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Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 11:28 am: | 
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ADD/ADHD is a myth used by parents that don't know what discipline is, and exploited by the drug industry |
Jb2
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 11:35 am: |
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>>> ADD/ADHD is a myth used by parents that don't know what discipline is, and exploited by the drug industry
Amen. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 12:04 pm: |
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+1 Glitch. |
Hammeroid
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 12:39 pm: |
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I want to post here too. Jramsey and hdbob you don't have to read my post but I have the free will to post if I want to post. post post post. Oh and for good measure Teflon tape. haha. I hope you two didn't read this, ah, you probably did but you don't have to post a response if you don't want to. But you know that already. Are you still reading this? you are aren't you? |
Hammeroid
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 12:41 pm: |
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snarf snarf |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 01:04 pm: |
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ADHD is...ummmm....hey guys how's it going? |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 01:44 pm: |
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ADD/ADHD is a myth used by parents that don't know what discipline is, and exploited by the drug industry
My kid has Aspergers. It ain't no myth.
Wish it was. |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 01:48 pm: |
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Autism is real I agree.
Not even close to "ADD/ADHD/EBD" alphabet soup. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 02:21 pm: |
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"ADD/ADHD is a myth used by parents that don't know what discipline is, and exploited by the drug industry" with you partway- ADD/ADHD is also a BS 'diagnosis' for kids who goddam live in soda and sh*t full of corn syrup, who are off the goddam handle as a result.
The drugs so-prescribed are BS- if the parents would get the kids off of corn syrup (and maybe cut back on sugar, as well), they could toss the over-prescribed Ritalin et al.
My bigger issue with the bullsiht that IS "ADD/ADHD" is that it's really just contrived form of societal discrimination against caucasian boys acting as normel descendants of hunter-gatherer societies of northern/central Europe would, naturally |
Glitch
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 03:05 pm: |
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I could live with that "diagnosis"
All I know is I have a son that lived with his mom, he was diagnosed with ADHA/ADD/EBD and was put into Special Ed.
He came to live with me, and before he left he was in college bound classes.
I learned a lot about the alphabet soup, and Ritalin during the process, and met a lot of parents that had no control over their children.
I found that more often than not these "parents" were too busy trying to be friends rather than parents, had no clue what is meant by letting boys be boys, what in the wide wide world of sports discipline is, how to turn off the TV/game console or that you can't/shouldn't try to make children sit still all the damned time...
Or that you don't all of a sudden have a problem child overnight.
The list goes on and on.
I've never met a more inept group of folks in all my days.
Made me feel sorry for those real parents with children with real problems, because of all these brats taking up good time from them...
Sorry for the rant... |
Swordsman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 03:24 pm: |
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Amen to that Glitch! Preach on! 
~SM |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 03:39 pm: |
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I have to say the problem with peoples statements about the "myth" of ADD/ADHD creates problems for those who have to deal with the LEGIT condition.
Some people seem to think that a change in diet or a change in parenting can solve ANY problem - that's just as productive as yelling at the quarterback from the cheap seats. It might make you feel good but has no effect on the reality of the situation.
ADD/ADHD has been a convenient mis-diagnosis to allow medicating kids instead of changing their behavior - however... HOWEVER in the cases of LEGITIMATE ADD/ADHD, you can't always say it's just diet or faulty parenting.
I have ADD/ADHD (and was diagnosed since my FIRST arrest in 1968) and didn't try ANY medication (my parents didn't believe in it either) - until I was nearly 40 years old.
I don't think that people realize that there are some very difficult problems that require some pretty intense coping skills if medication isn't used (and by the way, after 6 months, I stopped taking the meds)
I do local speaking to groups about ADD/ADHD - and one of the best images I have been able to put out there is that ALL ASPECTS OF MY LIFE are like reading a teleprompter. The words and actions are scrolling at the limits of your ability to take action or read. The slightest distraction breaks the ability to process the information. Happens in conversations, happens in life.
A bunch of us racers were comparing notes and an interesting point: you know when you are racing at your limit when you cannot process ANY extraneous information - when the ONLY information you can process is ONLY what you are doing in that ONE INSTANT. You can't notice the cloud formations, the birds, the crowd. If you DO notice any of that sorta stuff, you're going too slow.
Yes, the mis-diagnosis of ADD/ADHD is all too often done for the convenience of school administrators and parents but there really IS such a thing.
So many of "us" were SERIOUS problem children - long arrest records, self-medicating on various substances, violent behaviors, other forms of acting-out. Higher functioning kids chose activities that served their needs. I learned to fly at age 14 - though the academic stuff KILLED me, the activity of flying itself was a miracle.
Adrenaline sports seem to be a constant among the higher functioning, jail another constant among those with poorer coping skills.
Just my $0.02 dashed off here at the end of lunch break. |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 03:43 pm: |
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I don't know if it's all a myth, but I know my old man cured me of it in about 10 minutes -- I was probably 6 or 7 years old. I went ahead and used his well known remedy on my 3 and they've all got college degrees and none of them have been in *bad* trouble  |
Buelliedan
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 03:44 pm: |
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A lot of kids who are diagnosed as ADD/ADHD actually turn out to have bi-polar disorder. But it is not something the medicval community wants to admit at such a young stage of life since it canot be cured, only medicated. It is a much more serious condition that ADD that if left untreated can lead to so many problems in the persons life. |
Dbird29
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 04:01 pm: |
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I've got CRS
Can't
Remember
Shit |
Hootowl
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 04:37 pm: |
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"Is it better to use Synthetic oil in voting machines?"
