| Author | Message | ||
     Imonabuss |
A new domestic force beholden only to the President? Dear God, stop this insanity. Nothing could be worse; we are on our way to a dictatorship. Stressed times are when grabs for government rule happen; don't give in, this truly is the last bastion of freedom. The government has no right at all to control your weapons unless you give it away. And that includes giving away handguns. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN while we still have power in our hands. This country was started to escape kings and any other form of despot, and the reason it succeeded was there was an open country an ocean away from said despots. There's no where to run now, and we could easily be entering an infinitely long period of dark ages if we lose our rights. No big government can win against guerilla warfare where the citizens are armed. Take the arms right away and you WILL have a Krystal Nacht in some form. Do not let a government take control under the auspices of benevolence. | ||
| Sticks |
I don't get it, wouldn't it be easier to just move to Canada, rather than try and make a new one? It's just right there. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I try to see the hand gun thing but in NJ There is only 1 real use for a handgun and it aint hunting if you tell me target practice OK then keep it in a town arms room . I tell you again I believe in the right to bear arms just not handguns they are good for 1 thing and good guys aint really doing that. Now it gets tough to make the point when some of you live in huge wide open states I wish there was an easy way but there aint. This is exactly what goes on all over the country. Urban/suburban dwellers see more bad than good come from guns. Understandable. Problem is, we all don't live on the Northeastern seaboard, San Fran, or LA. Those geographies tend to feel that their issues trump the "fly-over" areas of the country which are less important. Cities are bad places for any guns, especially handguns. However, this is a large and diverse country and what you see in Suburban Jersey is different from what life is like in about 40 of our 50 states. The people most screwed are in rural NY or CA, because their lives are run in every respect by laws made in the metro areas, by arrogant, myopic, "cultured" urban folk. | ||
| Garryb |
You guys seem kind of paranoid to me. Here in Wis, we have 500,000 deer hunters active each season. Everyone has at least a high powered rifle and probably a shot gun, besides any hand guns. I would guess concealed carry will finally pass, despite the massive efforts of law enforcement. No one is pondering taking our guns here. | ||
| Hitman44139 |
I dont really think they will take what we have. I think the idea is to make it impossible for us to be able to afford and buy the guns we want. harder laws and taxes are the way they will go | ||
| Spatten1 |
I do believe Krystal Nacht is something important to remember. I am a Jew, and I think Jews should own firearms for just that reason. You can't trust the government to always do the right thing, to always take care of you. You must remember the times in history where that did not happen, and the weak were hurt, badly. | ||
| Vaxb |
SO I'm to understand that a 9mm 0r .45acp is more dangerous than a 12gauge shotgun? If you make it harder to use a handgun then the good old sawed off shotgun will make a great and fast comeback. Then i suppose we will have to ban the shot guns to. I own only handguns for target shooting and self defense. Will the armed forces also have to code there ammo, or will this leave an opening for the black market? Any one that has seen a round after it impacts it's target will tell you it will be very hard to find a "code". I wonder if this will even be effective. As for the "domestic force" this scares me more than anything that Oboma stands for, who will regulate this force and keep it in check? Remember Oboma himself said "that when the comes he will stand with his Islamic brothers"! | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
You guys seem kind of paranoid to me. No offense but you don't live in my state nor do you live near the rat's nest - Washington, D.C. The people over here are "certifiable" and that's no exaggeration. I've often remarked if the rest of the country really knew what was going on in D.C. there would be an instant revolution. There's a reason why Maryland has the highest median household income. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "ignorance is bliss". (Message edited by ferris_von_bueller on December 06, 2008) | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
When we abdicate our responsibility to protect ourselves and provide our own peace and prosperity to our government, we must accept whatever version of peace and prosperity our government deems correct. Sometimes that peace and prosperity doesn't include YOU. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
I have a sneaking suspicion this domestic force Obama spoke of is an end-run around the second amendment. It would be in essence, a militia, thus one could argue the general population no longer has a right to be armed because the militia would meet the criteria of the second amendment as interpreted by the left-leaning Obama appointed Supreme Court. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I'm going to a religious service this morning to commemorate the people killed at the Jewish center in India last week. With a gun they might have killed a terrorist or two. Maybe, maybe not, but worth a try. A couple of us are trying to get our rabbi to arm himself. He's from England, this will be an uphill battle. | ||
| 4cammer |
"I try to see the hand gun thing but in NJ There is only 1 real use for a handgun and it aint hunting" - Brumbear For all that have bought the argument from the left, the 2nd A is NOT about hunting. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I'm going to a religious service this morning to commemorate the people killed at the Jewish center in India last week. With a gun they might have killed a terrorist or two. Maybe, maybe not, but worth a try. A couple of us are trying to get our rabbi to arm himself. He's from England, this will be an uphill battle. My understanding is that there is a cultural penchant and resistance, even after the Holocaust, for Jews to embrace the idea of "self defense". Is this culturally true? I don't see this in Israel proper. For those who believe that Islam is a "religion of peace" I reference the barbarism of the events in India. That and the ringing silence of the majority of "peaceful" Muslims.  | ||
