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U4euh
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't know if this has been seen or not but I couldn't believe it when my father sent it to me!!!!!!!! Air show in Dallas, stunt plane and incredible SKILLLLLZZZZZ!
This will take you to my photobucket, then wait for it to load. Click on the pic.



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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok, I'll be the a$$hole. That was totally fake. Discuss amongst yourselves.
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Rah7777777
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

looks bad ass but no way in hell thats real!
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Spiderman
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

fake, too still (camera shake) at the end and the planes movements look un=natural...
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Look at the "bubble" around the aircraft during the breakup and flight to the ground.

Clever but naaaaawwww...
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you want me to play Detective A$$hole, I'd say that there would be a hell of a lot more crowd guffawing if the plane had suddenly lost its wing.
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yep- I was hoping to say otherwise, but it's just a nice chopjob.
As a flier, I can tell you there's no way that the craft would continue level attitude, nor would the pilot continue the show with an outside loop before touching down.
Nice post-production editing, but
no soup for you
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Trac95ker
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It could only be an rc plane because a plane can't land that slow when there is no lift - a wing. then it looks like they dubbed in the real plane.
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Nik
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It could only be an rc plane because a plane can't land that slow when there is no lift - a wing. then it looks like they dubbed in the real plane.

Sure it could; acrobatic planes such as the one depicted have gobs of power.

It's not real though; the video was designed to go viral (and it looks like it has) by KillaThrill.

But something similar did happen a while back before the interweb. Here's a PIREP: http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/repeats/zlin_wing_fai lure.htm
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Gohot
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Regardless who, how , where, or whatever that was way to cool, and if true its one profesional pilot......wow either way bummer it won't load twice in a row or...?????

(Message edited by gohot on November 04, 2008)
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Guys, this was clearly a computer rendering - not even a chop. Looks to be about the graphic quality of the latest MS Flight Simulator.
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Swampy
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 10:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I saw a program recently about an Israeli F15 that had its wing shot off accidently during practice, the pilot couldn't see the missing wing due to the fuel spray and just went full throttle and landed it.

Great plane, great pilot
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Give a plane sufficient power to weight thrust and you can fly it without wings.

It's a fake for sure.
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think this program you saw was on the 'amazing tales of the sky-gremlins' network
...anyone who's flown understand the impossibility of controlled flight after loss of a wing
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



Actually a true story on History Channel.

http://fulgerica.com/en/2007/12/16/amazing-f-15-la nds-miraculously-with-an-entire-wing-missing/
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Trac95ker
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Give a plane sufficient power to weight thrust and you can fly it without wings."

Planes have fixed wings, just like the pic you posted.

What you are describing sounds like a rocket or missile but I understand your point.
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 12:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>the impossibility of controlled flight after loss of a wing

Asymetrical lift, right?

I mean any wing, in this case the remaining one, that has air flowing over it and is not stalled, is "flying", ergo creating lift.

The entire dihedral & anhedral science kinda goes for naught with one wing gone, eh?
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Smoke
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 05:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

fake film or not, i have seen plenty of air show stunts where the plane was flown straight with the wings pointing at the ground and the tail was used as a wing surface for the length of the runway. lots of motor. when i saw the wing come off in the film i thought he would try to hang it off the prop and land like a helicopter. acrobatic pilots have some unique skills.
tim
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Crazyhorse
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 05:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Any one that dosen't think that knife edge flight is posable needs to get out more .
with the high power of todays areobatic planes I have seen them go from knife edge to a full hover and then pull straight up from there.
Kodo's to the pilot for keeping his head when things go wrong
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Tramp
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 06:56 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

psssst:
um...crazyhorse
the film is fake.
no craft can initiate, let alone complete,an outside loop after losing a wing
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Tramp
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

FtBstd-
The thrust of a fighter like that, and the similar spread the 'elevators' (being as they're barely elevators in this case) have to the primary wings (which aren't so primary on such a twin-engined near-missile) render it nearly a 4-winged airplane.
Regardless, your post does example controlled flight after wingloss!
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Planes have fixed wings, just like the pic you posted.

What you are describing sounds like a rocket or missile but I understand your point.




Plane or rocket?



More plane than rocket.


I agree as well, though.
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Swordsman
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 09:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Man, I bought it up until the very end. I didn't notice any bad rendering, but the "bounce" physics looked wrong... too rigid, not enough flexyy-wobbly-jarring of the rest of the plane. I've seen other planes hit the ground on TV, and you KNOW there's some real force behind it.

Pretty slick vid, though.

~SM

(Message edited by Swordsman on November 05, 2008)
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Tramp
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 09:43 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

MY CFI can pull some fat deadsticks, though
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Gohot
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The truth... it's on utube and after watching it, it'll come on screen as "REPLAY", at that point you will see another of the same video with the caption .....RC PLANE lands with one wing, but Hay it's too cool anyway!!!!!
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U4euh
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes I agree, the video does look good up to the landing. That is where it looks chopped.
Didn't the manufacturer of the f-16 send over a whole panel of engineers to look over the f-16 after the incident.
As someone posted above, todays homebuilt stunt planes have enough power to hover in a vertical position, seen myself, care to argue that. Don't know how long the engine would last, the pilot didn't want to find out himself. When in a vertical flight, like over the runway, isn't the body providing lift, granted the tail is dropped at enough angle thus 'knifing' the leading outer point of the wing. In other words, if both wings were still on that plane, the one closest to the runway would have been 'leading' not the prop, thus the air was actually coming at the fuesalage at an even rate. Because this plane has ample amounts of power to hover the plane could it not happen.
I don't believe he did another outside loop, be it RC or real, I believe the plane/RC went into a spin, full power up and the plane went into a stall(AKA Hammerhead) until it was slipped into the falling position.

BE it RC or real, there is some skills there.
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Deltablue
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually the maneuver he brought in for landing is called a knife edge. It's a standard aerobatic maneuver that uses the lift of the tail to keep the plain in the air. It is not possible to land on a knife edge with both wings intact. The possability of surviving such a trick are very small. But those aerobatic planes have so much power that they can hang vertically inches from the ground like a helicopter. My opinion is plausible but not likely.
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Tramp
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Right on-

Remember that a hammerhead is a highly specific style of stall, it's not an AKA situation.
I perform hammerheads, they're not to be confused with others....the pucker factor and footwork entailed are much more taxing.
Not sure about your question re: body providing lift- what I think may viewers here are missing is that simple loss of lift, overall, is not the primary issue with wing loss;
The primary issue is the loss of ONE wing while retaining another, throwing all lift to one side, effecting a spin (as U4euh stated wll )or another, more purely Zurabatic maneuver
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Bandm
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 08:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html

http://www.avweb.com/blogs/insider/AVwebInsiderBlog_ViralVideo_KillaThrill_LostWingLanding_199096-1.html?show_comments=1#read

(Message edited by BANDM on November 05, 2008)
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Court
Posted on Wednesday, November 05, 2008 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

People. . . it's entertainment. Enjoy it for what it is . . . face it . . . strippers don't want to go home with you, there is no Easter Bunny, it's s shame Alderaan was destroyed and it was not a real airplane.

Settled?
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 01:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Awesome link Ft_bstrd, but they didn't mention what happened to the other plane in the collision
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U4euh
Posted on Thursday, November 06, 2008 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Amen, but it was fun! Good read on that link!!!
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