| Author | Message | ||
     Barker |
I aint no moder-sickle inguneer, but it dont it look "buellish". I pray to god they are not going back to Dunlops. It looks more like a custom one off of a TM racing 450. It almost looks like a photochop of this bike. As seen in the wild: Wow, you figure a feller you could make/own a bike like that would atleaset put the front tire on the right way. Correct me if I am wrong but it looks backwards to me.       (Message edited by barker on November 16, 2008) | ||
| Oldog |
interesting, Photo chop?? | ||
| Barker |
In case you are wondering, No, im not on my normal regiment of Peruvian Marching Powder. The original post/pic was deleted. | ||
| Hughlysses |
The original post/pic was deleted. By who? The Buell "men in black"? | ||
| Paint_shaker |
What's with the street tires on the dirt bike?? | ||
| Tramp |
Super Motard | ||
| Skinstains |
Single sided swingarms are for fags. | ||
| Skntpig |
front tire is on correctly. Dunlop does that on their race tires and possibly street ones now. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Looks like the fancy billet brake pedal grinds up against the engine. That should look nice in a few thousand miles. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Looking for the Buell in there. I do see a perimeter front brake, but thats it. Damnit dont get me started on a Buell SM/DS/MX bike. Its like my kryptonite. Reduces me to a mud blathering fool. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Evidently the first post showed something of interest and was deleted. Hmmm, maybe Internet Archive caught it.... | ||
| Typeone |
confusing thread.. . those pics up top are of an '07 TM 'Black Dream' supermoto, either 450 or 530cc. theyre based in Italy. | ||
| Barker |
I got the original pic. i'll post when i get home. it will all make sense then. nothing to get bothered about. | ||
| Barker |
behold! the original pic!  now does all this crap make sense? | ||
| Redponcho |
FYI Buell......I will be in the market for a dirt bike in a few years! PLEASE!!!!!!! | ||
| Typeone |
yup, all makes sense now. hahaa. someone P'chopped the Buell logo and a little 'swoosh' onto a 2007 TM supermoto.  | ||
| Typeone |
btw, that bike looks fun as hell. so fun, in fact, that ive been contemplating selling the XB to get another Husky.. . SuMo style.  | ||
| Freezerburn |
Maybe TM bought all of the Buell single project... | ||
| Trojan |
Maybe TM bought all of the Buell single project... I think you'll find that the TM bike has been on the market since 2004 (longer than the Buell dirt bike concept was 'publicly' in existence). The front brake is from Braking, who have marketed this setup since at least 1999 and had fitments for a lot of machines including the tube frame Buells. They were fitted as standard to some Ghezzi & Brian bikes for a while, but they reverted back to 'traditional' style discs on their final models. There are very few truly 'new' ideas in motorcycle design, and most of what we see has been tried before. Norton ran 'fuel in the frame' Commando race bikes back in 1973 for instance, and Vincent used ideas that were years ahead of their time. Some of the ideas Vincent pioneered such as monoshock rear suspension were not seen on other production bikes for 30-40 years afterwards and then hailed as a 'new' idea from Yamaha. | ||
| Court |
And history tells us that Alexander Graham Bell was didn't invent the phone and it as not Paul Revere who actually made the ride . . . . History, and commerce, rewards those who are not only visionary but follow through, complete development and apply for and are granted intellectual property rights. Buell holds, and has for years, such rights to the perimeter brake and the fuel in the frame. | ||
| Trojan |
Buell holds, and has for years, such rights to the perimeter brake and the fuel in the frame. So how did Norton and Braking managed to develop & manufacture their systems without falling foul of patent laws etc? In Norton's case it was because they did it before Buell was even thought of, although their achievements (and in particular Peter Williams, their cheif race engineer and rider) with their radical 1973 racer were overshadowed by their financial problems and ultimate collapse. Peter Williams did a lot of things that other people have subsequently claimed credit for, such as the first use of Mag wheels and disc brakes on a Matchless back in the 1960's!   This Norton was so far ahead of it's time that other factories thought they were quite mad, yet it allowed the antiquated 70bhp Commando to run at 170nph at Daytona and to win the TT in 1973. It also regularly beat the Japanese factory bikes ridden by Sheene and Co, who had race budgets that Norton could only dream of by that time. Similarities between this bike and the XBRR of 35 years later are quite remarkable really. Braking were making rim mounted discs before Buell had their patent, and use a diferent mounting system, which is why they can make them and still not infringe the Buell patent (and vice versa). | ||
| Tramp |
ummm: You're confusing rim-mounted discs with perimeter braking. that being said, Buell owes a major nod to Norton for many concepts, not the least of which would be isolastic drivetrain uspension and isolator plates- note same in lower pic. I worked on Norties for years, and couldn't miss the analogy when i first peeked at the Buell rr series | ||
| Court |
>>>Braking were making rim mounted discs before Buell had their patent, and use a different mounting system, which is why they can make them and still not infringe the Buell patent (and vice versa). That is accurate. The braking design, recalling the reviews, just did not work very well. The key was the mounting and actually taking the weight out of the wheel. Braking had the right idea just failed to engineer the complete system to take advantage of the benefits. >>>Buell owes a major nod to Norton for many concepts, No doubt about it. There have been manufacturers who just out right steal ideas and claim credit. That's a bad thing. Simply being influenced is no different than the Beatles paying homage to Chuck Berry for shaping their music. Those are kick ass pics of the Norton. I blame the Norton girls but I've never been able to get Nortons our of my mind . . | ||
| Cityxslicker |
I fully expect to see the Buell Dirt bike, right after I completely tear apart a Blast, mount it in a different frame, add 21 wheel up front, radical rear travel and spend way too much, time money and spare parts to make it happen. Proof? Harley did it to me once, with the 2007 XL1200, Buell did it to me with the XB12STT.    | ||
| Tramp |
I was at Mort's yesterday, admiring his recently completed '62 Manx, and we discussed my concept of building a Manx replica based on the blast engine, along with my hare-brained idea of purchasing a poor-condition Drifter and mounting an Evo Sporty or Buell engine into the frame. | ||
| Firstbuell |
Tramp, that's a GREAT idea !! |
