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Blake
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In addition, those taxes that are not direct will be paid by the middle and lower income folks in the form of "stealth taxes".

- Higher cost of goods
- Lower incomes
- Less Overtime
- Fewer jobs created
- Greater offshoring of jobs
- Higher interest rates
- Money secured against taxation vs. invested in business growth
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Spatten1
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, at that point his tax plan didn't even resemble what it does now. He didn't have the two tiered cap gains tax then. He's changed it after every debate. It's actually much better than it was, but it calls into question if he has any idea what the hell he is talking about.
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Teeps
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Politicians are pathological liars. They ALL want my money. My only "HOPE" (yea, hope; Nobama promises hope, this hope and a $1.60 will get you a tall coffee at most Starbucks) is that the one that gets elected will take less of my money.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Obama is a puppet and can only speak about what he's been told by someone else. He lacks the ability to think for himself, form his own conclusions and speak intellegently about anything he hasn't been previously prepped on.
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Spatten1
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I know I need to pay taxes. I want infrastructure and cops and schools.

I just want a politician that has some friggin' clue about numbers and economics. How can people that are that smart be so damn clueless? Some of this stuff is really basic for an adult to understand.

If you guys read Barak's tax policies a year ago you'd shit.
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Spatten1
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My biggest beef is this: How can people get tax rebates that are bigger than the taxes that they paid? What do I not understand here?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What do I not understand here?

The desire to create a welfare program where individuals have no shame or stigma attached to the receipt of the money.

If I receive food stamps, I might be a little embarrassed. If I receive a tax rebate check from the IRS, well, that is just fine.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If I owned a very profitable business and my taxes increased I would just increase the price of my product and or lay off some people or cut benefits if possible. So as a profitable business Iam not going to hurt too bad initially but the people who buy my products will pick up the tab.
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Spatten1
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The real bummer is that McCain came up with that mortgage buy-out plan out of the blue. I pulled his sign out of my yard for about a week after that.

Has McCain announced when we should quit paying our mortgages so that we can cash in too? Why shouldn't responsible and conservative homeowner tax payers get rewarded with everyone else?
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What buy-out plan did McCain come up with? I had just heard he supported one.

Penn and Teller are right on just about every topic they cover.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That $300B mortgage buy fiasco he came up after the polls showed that socialism was gaining traction for Obama.

I HOPE that part of his financial plan is a lie.

I voted against the Republican Senatorial candidate, Lame-ar Alexander for his vote on the bail out package.

I voted independent. Don't even know who the hell the guy was.
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Spatten1
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In the second or third debate he started blabbing about spending $300B to revalue mortgages to current values for those that couldn't make payments.

None of his economic advisors knew it was coming. Romney said it blindsided him.

I'm still voting McCain, but with much less confidence and enthusiasm.
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Court
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>I'm still voting McCain, but with much less confidence and enthusiasm.

Put me in that camp . . . Obama has no clue nor any experience. His ecoblathering violates even the most sophomoric basics of economics.

Where does this guy dream this stuff up?

Do we ever know if the neighborhood even ever got organized?

Wow.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Where does this guy dream this stuff up?

Saul Linsky, "Rules for Radicals"
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S1wmike
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If the thought of Obama reaching the White house wasn't so F*ckng scary I'd be LMMFAO at the video clip.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Saturday, October 25, 2008 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

His ecoblathering violates even the most sophomoric basics of economics.

You, sir, are too kind.
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Teddagreek
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 12:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You guys do know that's not really actual Penn & Teller bit.. I watch them all the time..


Just some You tube moron who wants dollars...






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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 01:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You guys do know that's not really actual Penn & Teller bit.. I watch them all the time..

NOOOOO! Really?

I couldn't tell how it was looped and all.

Thanks for the heads up.
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Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 05:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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