| Author | Message | ||
     Danger_dave |
>>You guys dont have to worry about zombie hordes.<< Yes - My children are past teenage. As previously acknowledged, the circumstances are different. My point was that in the Australian eg there has been no notable social disintegration since the populous was disarmed. We never had hand guns anyway - or any rights to them. (Message edited by danger_dave on December 09, 2008) | ||
| M1combat |
"My point was that in the Australian eg there has been no notable social disintegration since the populous was disarmed. " But there will be here. | ||
| Court |
WOW . . powerful stuff. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-406976153 7893819675&p I'd seen it before but each viewing makes it all the more powerful . . . . | ||
| Aesquire |
Obama: Don't stock up on guns http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/131896 8,obama-gun-sales-up-120808.article "We don't dispute [the gun sales hike] because the numbers from the federal system certainly confirm that there is increased activity out there. We just think it's a bit stupid," said Peter Hamm, spokesman for the Brady Campaign against Gun Violence. "Anyone who thinks they need to rush out and buy a firearm clearly has not been paying attention to how quickly we make progress on this issue. We don't think these are first-time buyers. We think they are people who already have more than enough guns at their homes to protect themselves and are buying more." thus speaks those who would disarm the proles. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Danger Dave, i've never been to New Zealand, but hope someday to have the good fortune to visit. i still remember with fondness reading Peter Egan's wonderful "Land of the Long White Cloud" piece in Cycle World many moons ago. it's always interesting and valuable to hear opinions on "touchy" domestic issues from folks who don't live here in America. when our country was formed, the founders felt so strongly about the need for our citizens to have the right to bear arms that they made it a constitutional right. i'd like to emphasize that point: the right for our citizens to bear arms is granted as part of our country's constitution. that's pretty heady stuff. and in the ensuing years since our country's formation, millions of Americans have chosen to legally exercise that right. in its simplest terms, the issue here has less to do with the attacks by the new administration on our right to bear arms, and more to do with the fact that it's an attack on one of our constitutional rights, an attack on one of the very foundation blocks of our country. as you can see, this has a lot of our citizens quite upset and alarmed. put another way: New Zealand sounds like a truly wonderful place to live. and i assume you, as a NZ citizen, have certain rights granted to you by law. thus, i'm curious how you would feel if one of those rights - even if it was a right you chose not to exercise - was now being threatened by your government? best regards, Ferris | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>thus, i'm curious how you would feel if one of those rights << Personally - I don't vote. It only encourages the b******s. Thus my right to complain about sh*t is abjured. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
ok, well, i took a chance with my post. i trust i made my point. best, FB | ||
| Danger_dave |
yeah it was a bland answer. depends on the circumstances. The parties here are so close together that it makes hardly any difference on day to day life whichever side is in gov't anyway. | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
Dave, it makes a big difference here, as you've read on this thread. i believe in my right to bear arms, altho i'm not the gun "enthusiast" that many on this thread are. i am a firm believer in ALL of my constitutional rights, and the importance of them to the well-being and stability of my country. best, FB (Message edited by jerry_haughton on December 09, 2008) | ||
| Spatten1 |
Personally - I don't vote. It only encourages the b******s. Thus my right to complain about sh*t is abjured. Damn, that's mature. We have many people here that bitch constantly, but don't bother to vote. | ||
| Spatten1 |
FYI: I don't know how I got on this emailing list, but natchezss.com has some great specials on magazines today, and they also sell bulk ammo. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>i am a firm believer in ALL of my constitutional rights, and the importance of them to the well-being and stability of my country. << You have to leave them behind when you come here you know? You'll find life is much easier without the DIY Chuck Noriss kit. Otherwise we'll have to change that picture of the big rock split in half to 'FB was here" (Message edited by danger_dave on December 09, 2008) | ||
| Danger_dave |
