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Easy_rider
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Obviously I don't agree. No backup needed. Bits are being wasted.
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Dbird29
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 06:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Aardvarking List from http://www.joebobbriggs.com/list/aardvarklist.txt
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Aardvarking
Adam and Eve'ing It
Baking cookies
Baking the bean
Balling
Banging
Bashing the Beaver
Being in a woman's Beef
Being up to one's Balls
Being Up to ya nuts in guts
Beast with two Backs
Beating cheeks
Beating someone up with an ugly stick
Boffing your Brains out
Boinking
Boom-booming
Bone Dancing
Boning
Bonking
Boofing
Bopping
Bouncing the bearded clam
Breeding
Buffing the beaver
Bumping and grinding
Bumping Bellies
Bumping Uglies
Bumpin' fuzzies
Bumpin' uglies
Burying the Baby leg
Burying the Bone
Burying the Weasel
Burying the weenie
Bush patrolling
Buttering the muffin
Buzzing the Brillo
Buzzing the honey hole
Chopping
Cleaning her pipes
Cleaning the carpet
Coming together
Cooping the chicken
Crackin'
Crashing the custard truck
Crawling across the floor like a water spider
Creaking bed syndrome
Creamin'
Cutting the mustard
Dancing the Buttock jig
Dancing the matrimonial polka
Dancing the mattress jig
Diddling
Dipping the gravy boat
Dipping your wick
Diving in the Dark
Diving for pearls
Doing a lewd infusion
Doing a load of laundry
Doing Dirty working at the crossroads
Doing it
Doing some Bed-pressing
Doing some ladies' tailoring
Doing some Muff Diving
Doing some Nose painting
Doing some One Armed Banditry
Doing some Rump work
Doing som Up Hill Gardening
Doing the Act of Darkness
Doing the Backseat mambo
Doing the Backstroke
Doing the Bad thing
Doing the Bed Boogie
Doing the Four-Legged Fox Trot
Doing the Funky Chicken
Doing the chores
Doing the deed
Doing the Featherbed jig
Doing the Four-legged frolic
Doing the Hokey-pokey
Doing the Horizontal bop
Doing the Horizontal exercises
Doing the Horizontal hula
Doing the Horizontal Jog
Doing the Horizontal mambo
Doing the Horizontal polka
Doing the Horizontal tango
Doing the Humpity Dumpity
Doing the Humpty Dance
Doing the Humpty Dumpty
Doing the Mattress Dance
Doing the Mattress mambo
Doing the Mommy-daddy Dance
Doing the Nasty
Doing the Naughty
Doing the tube snake boogie
Doing the Tubesteak fandango
Doing the Ugly
Doing the Wild thing
Doona Dance
Drilling for oil
Drilling for Cervix
Drilling the Ditch
Driving home
Eating cauliflower
Eating hymeneal sweets
Eating at the Y
Enjoying a flesh session
Exchanging Bodily fluids
Feeding the Dummy
Feeding the kitty
Feeding the muffin
Filling the cream Doughnut
Finding a Hot Dog in a jungle
Fitting end to end
Fitting her clap flap
Five knuckle shuffle
Fixing her plumbing
Flopping in the hay
Fornicating
Fraternizing
Genital exercise
Getting a Belly full of marrow pudding
Getting a rock off
Getting a shove in your Blind eye
Getting Beef in yo taco
Getting Carpet Tunnel Syndrome
Getting creamy
Getting down
Getting Funky
Getting horizontal
Getting into someone's pants
Getting it on
Getting Jack in the orchard
Getting jiggy
Getting parallel
Getting some Front Door action
Getting some stank on the hang low
Getting oats
Getting stretched
Getting your cane waxed
Getting your chimney swept out
Getting your end wet
Getting your hair cut
Getting your jollies
Getting your leather stretched
Getting your lizard drained
Getting your nuts cracked
Getting your oil changed
Getting your rocks off
Gettin' some of that slippery action
Getting busy
Getting your freak on
Giving a hole to hide in
Giving a woman a shot
Giving hard for soft
Giving her a hosing
Giving her a pat
Giving her the Business
Giving her the high hard one
Giving juice for jelly
Giving kitty a taste of cream
Giving someone a stab
Giving someone the works
Giving the Dog a Bone
Giving it up
Giving her the high hard one
Glazing the Donut
Going at it
Going Belly-to-belly
Going fishing
Going like a rat up a Drainpipe
Going spelunking
Going to town
Goosing
Greasing
Greasing the monkey
Greasing the pole
Greasing the wheel
Greasing the axle
Grinding your tool
Growling at the Badger
Hammering
Hauling your ashes
Having
Having a Bit of curly greens
Having a Bit of fish
Having a Bit of giblet pie
Having a Bit of pork
Having a Bit of split mutton
Having a Bit of sugar stick
Having a Bit of summer cabbage
Having a Bit of the cramstick
Having A Bit of the old in & out
Having a hot roll with cream
Having a joy ride
Having a nooner
