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Tramp
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 07:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080813/ap_on_go_ot/sp ies_revealed
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Hotrats
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

interesting.
i had read this about her a few years ago.
a friend of mine's mother was OSS during the war. she has passed now, would loved to heard her stories.
a book - a man called intrepid - made into a movie, told w. donovans'& the OSS story.
very good reading
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Slaughter
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Except Julia Child's role was not as urban legend would have it; 'twas more administrative. Nothing as dramatic as being a "secret agent" would imply.

Don't mean to downplay ANY administrative role in ANY way. HUGE administrative support was required for all the military (and paramilitary) operations. She was able to find direction in her life after a kind of youthful aimless wandering through college (Brokaw: The Greatest Generation - I remember reading it somewhere but am too lazy to go look it up)

Valerie Plame had a more exotic role up until... oh, never mind.

(Message edited by slaughter on August 13, 2008)
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Plame is a joke. It's not a covert opp when your husband writes an editorial on the topic for the New York Times.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Furthermore, Plame worked at Langley when she was "outed", which is hardly a secret installation.
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Tramp
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 09:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

oooohhh...
"experts" on the company.
please tell us more, mr. Ludlum!
What else did Mr. Clancy tell you?
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

all the work that doesnt involve shooting live ammo at a target is admin.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 02:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Again,

Nothing at all wrong with admin work. Its' just that Julia Child WAS employed by OSS but didn't do any field work (though she tried)

Of course, you can say that OF COURSE she would deny doing fieldwork.

She was as much a field operative as Ms Plame.

The outing of Plame WAS a felony. The fact that no charges stuck against Rove for the "outing" and Novak for publication is criminal in itself.

Now, WHAT was the subject? Who was the jerk that brought Plame into this??? Where's my smiley?????

(Message edited by slaughter on August 14, 2008)
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Corporatemonkey
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 04:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

During her service Julia concocted a very effective shark repellent.
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Plame was, no matter how you slice it, and whether or not you like it, a soldier.
Flipping her was treasonous, period.

We all know who did it, and , likely,
why.
The "Why" doesn't matter, one iota, but treason warrants the firing squad, in my book.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 09:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In this case, I'm in agreement with the Trampmeister.

NOBODY has a right to make public ANY sensitive material in ANY form. There are requirements (and TONS of paperwork) for the smallest "inadvertent disclosure" and yet a DELIBERATE disclosure gets buried?

I'm ashamed and embarrassed to see that having happened.

I'm also tickled that celebrities such as Julia Child performed LEGITIMATE duties during THE War. Many others are well known to have served in many capacities. Hell, Eddie Albert's account of piloting a landing craft delivering Marines to the shores of Tarawa is harrowing. Jack Palance being nearly burned to death... Jimmy Stewart, Lee Marvin. SOUPY SALES on the beach at Normandy! And everybody's "HERO" John Wayne was able to have his attorneys keep him out of combat in order to do his film work. OK, yeah, propoganda films are as much a part of the war effort as combat but sheeesh.

I still think it's cool that Julia Child goes much deeper than her stockpot!!.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Outing a spy should be a criminal act, no question.

If I were Joe Wilson, I would have either accepted the mission, made my report, and kept my mouth shut... or I would have declined the mission, decided if the risk of exposing my "spy" wife and jeapordizing her career was worth the cost of exercising my free speech rights, and only then started the newspaper editorials.

But maybe thats just me.

(Here is the latest article by the way...
http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20080706_I raq_s_nuclear__yellowcake__moved_to_Canada.html)
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Plame is a joke. It's not a covert opp when your husband writes an editorial on the topic for the New York Times."


maybe that was the pint.

there are some very funny levels to I work, involving doing precisely the thing that would make anyone say "NAAAhhhh"
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Project Blue Book .... Heres your Smiley
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Aesquire
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 03:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm glad we all agree that the state dept. guy who talked to Novak should have been investigated. Richard Armitage right?

Cool about Child.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 14, 2008 - 04:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

maybe that was the pint.




Agreed. After my 5th pint, I'm libel to say *anything*. : )
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Tramp
Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 05:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

" If I were Joe Wilson... "

You're not, neither am I.
Vapid conjecture about the assignment of jobs
in that sector means nothing, coming from either of us.

" IF I were the king of the world...
Tell you what I'd do..."

-RIP Hoyt}
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Friday, August 15, 2008 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You know Tramp, the more I read your stuff, the more I wish you were back out here for a drink and a sit down. Maybe the vacation gods will smile on me and I can get to do the HHR in Oct. (where is my bunny suit?)

Vapid Conjecture... I owe you a nickel every time I use it for royalties ; )
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