| Author | Message | ||
     Glitch |
www.fairtax.org Sure would solve a lot of problems, not all, but man oh man would it be the way to go! | ||
| Cityxslicker |
thinking it is an amazing time to be an american.... overseas. | ||
| Poppinsexz |
And BO has done more? Interesting. Tis a shame, neither side has seemed to pick a winner. Dems are becoming more liberal, Repubs are picking more liberal. Guess what, we're gonna get a lib for pres.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I just want to see the rich pay as much as you and I. Are you fuqing kidding me? The bottom 35% pay NO taxes what so ever. The top 5% pay almost 55% of all taxes. Please do some research. Someone has LIED to you to tell you rich people pay no taxes. They pay more than you or I could ever hope to pay. Now Joe Biden says "it's time to pitch in"? | ||
| Djcrysler |
Glitch, Fairtax.org is exactly one of the things this country needs. Smaller Government, etc.DC | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
the "W" in his middle name stands for WORST president ever!!! I would place Carter ahead of Bush. | ||
| Glitch |
I would place Carter ahead of Bush. Being forced to think of Jimmy again  I remember well the excellent mortgage rate we had back then, we were in good standing with the bank, so we only had an 18% interest rate. Another thing we don't have now we had back then was the "Misery Index" Ah...those were the days... | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
All the republicans know how to do is smear. Karl Rove taught you a new trick and it has ruined the country. Come back when you want to improve the country. Tell me where I have smeared Obama? I am explaining EXACTLY what he has stated are his policies. There is no smear what so ever. Redistribution of wealth is socialism/communism Centralized control of healthcare is socialism/communism Obama's friends, mentors and allies have always been leftists, radicals, and communists I don't know how else to say it. If you think it's a smear, you need to not watch the rose tinted media quite so much. | ||
| P_squared |
Careful there Fat One. Questioning 'The One' with tough questions could find you under investigation. Or it could find the NYT sending emails to your Facebook friends for dirt on your wife.  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
How long until we have 10'x 14' portraits of our beloved leader hanging around Washington? | ||
| Spatten1 |
McCain is swinging socialist because it appears that is what America wants. Your right you bastard, I'm just very disappointed in him. I thought more of him than that. I was wrong. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Your right you bastard, I'm just very disappointed in him. I thought more of him than that. I was wrong. It's part of the reason I wanted someone other than McCain as the GOP candidate. He has no backbone. I will vote for him only because the alternative is caustic to America and the principles by which our nation was founded. As bad as Bush has been, the vast majority if the damage is reparable. The sweeping entitlements and overarching changes in the way the government is positioned in the daily lives of American citizens Obama represents will be virtually impossible to reverse. | ||
| Garryb |
I didn't mean you personally, I was referring to the 100% negative campain maccain is running. I believe Obamas plan call for tax cuts for 90% of Americans. Everyone who makes less than 250K. Good for you if he's planning to spread some of your wealth around. Looks like Powell is his friend now. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I'm hoping that Obama will be like Clinton: Promise impossible and impractical things when campaigning, then perform as a moderate populist when in office. After each debate Obama has changed his tax plan, and it has shaped up very well compared to the early ones. I used to think governing by the poles was bad, but not compared to what we have seen lately. Problem is that Obama has nearly no record or experience to look at, other than voting straight party line and "present". It baffles me. We have no idea what we are getting other than a bunch of plattitudes and no record. My fingers are crossed, because like it or not, he will be the next President. | ||
| Guell |
Garry, He stated that 90% of Americans making under 250k might get tax cuts or it might stay the same. I could care less if he cuts taxes or not. The fact that he wants to spread the wealth around to people who don't work or deserve it bothers me. Thats what you call communism. You've seen how well it works. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I believe Obamas plan call for tax cuts for 90% of Americans. Everyone who makes less than 250K. He's been saying that for a year, but the plan, if you actually studied it, did not reflect that at all. He was dropping the capital gains exemption for home sales, raising cap gains rates for everyone accross the board, etc. It was all bull crap about the 250K until this very recent proposal. It all sounded great, but most people are not reading the actual details. Like I wrote earlier, the plan is much better now, it was downright offensive and idiotic a few months ago. Hopefully he will keep things moving in the right direction. | ||
| Garryb |
Under the Obama Plan: Cut taxes for 95 percent of workers and their families with a tax cut of $500 for workers or $1,000 for working couples. Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase. The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. According to the Tax Policy Center, the Obama plan provides three times as much tax relief for middle class families as the McCain plan. Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut. http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/ http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf (Message edited by garryb on October 19, 2008) | ||