Having a piece of tail
Having a poke
Having a Quickie
Having a root
Having a squeeze and a squirt
Having a turn on your Back
Having an Uppy Downy
Having Nookie
Having one's way with
Having some Afternoon Delight
Having the Beasty rendezvous
Heading South
Hiding the salami
Hiding the sausage
Hiking the South Rim
Hippity Dippity
Hitting it
Hobblin'
Hooking up
Hopping
Hopping on the good foot
Horizontalize
Hosing
Humping
Impaling
Introducing Charlie
Jabbing
Jazzing
Jigging
Jiggling
Juicing
Jumping Bones
Katydiddling
Knocking Boots
Knocking mops
Lancing
Laying some pipe
Laying cable
Lying feet up
Lifting a leg on someone
Lighting the lamp
Linking it
Losing the match
Making Baskets
Making ends meet
Making grass sandwiches
Making her grunt
Making it
Makin' Bacon
Making Babies
Making Magic
Making the sign of the Two-backed Beast
Making whoopee
Mingling limbs
Mixing your peanut Butter
Mounting
Nailing
Nibbling
Nipping the bean bag
Packing the frank
Painting the Door
Parallel parking
Parking (the car, the bus, the Audi)
Parking the Beef Bus in tuna town
Parking the pink Plymouth in the garage of love
Parting the Pink Sea
Passing the gravy
Peeling your Best end
Performing Carnal gymnastics
Phallicizing
Picnicking in the lawn
Planting a man
Planting your seed
Playing at in-and-out
Playing at tops-and-bottoms
Playing cars and garages
Playing Doctor
Playing Hanky panky
Playing hide the hot Dog
Playing hide the weenie
Playing hide the salami
Playing on the hair court
Playing pickle-me, tickle-me
Playing the slots
Playing the squeezebox
Playing tiddlywinks
Playing post office
Plooking
Plowing
Plug and playing
Plugging
Pocketing the stake
Poking in the whiskers
Poking
Poking the pie
Polishing the Jewel
Popping it in
Popping one off
Porking
Pounding
Pounding the porch
Pounding the puppy
Praying with the knees upward
Probing the membrane
Professional wrestling
Pumping
Punching the chipmunk
Putting the Bee in the hive
Putting the Boots to someone
Putting the Devil into Hell
Putting your root Down
Putting your snake in the grass
Puttin' sour cream in the Burrito
Puttin' the candle in the pumpkin
Putting the Devil into Hell
Putting the "Lew" in Lewinsky
Putting the Puppy in the Dog House
Ramming
Ravishing
Rear attack
Receiving a guest in the foyer
Riding someone
Riding the hobby horse
Riding the Baloney pony
Riding the pink pony
Riding the pony
Riding the skin Bus into Tuna Town
Ringing her Bell
Rocking
Rocking it
Rocking off
Rocking the casbah
Rogering
Rolling in the hay
Rolling the cigar
Romping in the hay
Roughin' up the suspect
Rubbing Bacons
Rubbing one out
Rump splitting
Running the naked Wheel Barrow Race
Saucing the clam
Sawing off a chunk
Schlopping
Schtupping
Screwing
Scrogging
Scrumping
Sewing wild oats
Sexercizing
Shagging
Shaking a skin coat
Shaking the sheets
Shooting the moon
Shooting your wad
Shucking the oyster
Sinking it in
Sinking the Bismarck
Sinking the soldier
Skinning back a freak
Slamming
Slapping skin
Slapping meat
Slicking Willie
Sliding down the banister
Slipping someone the hot Beef injection
Slipping someone the tube steak
Soaking the sheets
Sowing your (wild) oats
Spankin' the cat
Spawning
Spearing the Bearded clam
Spelunking
Splitting the uprights
Stabbing the trout
Star-gazing on your Back
Stirring the cauldron
Storming the trenches
Straightening the meat curtains
Stretching leather
Stroking the newt
Stuffing the Beaver
Stuffing the taco
Stuffin Martha's muffin
Sucking the sugar-stick
Sweating the sheets
Sweaty rompin'
Sweetening the pot
Swiping the V-card
Taking
Taking a Belly-ride
Taking a turn in the stubble
Taking it to the car wash
Taking the starch out of someone
Taking a Break
Taking it downtown
Taking "old one-eye" to the optometrist
Taking the flesh Boat to tuna town
Tearing off a piece
Telling a Bedtime story
Threading the needle
Throwing a leg over
Throwing another log on the fire
Throwing the meat at her
Tossing The Salad
Trading a Bit of hard for a Bit of soft
Training through a tunnel
Trimming the Buff
Varnishing your cane
Visiting the Netherlands
Walking the Dog
Wallpapering the closet
Watering the lawn
Waxing the pole
Wetting the hose
Wetting your wick
Whitewashing
Winding the Kinetic watch
Winding up your clock
Windsurfing on Mount Baldy
Working the hairy oracle
Yodeling in the valley
Yodeling in the gulley
Zallywhacking
Ziggy-wiggling
Zoinkering
Zwooshing the swoosh
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Igneroid
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 07:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Loosly related joke...
Whats the difference between Jam and Jelly???

















