| Author | Message | ||
     Xandersam |
Oh no, it's going to take too long, waaah-ha-ha, let's not do it. If we hadn't been sitting on our butts this long we wouldn't be in this situation. Face it, WE NEED OIL. I am all for alternatives as well. If there is a market for it, it will happen. | ||
| Brumbear |
No we want oil and thats ok I am for using it but get some electric cages out there and lower the price I aint really worried about the enviremental green as much as the dead president green | ||
| Aesquire |
Ryker, those numbers look like a practical hybrid is not too far beyond the reach of a consumer. The Toyota is a real nice machine, but the gas and/or electric system that makes it transparent to the driver which systems are propelling him add a lot of cost & complexity. ( want to bet the computer in the Prius is better than everything NASA had during Apollo? ) Full size van with electric drive recharged by a 40 hp diesel and plug in at home would be perfect for my wants. As far as not drilling because it won't get to your house for 5 ( the oil companies guess ) to 10 ( politicians guess ) years is simply saying "screw the children". Since the same bozo's who said it would take too long 10 years ago are saying the same exact thing today, if we HAD drilled in ANWR in 1998 ( the hottest year since 1932 ) we'd have that oil in our bikes today. Instead, pricey fuel all around, a worldwide financial slump because of high energy costs, and very very rich OPEC members laughing all the way to the bank. I'm sure that drilling off the coast would NOT solve the energy problem completely. It would lower prices today & give a little more breathing room before the crash. At least part of the problem is that some people believe, & they may be right, that the oil will run out & we will be fat, dumb, & happy right up until we die, frozen in our tracks. Unless they force us to change our habits, we won't. These people ( Al Gore is one ) will lie to your face, since their cause is more important than your rights or the truth or anything. There are lots of examples of the dishonesty of the greenies. The goals include no more suburbs, no more private ownership of land or vehicles and state controlled housing, labor & life. Think Soviet housing blocks & green police monitoring your thermostat. Still, the logic is there for all to see. If we do not get more efficient with using the old energy sources & come up with new power, we are screwed. When? I dunno. Eventually the oil runs out & if we don't have the new stuff ready, we won't be able to build it. The current crisis is partly because of India & China having lives that don't suck as much as a few years ago. You want the world to have the lifestyle of Sudan? Go move there, I like western civ. We need more new cheap power. I repeat, we can't convert to electric cars, no matter how good the battery, until we have more power to feed them. | ||
| Cowboy |
Aesquire you are right for the most part .what most people dont under stand is that we need to get out 18 wheelers runing they are what keep this country going. at near $5.00 a gal our food source will sky rocket it is not the family car (SUV included)I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN ON THIS PLANET IS NOT BIN LADIN IT IS AL GORE I am tired of the left punishing America because they dont like George Bush as I see it the way he has tried to drill and the left want have it he may go down in history as the president with the most for sight in history. Now want that be a kick in the ass. | ||
| Brumbear |
we do not need to drill more thats bullshit just open the the dericks they are sitting on but to change the price forever we have to have alternitives periodthats the best long term situation I would love to see an electric SEMI it would be awsome. The delivery trucks of the early teens and 20's were all solid tire electrics believe it or not | ||
| Cowboy |
Bear I can tell by your post you know next to nothing about oil production, Sea to sea is a long way inter city is nothing by comparison the U.S.A. is just beginning when you clear the city. | ||
| Aesquire |
Brumbear, if they could pull a profit from the old wells they would. They do, where they can. I personally think ANWR is not the best answer. ( and the pipeline should go through Canada, probably ) The Dakotas may be, but not the Rocky Mountain oil shale unless they can get it out with very, very little water, since that is the scarce resource in Colorado. We have to test the techniques. To put this issue in perspective, let's say the vital resource is not oil, but gold. Gold is needed for engineering purposes, as electrical contacts, monomolecular films, and corrosion resistant coatings. Oh, yeah, some wear it as bling. Most gold comes from Russia, Africa, etc. If Congress had imposed windfall profits taxes on the American gold producers, so that they reduced mining here, and invested in