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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Perhaps it was simply a money lending scheme of some-sort. MV was in financial trouble. Like Trojan said, I ain't buyin the "we wanted more shelf space for HD products" I think HD has reached the saturation point and is a bit lost on how best to continue to grow. They already have their name on everything from beef jerky to hardhats. The problem w
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Tm74
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's very possible. I'm sure there is some type of investment potential in it of some sort, besides the "floor space."

I wonder if H-D has their name on any Bacon(notice the capitalization)? No real meal is complete without Bacon. It goes with everything. They could even add it to their clothing line. Who wouldn't want a jacket proudly displaying strips of Bacon?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What would be the attraction for MV if it were only a money play? If the interest rate were the same or higher than what they could get in the open market, what would be the attraction?

Conversely, if the interest rates were lower than what is prevalent in the market place, why would HD want to play?

My understanding was that HD assumed MV's current debt totaling $225M. I'm assuming they plan on getting that back.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm just throwing it out there as a possibility. Maybe MV couldn't get a loan, considering they were experiencing financial difficulties. Anyone know what MV's sales were for 07?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not being confrontational. Just providing an alternative viewpoint.

Sorry it came off abrasive.
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Teddagreek
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

First thing first....

They need to go in and clean house and fire the Idiot suits who scuttled MV in the first place.. I've heard there was a lot of waste and excessive spending


No use buying the ship if you keep the drunk Captain..



What do they Gain?

Great Brand..
Technology and hard working people committed to the company..
Ability to help MV lower prices..

*Possibility of Buell being sold outside HD dealerships...
Current MV dealers on approval could have the option to carry buell as well...

We have lost so many buell dealerships, It has to be very frustrating that your local dealer no longer sells buell or carrys parts and your only choice is to drive or order on the phone or net..

*Possibility of stand alone dealer ships..
MV's
Buell
Cagiva
Scooters
Other price Point motorcycles
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

225 Million... for that you "get" a top notch designer, several completely developed and highly competitive "niche" bikes, and a nearly legendary brand name.

MV, Like Buell, probably also has several "partially developed" designs, and HD got those as well.

And a dealer network is a dealer network, particularly in Europe, where I have to assume the nanny regulators and confiscatory taxing structure makes it pretty hard to do *anything* worth while ; )

I wonder if owning a EU company gives any advantages with exchange rates or taxing / tarriff?

Dunno if the math works, but there are some definite assets for HD there.
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Oddball
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I hear good things about this Ducati/MV Dealer.

http://www.ducpond.com/

Might be an asset to Buell to see if Donnie Unger would be interested in carrying the line.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ability to help MV lower prices..

I had a long drawn out debate on just this idea:

http://www.twowheelfix.com/f9/go-buy-an-mv-agusta- now-t1914/

They felt there was absolutely not possible way that HD could help to reduce costs. I felt differently.

I also feel that adding Buell to MV shops could help to increase distribution, but I don't think that a 100% swap over to MV shops is the answer unless the network is expanded. A dedicated MV/Buell dealership would be awesome as long as there is sufficient distribution. I don't want to have to drive 250 miles to buy or service a Buell.
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Court
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Harley-Davidson, regardless of how your Sportster handled, how you feel about the Topper or the Softail, knows a thing or two about manufacturing motorcycles.

No manufacturer, none that survived anyway, has ever had their backs to the wall and rebounded like the Milwaukee folks.

I like to scamper about and poke at them from time to time but I never loose sight of the fact that they are VERY GOOD at what they do.

They also don't let their fingers get pried from cash easily.

They have a plan.

What if it had not one thing to do with any of the possible scenarios mentioned thus far?
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Slaughter
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Gee - this IS more fun than the 2010 model speculation!

(Oh, wait a minute... has the speculation started yet???)
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What if it had not one thing to do with any of the possible scenarios mentioned thus far?

I tend to believe you're correct. Care to throw your two cents into the speculation?
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Associated Press Aug. 2010

East Troy, WI:

Buell Motorcyle Company has announced plans to build the industry's first high performance 3-wheeled trike. "We've finally come to the realization that our core customers aren't getting any younger and we needed to find a way to keep them upright and mobile", said Erik Buell, CTO of BMC.

On a side note, Court Canfield will be making a publicity tour around the country promoting the new "bike" along with his latest book, "25 Years of Buell Flushed Down the Toilet by Harley Davidson".

Buell Motorcycle Company is currently owned by Bombardier, a purchase made while Harley Davidson was filing Federal bankruptcy in May of 2009.


(Message edited by buellinachinashop on August 18, 2008)
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Court
Posted on Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - 07:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I can go you a press release that's much better than that . . .

These are great times.
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