| Garryb |
Here's the link to the final plan and fact sheet: http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax _Plan_FINAL.pdf | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
He is proposing an official tax on 5% of the population, but he is proposing a stealth tax on 95% of the population. Why would you want to tax ANYONE during a deep recession? Last person to do that was Hoover. The result was so bad that no Republican on the planet will EVER repeat it. The problem is that no one takes the time to calculate what the actual effects are. When the government pulls money out of the system via taxation, there is an offsetting component taken from somewhere else (wages, number of employees, suppliers, price of goods, quality of materials, etc.). When the factory that supplies my wife's goods raises the price, she passes that price increase on to the buyer. We don't eat it. If the taxes on revenue were increased, we would simply raise the price charged at the wholesale level to offset those charges. We would also wait to hire that support person until next year instead of hiring them now. The wholesale price is higher because we passed that increase on to the retailer. The retailer is also paying a higher tax, so the retailer adds their increase on to our increase in the price. We ship our products in boxes. The box distributer is going to increase the price of boxes. We ship our goods via UPS. UPS is going to increase the price of shipping. Let's take it all the way to the middle class tax cut. The middle class will receive a reduction in taxes paid or a credit for taxes not paid (unofficial welfare). This tax credit will not be dollar for dollar. There are systemic inefficiencies in the collection and distribution of wealth that is being redistributed. There will be increased collection costs, increased accounting advice and planning costs, increased fines and penalties. These dollars must then pass through the Federal government where they will be siphoned off to provide earmark funding, debt service, and entitlement funding. So let's say that the middle class receives 50% of every dollar pulled out of the pockets of those making $250,000. The price of goods will be closer to 100% of every dollar of additional taxation. So the benefit to be paid to the middle class from the pockets of the "upper class" will leave them able to pay less for the goods and services they wish to buy than before the program started. Even if they received 100% of every dollar that was collected the net result would be that the goods and services have been priced to reflect the increase in taxes to the businesses and owners of those businesses. The 95% number below $250,000 number sounds great until you begin to break down exactly what the real net effect is going to be. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. Dude, wealthy families do not pay taxes, high W2 wage earners do. There is a big difference between wealthy families and high current earners. Old money is in trusts, etc. and they ain't paying much under any US tax plan unless we go to the Fair Tax. It all sounds good and easy, but it's a bit of a farce when you get down to the rates and the mechanics. The guys that will pay are successful business owners and corporate officers, both of which get big W2s. The Kennedy's and other "wealthy families" will not be affected much. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Dude, wealthy families do not pay taxes Please explain what you mean by this? | ||
| Old_man |
A heartbeat away!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc&feature =related Scares me. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
A heartbeat away!! Scares me. And this is better: Just 'cause you've been there for nearly 30 years, it don't mean you aren't a meat head. | ||
| Old_man |
Absolutely no comparison.. | ||
| 4cammer |
"Obama is the first voice in quite a while who wants to address the major issues in this country, and will help restore our position in the world. He will be a superstar compared to bush." No, he does not want to restore our position in the world. He wants to assimilate the USA into what Europe has become. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I'm sorry but I have no confidence in people who: Can't pronounce their own name properly, it's f****n' COLIN not Coelin! Are named after a military housing unit! Are named after frozen potato products! Share the same name as one of the Monty Python crew. Grow what little hair they have long, & tease it over the bald bits, I miss anybody? Y'all have a good election, we'll be watching with interest. General opinion here is nobody gives a rats' who wins, they can't be worse than GWB. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Bar Stool Economics The Tax System Explained: Bar Stool Economics Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this: The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing. The fifth would pay $1. The sixth would pay $3. The seventh would pay $7. The eighth would pay $12. The ninth would pay $18. The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59. So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. 