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Tramp
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pammy-
Thank you.
I was taught how to ride by my mom, who trail-rode and competed in the occasional hare-scramble.
She taught me how to shift and clutch as well.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My mom has only one working arm (polio). You should see her hang wall paper.
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I learned to ride from a girl, who also sold me my first bike. I still ask her for advice.
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Tramp
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

...and my first full-size motorcycle (after my third XR75) was Mom's old Hodaka Ace 100 (she'd upgraded to a Combat Wombat, to keep up with my brother on his Super rat)...
She was a Ski School Director for most of her life (inherited Dad's job after he was killed) and had a staff that included over 100 guys working for her... None of them had any problem working for a Woman in that testosterone-rich field.
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Tramp
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pammy said:
"If I sound offended, it's because I am"

...and well you should be- not only for gender purposes, but also as a HD professional.

Your bread and butter, and a great degree of your very existence is being wrongly impugned by some of these trollish posts.

The habitual recurrence of this anti-Buell whining invokes Sonny and Cher's "I got you babe" droning from the alarm clock radio at 6:00am in "Groundhog Day"

*shudder*
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Pammy
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Wes is constantly asking "don't you have some dishes to wash or some laundry to do?" He thinks the whole issue is funny, as do I.

What I know (or don't know) about the internal combustion engine does not define my intelligence,certainly. But I can assure you that I am no less capable or no more capable, due to my having an "innie" as opposed to an "outtie".

Stereotyping is never fruitful and certainly gives a black eye to anyone who would choose to do so.

But I would love a cooking show.

I was thinking about approaching the discovery channel with the idea of starting a CSI type show for engine failure. The causes and effects sort of thing. That is what I enjoy. It crosses my nosey nature with my motor-head side. Perfect! You bring an engine to me with catastrophic failure and I tell you how it came to be...with all the CGI tricks that are used on the regular CSI shows.

Can you picture a valve spring in coil bind and the CGI view as the spring wears away the spring base and eventually breaks letting the valve break off in the cumbustion chamber and slice right through the center of the piston....etc...

Well anyway, I would watch it...but I am boring like that.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 07:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

was thinking about approaching the discovery channel with the idea of starting a CSI type show for engine failure. The causes and effects sort of thing. That is what I enjoy. It crosses my nosey nature with my motor-head side. Perfect! You bring an engine to me with catastrophic failure and I tell you how it came to be...with all the CGI tricks that are used on the regular CSI shows.

Can you picture a valve spring in coil bind and the CGI view as the spring wears away the spring base and eventually breaks letting the valve break off in the cumbustion chamber and slice right through the center of the piston....etc...

Well anyway, I would watch it...but I am boring like that.


Can you research in your show how the hell they came up with the design for the Pontiac Aztec and how that failed?

I'm generally against abortion, but that beast should have been ended before it began.
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2008xb12scg
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pammi-I'd watch it!
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ft_bsrtd, the Aztek concept car was awesome, it was very versatile and had a ton of utility. It was gonna be the Uly of SUVs. Bean counters killed it.



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Dbird29
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 01:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Aztek was way too expensive.
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Crusty
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 06:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bean counters killed it.

No; it uglied itself to death.
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Pammy
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 09:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ha Ha, I remember when I first saw that car. I believe they were giving it as a prize to contestants on Survivor...I told Wes that it was a cool idea, but the vehicle looked a bit too dainty for it's intended purpose. I really never warmed up to the looks.
It's ugly, but not ugly enough to be unique. It definitely doesn't look rugged.
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Who are you, "Aztekgrrrl"?
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Jlnance
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Can you picture a valve spring in coil bind and the CGI view as the spring wears away the spring base and eventually breaks letting the valve break off in the cumbustion chamber and slice right through the center of the piston....etc...

Why yes, I can.
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Pammy
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ha,No Aztekgrrrl for me...I am not a passionate as the other 'grrrl. If I don't care for something, I move along to something I do like.

Jim, you could be my first episode....
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Chellem
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think it sounds awesome. There's plenty of shows similar in format but with a different subject matter - from ghostly encounters to post-mortem investigations by a medical examiner.

I know my husband would probably watch it. They (or you) might even be able to get sponsorships from different vehicle manufacturers to have their product placed.

Well, maybe not if it blew up. That proposal would have to be worded carefully. ; )

->ChelleM
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Lightstick
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I bet you could get H-D to sponsor a show featuring a Honda engine blowing up.
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Any time a Chevy would be on the show, I will point out that it was rigged!

Make sure you make an episode of Toyotas sludging up : )
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Pammy
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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(Message edited by pammy on October 30, 2008)
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Bomber
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

now, waitaminnite -- we're missing an important point here -- Pammy with her own cooking show -- think of it:

-okra
-50 wgt
-smart women

I'm thinkin this would put the CSI Frnchise on teh trailer
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Pammy
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 05:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Now I kin cook up some okra...

I draw the line at possum...