Its pretty tuff to Jelly it into the old lady....
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Ducxl
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


.....Oye-Vey.Who was dat guy?
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M1combat
Posted on Sunday, September 14, 2008 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well... I've been there too. I'm glad I didn't get jacked with a club.

That said...


Every time I was there I knew if we got caught I would be.

Risk and reward : ).



I'm all for the Dad and what he did, I'm also all for the teenager and what he was doing as long as he had a sock on.


No, I don't have any daughters. If I do and I find some punk naked in my daughters room he better be smart enough to have left the window wide open, be faster than me and hope he's not on the second floor.


If he turns out to not be an intruder... great. If he is then the bro's get called...
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Skinstains
Posted on Monday, September 15, 2008 - 09:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Any naked man in my house (not using the bathroom) will get hit in the head with a bat.
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Pammy
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I can tell you that if I saw a man/boy in my daughters room in the middle of the night, my concern would not be for the "guest". It would be for my daughter. I would react in the same way.
I might even drag out the bolt cutters...Ha Ha.
I suggest if you are willing to take the risks in entering someones domicile without prior invitation from the deed holder, HTFU and suffer the consequences if you should get caught.
They way I see it, the Dad was doing his job. The "victim" is the whiney bitch.

Right on Glitch!
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M2statz
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 11:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

WOW! As once being a hormonal male teenager I was in kind of the same spot, I WAS told by the female that the parents were away for the weekend so it would be cool to come over, the parents were only out for Friday night fish fry and came home earlier than expected, being not quite naked but close enough, parents did drag me out by the ears, swift kicks to the arse included, phone calls were made to my parents which resulted in more arse kickings and other punishment. I am just glad that there were no pipes around, the punishment was justified. Lesson learned? No, we have been married for 17 years on 19 Sept. Point being, stranger in my house gets whats coming with what ever is handy. As far as the teenager issue, education is always best. My twins boys are only 5 but they KNOW the difference between right and wrong. Lets hope it stays that way.
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Kyrocket
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Now there's a light in the storm. 17 years, you don't see that very often anymore, and it's getting less and less. Happy early anniversary M2, it always makes me feel good to see big anniversaries like that. My wife and I just celebrated our ninth last month although we've been together for 16 years.
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M2statz
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We have been together for 20 years. I just realized that is half my life. With the same woman...
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Right on Glitch!
The Queen has spoken!

With regards to marriage longevity, Ann and I will have been married for 17 years this November. Happily I might add.
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M2statz
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good on ya Glitch!! And Thanks Kyrocket. I do not think that there is anything that I would change in the last 20 years with my wife. Except may be having the twins when my Dad was still alive, but then who's to say that we would have had twins then?
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Pammy
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 12:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Happy Anniversay everyone. Wes and I have been married for over half my life(not his). (one of us is ooooold) Ha Ha
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 01:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ann will be able to say the same in a couple of years. Wes and I have that in common, it'll be a while before I've been married half my life.
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We had a buddy in high school who had one of the original TINY Honda-cars with the 600cc air cooled motors. 4 of us could lift and walk with it.

