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Aesquire
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 04:06 pm: | 
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Ah! but the city was saved..... or at least the 1/2 was.
Even the fall of the Iron Curtain was a mixed blessing. The question is, Is Russia going Imperialist....and... what is the right thing to do, if they are or not? |
Swampy
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 04:35 pm: |
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I was reading in the news that experts believe Russia/Russians launched a Cyber attack towards Georgian internet prior to the land invasion. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Sunday, August 17, 2008 - 05:34 pm: |
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did they crash all their porn sites ? j/k
a targeted attack on C3 is always a good idea before rolling hardware. (Command, control, communications) Knock out telephones, servers, and cell phone towers, you can cripple a city. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, August 18, 2008 - 09:34 am: |
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In addition to exposing themselves as warmonging thugs that they truly are, the Putin regime has made a huge miscalculation.
Ukraine Offers Satellite Defense Cooperation with Europe and US
That some seek to blame Georgia for this is unfortunate. There was no diplomacy initiative from Russia, no UN appeal, no marshalling of dozens of free nations supporting the invasion. There was only bare naked brutality and aggression.
George Will nailed it. |
Lledlaw
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 05:55 pm: |
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Mmmm.
Aggression takes many forms.
When the US sponsored a time table for Georgia to become a NATO member in April the Ukraine also formed part of that deal. To date 9 (could be more) ex soviet block states are NATO members and very recently Poland agreed to host US defence missiles, Ukraine are thinking they may do similar.
Who is being aggressive here? Overtly Russia is for sure but covertly so is the US; both states are aggressive in this instance the difference is tactics.
Regan, the Bush's and Clinton all pursued an "off" US soil defence model - I think we are now see the fruits of many years work.
This is a big chess game in which people are being killed, Sth Ossetians for their freedom from Georgia and hopeful unification with Nth Ossetia, Georgians for their alliance with the US and Russians because a now prosperous Russia is flexing it's muscles albeit small muscles at present but with every passing year they are getting stronger. Everyone is fighting for a different cause.
It has been mentioned in this thread that this conflict is about oil I’m not so sure. |
Ferris_von_bueller
| | Posted on Thursday, August 21, 2008 - 07:52 pm: |
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All great empires owe their success to exploitation. There are winners and losers. Science hasn't yet given the world a path to equality. In the meantime, I want to be on the winning team. |
Lledlaw
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 03:06 am: |
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No argument from me.
My point is that propaganda on all sides dilutes the discussion and only polarises opinion. A little honesty in politics might help here.
...and let’s not kid ourselves that events like these are a surprise. They are not; I’m sure that bodies in the Whitehouse and Kremlin alike are saying "it’s great when a plan comes together". |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 03:18 am: |
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They are not a surprise, they are more like the fat kid pushing in line to get the dessert, the playground bully hogging the swings, or girl that slaps you for giving her cooties.
Just with tanks, APCs, Jets, a couple of helicopters, seized ports, destroyed airfields and cities under curfew, hundreds killed, thousands displaced. It is all playground antics. |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 - 02:19 pm: |
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Equate defensive cooperation among allies, freedom loving nations all, to the violent murderous invasion of one such ally by a thugish bullying aggressor seeking to squelch freedom?
Some folks can't let pass any opportunity to blame America first.
Let me guess, next we'll hear that we did the same in Iraq? 
Me? I'm with Kobe Bryant.
(Message edited by Blake on August 22, 2008) |
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