthy, because I ride when I can, not just when the sun's out & the road's dry.
C; Those that do know what it is are interested to know what it's like.
The bottom line however is,
Ride what you like, **** what other people think!
As long as you ride, that's good enough for me.
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Xl1200r
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 09:13 am: |
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I've always found, since the first Buell I bought for around $18,000 in 1990, that motorcycles, guitars, certain cars and wife's have all come into my life more as a result of passion and much less as a result of how good an investment they are.
Bingo.
NOT ME! Although 35-40 mpg is better than my truck, its just about a wash because I need to put in super.
I hardly think it's a wash unless your truck is getting 32mpg or the price of super is somehow triple that of regular gas, lol. |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2008 - 09:28 am: |
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...A Buell, even my scratched Uly parked next to a pristine Harley, got more questions and walkarounds...
ouch.
Carlos, i deeply resemble that remark.
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M2nc
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2008 - 12:32 am: |
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Damn, I was real vague too! |
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