Most people in this part of the world would be aware of their Constitution and learned of it in Jnr school. Of my friends - and I have many in different walks of life - I'd doubt that any could quote from it. Cultures are just different. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Dave, In the US areas with high population densities have the statistically high crime and violence. You are from a part of the world with less population density, more resembling the lower population density parts of the US in crime statistics. We struggle a little here because laws made for one geography (and it's local culture) do not work for another. It's like having one set of laws for all of the European countries. We are not all uncivilized, just pockets of the US are..... Interestingly, the strongest pro-gun factions tend to be from the areas with less crime, but I believe both are the result of population density, not a cause and effect for each other. | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>You are from a part of the world with less population density<< Not really. Most of Australia's population is in 5 very large cities. It's a very urban society. All the middle bit of the continent is crap. 30% of NZ's is in one city. | ||
| B00stzx3 |
I'm gonna laugh at everyone who bought a bunch more guns when Obama DOESN'T take them away. And when he turns out to not be a commie Muslim to, I'll be the smuggest SOB out there. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Dave, look at the frigging density of population, which completely dehuminizes people according to psyh 101 studies. New York is over 5 TIMES the population density of Sidney: Sidney: Population - 4,284,379 [1] (1st) - Density: 5,330.2/sq mi New York: Population - City 8,274,527 - Density 27,147/sq mi (10,482/km˛) There are plenty of asian cultures crammed together, but those societies were built so people could co-exist in a crowded environment, yours and mine ain't. | ||
| Nik |
i'd like to emphasize that point: the right for our citizens to bear arms is granted as part of our country's constitution. The Constitution, nor the Government of the United States grants any rights. The Bill of Rights explicitly guaranties the inherent rights of the people (including the 9th amendment catch all.) No law can create or grant rights; they can only constrain and limit those rights which are present in every human being. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, [. . .] (Message edited by nik on December 09, 2008) | ||
| Danger_dave |
Compare it to Dallas or San Antonio and then look at the 'figgin?' percentage of Urban V Rural dwellers nationally. Way skewed. (Message edited by danger_dave on December 09, 2008) | ||
| Danger_dave |
And it's Sydney. Unless you are announcing the Olympic games - then it's Sid-En-Knee. (Message edited by danger_dave on December 09, 2008) | ||
| Jerry_haughton |
The Constitution, nor the Government of the United States grants any rights... Nik, i kinda feel like i've just been busted for poor spelling or something. here, the Second Amendment says it better than i did, apparently: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." how'd i do this time??? FB | ||
| Spatten1 |
Dave, Those are great examples! You will find that Dallas and San Antonio have pockets of rough areas where the crime rate is high, and the population is much tighter than the lower crime areas of town. If you get out of those pockets the crime rate is very low. Secondly, I don't really care if I spelled Sidney wrong, not my strong point, and it has no bearing on this discussion. Let's really get the anal retentive side of people up: Eric Buell. | ||
| Danger_dave |
It matters when it's your home town. I have an Uncle Eric - that comes off the keyboard far more naturally. | ||
| Nik |
One of the things that made this country so different and great at the time of its founding was the idea that the power to govern, and the rights of the people, came from the people themselves, and are not granted by some King. It's an important distinction. | ||
| Spatten1 |
It matters when it's your home town. If I wasn't from Charlotte, I'd probably understand the home town pride thing better..... | ||
| Danger_dave |
'I spent a week in Charlotte one afternoon.' (works for any city) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with preventing robberies or self defense from muggers. | ||
| P_squared |
Some folks get it, some folks don't.  Until such time as Australia & NZ become part of the USA, I'll refrain from trying to make their citizens agree with and/or understand my views & beliefs in regards to the 2nd Amendment. BTW Dave, I've been to the seedy parts of Perth & Sydney. I didn't need a firearm, but that's 'cuz we were on liberty & travelling in packs of 5+ Marines. No matter where you go in the world, when it comes to cities, they ALL seem to have areas that a wise man avoids in the interests of their own health. The difference is that here, I have a RIGHT which is not prevalent in other countries of the world. | ||
| Danger_dave |
I think it's interesting to discuss cultural differences. Been! I've lived in the seedier parts of Sydney, Perth - and most of Asia - alone and unarmed. But then, I'm the people my mother warned me about. | ||
| P_squared |
And I bet you probly listen to that little voice in the back of your head that tells you when it's time to leave an area too? (Not to be confused with the other little voice that tells you to twist that throttle HARD btw.)  AKA someone who doesn't need to "prove" how tough they are and only gets violent as a last resort when all other options have failed? I'm not saying a person who knows how to 'listen' & act needs to be armed. Doesn't mean I don't want the option of stacking the deck in my favor though. I have that 'option' here. |