I'm not feelin' too smart right now...having a little trouble with something I have done a hundred times. GRRR
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Possum's OK eats, but its what they eat that skeers me when I think of it, chewin' on some cutlet...
Now, Muskrat is actually fine eats...I used to chop the rear legs off after I skinned 'em, when I trapped 'em as a kid, and I'd save them until i ha da nice mess of 'Rat hams...
Living in all that clean water, eating sweet roots, muskrat flesh is really great eats.
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Memories...


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Borrowedbike
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 07:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Poor Cat...
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Brumbear
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 07:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I heard armadillo aint bad eats either I'd try it. I had goat not to long ago I tell ya what it aint half bad.
I never ate muskrat but I tell ya I'll take it over OKRA
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 07:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When you skin (dead) 'Rat (Muskrat, that is) you do a simple "glove" skin whereby you cut a slit from one foot to the other, circumcising the tailt, and then invert the critter (taking care not to puncture the mesothiliae,as the inept broad in the shot above did) out of its skin "glove".... which you then stretch over a (usually wooden, in the case of those I made) stretcher
Beaver's an entirely different skinning procedure: open, circular affair
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Brumbear
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

same with rabbit?
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Court
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I found this interesting.


quote:

I continue working through the BC Portfolio – difficult enough between the number of stocks (about 35) and the number of sacred cows that are apparently forbidden from being sold, but further complicated by the selloff that’s made so many stocks look so cheap. It’s a constant process to remember that stocks are owned for where they are going, not for where they’ve come from, and that there are opportunity costs to any position – namely, the returns that could have been realized elsewhere with that capital.

When I look at the portfolio, I begin with the lens that each stock was added for a reason. This can be difficult, because in most cases the stock’s existence in the portfolio predated my tenure in the club, but I think it’s necessary because not adopting this process can allow stocks to linger indefinitely. Circumstances change, and sometimes the environment a company finds itself in is radically different than what was expected… especially in times like this. This is the position I found myself in last Monday, when I presented an update on fund holding Harley-Davidson (HOG) to the club.

In doing this re-assessment of Harley, I felt that stock was likely added to the portfolio because of the strong growth the company showed in the first half of the decade, which was assisted by the use of Harley’s finance arm (HDFS). In hindsight, it’s clear that many of those new customers were riding a wave of unsustainable home price appreciation and easy credit to dreams of riding a Fat Boy. From this perspective, it’s clear that HOG is not being held for the right reasons – volumes are down double-digits in the North American market, dealer inventories remain elevated, and HDFS has drawn scrutiny for poor lending practices.

Considering the techniques used by HDFS – zero down, 100%+ LTVs, and teaser rates – it’s not too much of a stretch to compare them to an out-of-business subprime lender. The growth of HDFS has expanded finance receivables as a percentage of total assets from 35% in 2003 to 56% currently, with the result that Harley’s balance sheet makes it look more like a lender than a manufacturer. Because of how closely HDFS is tied to Harley’s core business of selling motorcycles, being able to offer continuous funding is crucial, and HDFS has $400 million in financing due by year-end whose ability to be renewed at reasonable rates is not assured.
Even those concerns about credit issues in the lending portfolio exist, the secured nature of these transactions (collateralized by the motorcycle, with high re-sale values) has minimized credit losses to less than 2%, on 6% delinquencies.

This information, and the ugly outlook for spending on big-ticket discretionary items, bodes poorly for Harley. But with how much time has passed and how circumstances have changed – especially regarding Harley’s share price, down more than 65% since the peak – the question changes to: “knowing what we know now, would we buy this stock at this price?” It’s obvious that Harley committed a number of sins during the good times, but they have been punished, and then some. So where is the good here, and is it enough to save Harley from being sold?

If Harley has one strength, it is that they are highly profitable, and that forgives many sins. Their ten-year average return on equity is 29%, although it is apparent how the company added leverage to achieve a higher ROE from 2005-2007. Nonetheless, such a high ROE is nothing to dismiss as a simple byproduct of leverage, which averaged just 1.83x over that decade (relative to 2.68x now). As volumes decline, Harley will suffer reduced profits, but the consistent 20%+ operating margins should cushion the blow to some degree, as will the extremely depressed valuation multiples. The stock trades for under 2x book, and 0.75x sales, and looking at a ten-year average of net income ($643 million), the stock trades for under 7x long-run earnings. For a stock that has historically traded around 6x book and 3x sales, those multiples are exceptionally low.

So value, or value trap? Under $20/share I find the prospects truly compelling between the earnings power and minimal implied value given to Harley’s brand name, which is not carried on the balance sheet. While there are no guarantees HOG does not go lower in a bad market, I believe this company – present bad headlines and all – is worth adding to on a long-term time frame.




http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle+a rticleid_2751004.html
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well-done, Court (as usual )
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Brumbear
Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2008 - 09:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't pretend to know alot about the market stuff and I shy away from it because I don't even know much about investing or Stocks and the like period but that was a good read Court thanks for putting that up.
I think if I understand it some that the LUMP has saved Harley once again they are "very profitable" sometimes less truly is more. Also if they put out more sportster variations and/or 8-10K bikes they might even start selling again as the 15 to 20K machines are going to be going the way of the DODO
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