He went over to his ladyfriend's place when her parents were away for the weekend and we decided that his little Honda Car needed to be "parked" behind their swimming pool in an area that COULDN'T be driven out of. We actually got 8 of us - a couple 4x4's across under the car, we all lifted it and walked it around the back yard, placing it gently behind the pool as part of the landscaping.

Apparently he had to do some pretty FAST talking when Mommy and Daddy came home the next day!

(and they're still married to this day almost 30 years later)
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Bads1
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 02:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The kid wouldn't have to worry about me. The dog's would have their way with him. I guess you could say they are doing what they were bred to do..... and why I love them sooo.
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Jb2
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 What Glitch said.

A man's home is his castle. If another man chooses to enter his home without consent he should be in fear of his life. Injure or kill first, ask questions later.

Good on Glitch and Pammy! Kim and I have been married going on 33 years. We both turn 50 this year. I wouldn't trade it for the world. Some things are meant to be.

Observation; opposing views came from a fella who has neither a spouse or children. Me thinks this would change his whole perspective if he were in "papa's shoes." It sure changed mine.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Marraige longevity?

Hmm... I had a failed engagement 9 months before the big day, so that's a -9 months for me.

Am I the biggest loser? lol
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Kyrocket
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, depending on what may or may not have happened you may be the biggest winner.
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Doon
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My wife and I have "together" 14 years today. Married for almost 7 of them. 4 more years and we will been together longer than we've been apart.

-patrick
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Observation; opposing views came from a fella who has neither a spouse or children. Me thinks this would change his whole perspective if he were in "papa's shoes." It sure changed mine.
I thought of that, but at that time I wasn't willing to feed the fire.
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We live in a time when 16 year old boy and girl friends vacation unsupervised in Florida together. A guy I know.

We live in a time when 14 year old boy and girl friends have sex in their parents homes with the parents full knowledge and even when they are home. A lady I work with.

We live in a time when teenagers party ends up with group sex, the parents walk in and walk back out, and laugh about it.

We have pregnancy pacts.

NOT IN MY HOME.

Parents need to be parents first.
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 05:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Right on Jerry!

I hear too often from a "friend" of mine that he's scared his son won't like him if...
Being a parent isn't about being liked!
Sure my sons and I get along, we talk, we play, but they know who and what I am. When it's time to be serious I have no problem with pissing them off if that's what happens.
Usually though, they know what the outcome is going to be. One thing I am is consistent.
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Jlnance
Posted on Tuesday, September 16, 2008 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


Observation; opposing views came from a fella who has neither a spouse or children. Me thinks this would change his whole perspective if he were in "papa's shoes." It sure changed mine.


I've got a daughter, and a couple of observations.

It's funny to talk about cleaning the guns when the date shows up, but we should be real here. If my daughter invites some boy into the house and has sex with him, my problem should be with HER. She is the one I'm responsible for and she is the one breaking my rules.

There are valid reasons to whack someone with a pipe. This isn't one of them. There is no self defense here, the guy was just trying to teach someone a lesson. That's assault, just like it would be if you hit someone with a pipe cause you didn't like the way they looked at your Buell. I've got a son too. If your daughter invites him in and you hit him, I'd be PISSED.
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Jb2
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 08:32 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

jlnance,

In some ways I couldn't agree with you more. Parenting is key. We're lucky to have raised two wonderful kids who are responsible and on their own now. We never had the problems that the poor guy had who inspired this thread.

Having said that, I will defend my home against ALL intruders. If I were awakened in the night to a stranger in the house I'm not asking questions first to determine my legal position. In my mind the intruder has already violated my space regardless if he was invited in or not.

JB2
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Miamiuly
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 08:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Intruder- that's funny.

I'm glad none of my friend's parents ever freaked out when they came home and found me there playing with my friends. (legally the same as we are only talking about the leagallity of being invited in by someone who LIVES there.)

I mean I certainly did not get THEIR permission to enter the house when I walked in with my friend.