'Since you are all such good customers,' he said, 'I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.' Drinks for the ten now cost just $80. The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?' They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay. And so: The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings). The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings). The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings). The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings). The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings). The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings). Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. 'I only got a dollar out of the $20,'declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,' but he got $10!' 'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar, too. It's unfair that he got ten times more than I got' 'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!' 'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!' The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill! And that, ladies and gentlemen, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier. David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D. Professor of Economics University of Georgia For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible. Lifted entirely from http://www.amazingjokes.com/ | ||
| Miss_doc |
personally, i'd really like to know about just what Obama really did do for this country with all of his time in office. i know that he did go to Kenya to show his support for a violent socialist by the name of Odinga, on taxpayer's dollars. I have found info that he was a card carrying member of Democratic Socialists of America, and another socialistic group called New Party. His spread the wealth around is a socialistic idea that has been apart of the Liberal Democratic retoric for many years. in the small amount of reasearch that i have done, i have found that to get to communisim from capitalism one Must become socalist first. that is according to Marx. i would rather learn just why Obama has associated with such people when all that they really want to do is destroy this great country. than hear about his tax plan or his health care plan. Just from seeing who he has associated with in the past tells me that those plans would more than likely be bad for this country. Just the fact that he is soo uptight about william ayres who keeps saying "guilty as hell, and free as a bird" tells me that Obama is bad news. Even Reagan said that big government is a bad thing, he said that the big government is NOT the solution to the problem, is IS the problem. that was back in the 80's. I also don't feel that this country wants to be a socialist country, just the Liberal Democrats, and Liberal News Media. They like to spin the truth in to what they want to report just so that thier personal choice for president will stand a better chance of winning. Back when Kerry was running, remember the fast boat guys??? The news sure went after them really fast, how about "joe the plumber" the news sure attacked him quickly. why have they NOT gone to check out Ayres and Obama's connection, or the one to Acorn, or DSA, New Party Why have they NOT gone and checked out his associations with Odinga??? Are they So AFRAID that if they were to show the American People who Obama really is that he would LOSE in a landslide???? Why are the Democrats trying to hide so many thingS????? And better yet why are we letting them get away with it????? THE PEOPLE IN GOVERNMENT ARE SUPPOSED TO WORK FOR US, YET THEY ARE NOT LISTENING TO WHAT WE WANT. I SAY LETS GET RID OF ALL OF THEM AND START OVER. As for Sarah Palin, when she became Gov. of Alaska she inherited a state in debt, now it is nolonger in debt. California is, last i checked, 7million in debt, Washington state is around 3million in debt, why??? I belive that it is because of Liberal spending, and liberal democratic policies. They are running this country in to the poor-house. Now we have Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, who were instrumental in the sub-prime lending B.S. that has gotten this country the latest round of Economic problems, telling us that THEY can fix the problem; that sounds like letting the fox guard the henhouse. I SAY PUT THE P.O.W. and THE PIT BULL IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Who you? Bare new profile. anon not working today? | ||
| M1combat |
"She ran a state that has a population smaller than Columbus Ohio. She bounced around a few community colleges and won miss congeniality at the miss Alaska pageant.... ? Not the kind of person I want leading our country. " That's funny... Because that's EXACTLY who I want there (once you add the other pertinent details). Those details being the fact that she's had the drive to make something of herself. That she's stamped out corruption where she's found it, damn the consequences to herself. That she grew up in small town America (The same one I did incidentally). Palin seems to be an American. Sure... She's not exactly like every other American but this is a very diverse place. We need to start electing people off the street (Not the "wall" one either). People who have grown up in America that DON'T have a fricking silver spoon in their mouths. People who understand what both small town and big city America are. People who can relate to you and me. People who know what a gallon of fuel costs (and I don't mean the fricking price). Maybe those people won't have all the best ideas already cooked up in their little heads but they'll have advisers. They'll be able to see things from a point of view much more like my own. JOE THE PLUMBER FOR PRESIDENT! |