| Court |
Like many, not wanting to chance running afoul of the wishes of my current government, I surrendered all devices that may offend them. I have left, if anyone has a need, 2 magazines for a Browning Challenger Medalist. I bought them for $27.85 each. If anyone wants them I'd be happy to be done with my disposal ritual. By the way, and I know there can't be sold on the net but if someone in the NYC area has any need for 3-1/2" mag 12ga "BB" I need to get rid of them as well. | ||
| Imonabuss |
Be very, very afraid of Obama. We over-reacted to some mistakes of the current administration, and have opened the door for a president obsessed with government control. He was the most radical in all of Congress, and it won't decrease now that he is in a position of extreme power. We MUST hang on to the balance of the three government branches to have any hope of surviving as a free country. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Court, you can sell ammo over the internet and you can ship it, too. Now, if you'd like to unload those 12 gauge rounds just drop me a line with quantity and price.  | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
Will the armed forces also have to code there ammo we already do. | ||
| Woody1911a1 |
court , i've 2 medalists and would be more than happy to help you out  | ||
| Woody1911a1 |
 pm sent court and wife's bugging me to help get the tree in , bbs | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
The military codes their ammo? I have bought surplus military ammo in the past and never noticed any unusual markings. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
well I dont think they code each round so much as they keep a tracking code on they cases of ammo. Like when we go to the range and stuff after we are done we have to turn in all the brass and it has to be the same amount as was in the case in the first place. Also in war time when we use rounds in combat they need to know how many rounds was used. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Yes, the military keeps STRICT control or rounds, as much as the weapons. there are several codes on each case, which, are inventoried constantly. The rounds themselves, are kept track of by count, nothing more. Chase | ||
| Spatten1 |
My understanding is that there is a cultural penchant and resistance, even after the Holocaust, for Jews to embrace the idea of "self defense". Is this culturally true? I'd say, from my experience, a lot of Jews are liberals driven by idealism, thinking one more good deed will change the bad people to be good. Personally, I'm a bit more cynical. I do, however, try to appreciate people whose actions are for the right reason, even when I think it is idiotic or just impractical. There's plenty of Jewish MMA guys and gun enthusiasts in the US, you just don't notice them as much as the politicians from the big cities on the coasts. Hell, if you were from another country you'd think Pelosi was a representative Catholic or Ms. Clinton was popular and reflected most Christian American's views. Regarding any anti-gun bias, it's usually just an urban mentality, just like urban non-Jews. Most of the rural Jews that I know either have guns or are fine with people that own them. After Torah study last week, I had a discussion with one of the guys regarding that new compact .45 that came out a year or two ago, he's getting one... | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
This seems like a good organization to me: http://www.jpfo.org/ | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I believe it was from a representative of the JPFO that I had heard about the cultural resistance to firearms. Spatten, what new .45 came out? The H&K P30 9mm is one of the most comfortable compacts I have fired. I believe the .40 and .45 are about to be produced. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Jeremy, I just looked it up, it's the Springfield XD. I probably shouldn't have said compact, I meant extra high capacity for the size: The XD Service Model and Tactical Model are now available in .45 ACP. And, fully loaded, the new XD .45s carry a payload of 14 rounds. I'm very impressed that a .45 can carry so many rounds in such a small grip, changes the game for me, first time I've considered owning a .45. | ||
| P_squared |
All this talk, and low & behold, the parts for a new .45 have made their way onto my Christmas list. 1911 style with all the custom goodies I can build into it. It's always more fun to build your own I believe, than to buy a "finished product" in the realm of firearms & ammunition. As to those who "don't see a need" for handguns, or think requiring ammo to be "tagged" is something that "makes sense," please do me a favor & stay out of Texas. I like the fact that my 2nd Amendment rights aren't infringed down here. I'd like it to stay that way. Funny thing though, I carried concealed on both coasts. I've yet to have a need to carry concealed in TX. Why would an active duty Marine be ORDERED to carry concealed, with live rounds, in a civilian population, in LARGE metropolitan areas, on both seaboards while performing training/exercises? Yet citizens in those areas "don't see a need"? Again, punish the criminals, don't punish me with what you think is 'common sense' yet I see as an encroachment upon one of my RIGHTS. That goes for ammunition, pistols, rifles, shotguns. My next project, provided some nutjob doesn’t put the kibosh on it before then, is building a .50 BMG bolt gun. For those of you who might think that I don’t need it, I could say the same to you. You don’t need your motorcycle on the coasts. You have mass transit. Turn in your Buell to the Government for the better of the environment. Don’t like that idea? Then stop trying to encroach on my RIGHT to own firearms. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
"building a .50 BMG bolt gun" You won't be disappointed...I wasn't. You need to be a member of FCSA.... .if you aren't already. Click: http://www.fcsa.org/ | ||
| Oldog |
Like many, not wanting to chance running afoul of the wishes of my current government, I surrendered all devices that may offend them. Local? } | ||
| 2008xb12scg |
Diane Finstien, Long time anti gun, has a CWP...And body gaurds.... |