I never said I wouldn't be pissed, and maybe even lose it on the guy. I just know enough to know that it isn't Okay to try to kill him when my daughter is 50 or 60 percent guilty as well.

Some of the comments in this thread make me feel a lot better and safer about Miami.

Thanks.

We have a castle law here but I'm sure the father would go down due to the fact that the kid DID NOT enter the house illegally no matter how you feel as king of your home.

I wish this thread would die or that I could ignore it, but I like to see where the vigalantism runs strongest.

I'll take my chances with road ragers over self-rightous defenders.

The good thing is most of the people here seem to be involved with their kids so less chance of having this happen. Slightly less....


The father in this story is not a parent and deserves what happens for not being involved and actually parenting.

Popping out a kid doesn't make a parent, raising the kid well does.

And no I have no kids, I know, that somehow makes me less of a person/American. Didn't learn a thing from being a kid and didn't recieve that magical genetic parenting upgrade automatically for getting someone pregnant.

Guess I can't run for office anytime soon.

(Message edited by miamiuly on September 17, 2008)

(Message edited by miamiuly on September 17, 2008)
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Pammy
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"And no I have no kids, I know, that somehow makes me less of a person/American. Didn't learn a thing from being a kid and didn't recieve that magical genetic parenting upgrade automatically for getting someone pregnant."

I don't think that is the sentiment of anyone here. I know it does not mirror mine. I think what was meant by the "neither a spouse or children" post was that you can't walk in someones shoes if the shoes don't fit.
You are DEFINITELY NOT a parent if you have NO children. Not even a fifty fifty chance there. You can try to imagine how a parent would feel, but you will never really know. Is there a lower classification for those who choose not to pro-create? Absolutely not. Hell, most of us, that are parents, may even envy you from time to time. Do we look down on you? Nope.
Being a Mother? Now there is whole other death sentence. I almost shot a young man(2 actually) for peeking into my daughters window...I called the local constabulary, who showed up and caught the young men. They turned out to be from my daughters school. I told them that they were not allowed on my property and that was my rule.(in front of the sherriff...at his instruction) Now had my daughter invited him to/in our home(she wouldn't), he still would have gone to jail for trespassing. My house/My rule. So sez the law.

I must agree with JB2 on this one. I am typically not a violent person, but don't mess with my children.

Let me ask this. What would any of you do to(or like to do to) the scum that might sell your child heroin, crack, ecstasy, alcohol or the like? Your child may be a willing consumer, but I think you would still like to crack the dealer in the head.

I'm a Mother of a Mother...

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M2statz
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

+1 Pammy I agree. My twins are not to that age yet but as I posted before they do KNOW the difference between right and wrong and that does come from the parents. One can not rely on outside help anymore, even the schools have their hands tied when it comes to disciplinary actions. The boys started Kindergarten this month and the list of do's and don'ts with reprocussions was impressive to say the least. Point being, like Glitch, Pammy and others have said, be the adult and parent, use good judgement and good things will happen.
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Ducxl
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 12:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The law is the law.

When you club someone over the head you can cause BRAIN DAMAGE.You cannot adjust the swing of the club to NOT cause BRAIN DAMAGE.

I'm lucky my wife's father(the Doctor),when i was dating her back in 1986
that he welcomed me as his own.

If he thought i was inebriated when i dropped her off he'd send US to her room to sleep it off.

More often than not i later faked being drunk.then i moved in for two years before we got our own place.


I'm EXTREMELY sensitive with regards to BRAIN TRAUMA.Through multiple personal experience

(Message edited by Ducxl on September 17, 2008)
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Jb2
Posted on Wednesday, September 17, 2008 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Miamiuly,

You bring up some good points which I think Pammy addresses very well. She's right about not being able to speak as a parent if you aren't one. That was my only point. It sure doesn't make you less of a person.

On the intruder part... I've walked into many friends' homes when I was a youngin' and we have had many kids at our house when our children were living at home. All came through the front door with one of ours and were always respectful and welcomed. Not intruders in my book. BUT, if a boy would have came through the bedroom window to have sex with our daughter he would have been fair game on the hunting range. There's no way in hell that boy didn't know he was doing wrong. Just because the girl invited him doesn't make it okay. He still knew he was breaking house rules once he made the decision to enter. At that point he became an intruder.

JB2
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