Using synthetic oil in voting machines (especially new ones that aren't broken in yet) will void the warranty, and any ballot cast with such a machine will not be counted. Use it at your own peril. |
Kyrocket
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 04:44 pm: |
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As for the political part of this thread, I also will be glad when it's over so I can start watching television again, without all the political commercials. I did my part, I voted and will wake up and see who won tomorrow and go on about my life.
As for the alphabet soup version the thread has taken on; my wife, love her heart is a special needs teacher K through 2nd. In today's society I'd go to jail by the end of the day if I had to be in there. She has one little fella in particular who, maybe he is a little on the slow side but he comes to school and eats like he hasn't eaten in days, especially on Mondays because he doesn't get much on the weekends. Parents drop him off with the car blaring rap music spewing expletives which he repeats daily. He gets out of the car sucking down pop at 8:00 in the morning. He talks about drugs his parents have in the house almost daily. So yeah the kid may be slow but in my opinion the parents should be taken out and given the once over. It's just easy to slap a ADD or other diagnosis on him, label him retarded, give him a blue folder that will follow him the rest of his life than it is tell the parents to step up and raise their kid. Now don't lynch me just yet, I know there are those that are correctly diagnosed, and have parents who go way out of their way to help their kids...I'll finish this rant later, my kids want me to rake leaves so they and the neighborhood kids can jump in them. See ya' later. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 05:37 pm: |
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What modern medicine calls "ADD/ADHD" is sometimes considered a presentation of an anachronistic trait that was desirable in hunter-gatherer societies, where, constantly-shifting attention won hunters more quarry, and saved them from becoming meals, themselves.
Being as our modern cubicle and IBM world lends itself far better to folks from more strictly agrarian ancestry (as in rice farmers who learned patience and depended on consistency in the weather, the photoperiod, etc.), caucasian juvenilles who look out the window at birds and motorcycles going by, instead of listening to rote drivel, are labelled and then medicated to be good little rice-farming cubicle dwellers. |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 06:56 pm: |
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Tramp, I had a similar discussion with a friend recently. My point was that the only method of measuring a child's performance (educational, psychosocial or otherwise) today is thorugh a variety of standardized tests. The school systems have no or little idea what to do with those children who fall outside of those "norms". If Bobby does not behave like an obedient automaton; he must be abnormal. So then we look at the path that schoolchildren are placed on nowadays. The vaunted college degree is the holy grail. You must go to college or you are somewhat less of a person...or abnormal. It is beyond the scope of our suburban dwelling mentalities to consider that Bobby's inability to thrive in a traditional classroom environment, might be indicative of a predisposition for excellence in carpentry or boat building or iron work or or farming. All of which may be experienced without a college degree. In support of your excellent points I concur that the child must not be beaten (pharmacologically or behaviorally) to conform with the very narrow range of expressions that have been collecectively deemed appropriate, but given the opportunity to explore a more diverse range of appropriate (to them) paths. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:35 pm: |
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Thanks, but- your post still relegates them to a vo-tech world of blue cotton uniforms and welders' masks, which my point, frankly, seeks to debunk.
Given the correct sensory (as opposed to 3rd person rote) exposure, they may find a previously latent genius in an academic field, as well.
Our society applauds kids for having a goddam pulse, and derides those who clamber up above their desk chairs, to get a better view of things. |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:39 pm: |
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Tramp, I didn't mean to imply that all statisticlly outliers be relegated to trade schools or apprenticeships. I meant that there is nothing wrong with becoming a tradesman, if an appropriate and realistic academic pursuit can't be found. You're looking at from an evolutionary perspective, and I'm looking at from an institutional level. This is kind of like arguing about a right side scoop. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:42 pm: |
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RIGHT SIDE SCOOPS??!??!??!
why you low-down snake in the .....
I wasn't impugning welders, either.
My issue with this is that this is how stand-outs are so-relegated, now.
this needs to change, methinks.... |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:44 pm: |
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Agreed. Aristotle said, "No great genius has ever existed without some touch of madness." Fundamentals, baby!!!!! |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:46 pm: |
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Those left side scoops belong on snowboards |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:47 pm: |
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Had he the need for one, Obama would likely use a left side scoop. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:48 pm: |
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Indeed, and he'd be better served by a snowboard than skis
according to Jimmy the Greek, anyway... |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:51 pm: |
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Please stop, you're killing me LMFAO!!!!! |
Brumbear
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 07:59 pm: |
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I know when my oldest son who is now 21 was in elementry and middle school he was labled a canidate for evaluation and they wanted to check him out and possibly medicate him. I told the school stick that crap up your arse and challenge the kid call me everyday he misbehaves you teach I'll parent. My son is now in his third year of college and has acedemicly however you spell it had a full scholarshipp every year. He has not 1 bill nor do I for his education. I am no doctor so maybe the ADD thing does exsist I think however more than a good percentage of kids diagnosed are a complete BullShyt diagnoses. |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 08:00 pm: |
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I meant that there is nothing wrong with becoming a tradesman, if an appropriate and realistic academic pursuit can't be found.
I hate to inform you all but folks that can't sit still and concentrate aren't very good at carpentry, welding, plumbing or electricity, either. |
Johnnylunchbox
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 04, 2008 - 08:02 pm: |
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Ferris, where did I say anything about sitting still and concentrating? |
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