S. African gold mines instead, we might be in a rising cost situation where speculators made mad money on rising gold prices.... like now. If half of congress said we can't mine our way out of the gold crisis, because it would take too long, and at the same time said they wanted to socialize gold production so that they could control ( the internet ) computer consumption & Ipod use, what would you think? That they were acting in our best interests? Strict EPA regulations raise the price, as evil greedy people just leave the tailings & by products of gold refining laying about poisoning the land & water. Even so, having a domestic gold production could keep us from being blackmailed by the S. Africans or Russians. The analogy is not perfect, but you get the idea. | ||
| Brumbear |
Ok I will admit it I do not know much about oil production I do know people who get paid not to open the oil up on there property which I must admit I don't understand other than control . I also see on the news toyota prius now has solar pannels on it to drive the AC. I do know a little more than the city though Cowboy and I know when I am being lied to and record profits and completely having to change ones life to adjust to the rise of price in anything smells like a RAT to me. I just believe hole heartedly we are getting the shaft and if we do not get alternitives to offset the situation we will drive the stake in deeper. This is not a subject I would feel good about an I told you so post either. | ||
| Ducxl |
I do know people who get paid not to open the oil up on there property Paid??? By whom? This goes against Capitalism. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Basically it all comes down to a HUGE conspiracy between the Republican government and the big oil companies. We have no proof or evidence at all, but the FACT is that the government helps the oil companies to make money by destroying efficient technologies and paying people not to drill. The best technologies (discovered years ago in Roswell, NM) have been held in secret for years. They want us to pay more, wreck our economy, and pollute the air. That way, the big companies win through more profits. | ||
| Cowboy |
I will not beleave it is republican goverment as the democrat party is in control the allowable can be changed any time they see fit, if they are conceerned about the working man why dont they raise the allowable why would you cut $10,000 per day revenue (per well)if you did not have to. I will not argue about it as I am only concerned about the american public. As I have oil stock hell if it went to $25.00 per gal. I would only make more money. | ||
| Hammeroid |
Who still buys gas?! Syphon it. Much cheaper. Just make sure you don't syphon diesel by accident. | ||
| Bill0351 |
"The best technologies (discovered years ago in Roswell, NM) have been held in secret for years." I am not sure if I follow. Are the Republicans conspiring with, or against the Martians? Barack Obama may be a super-secret Muslim, but at least he isn't conspiring to deny me access to alien technology. Yet another reason to vote Democrat in the next election. Why is the DNC not better exploiting this issue? Bill | ||
| Spatten1 |
Democrats are not smart enough to understand the value of the Martian technologies hidden in the bunkers below the Pentagon, or you might get said access. By the way, it is all kept in the same warehouse as the shit Indiana Jones found in the first movie. I saw something about it on TV, so it must be true. (Message edited by spatten1 on July 07, 2008) | ||
| Aesquire |
Bad news is the Martian tech stuff kills off the females of the species. Why else would Mars Need Women? | ||
| Garryb |
How much oil is in Anwar anyway, is it 25 years worth? 15 years worth? It will wean us off of Arab oil for how long? | ||
| Aesquire |
It would be nice IMHO to have a softer landing as we change the world to a better, cleaner one for the children.....( can I cram another cliche to pluck the heart strings in there? ) Short term, ( 10 years, or twice as long as a politician cares about ) we need more oil to keep prices reasonable as we bring up booze, solar, nuclear, etc. The bad part of cheaper oil, (keeping you from going broke) is it eases the pressure to transition to better forms of energy. Some of which have not been invented. The ANWR debate is pretty obviously a crock of ideological crap. If you have a million acres of park, and want to drill in a thousand acres, then drill, and expand the park another million acres and it's a net win for all. It's a freaking tundra plain! All notable terrain features were scraped flat in the last ice age, and the life forms are pretty boring. Why not drill? Ditto for offshore. Keep it clean, get the oil. It's best if we can be far less dependent on oil sold us by potential & current enemies. Hugo Chavez is the new soviet bankroll guy for Cuba, with our money. This is keeping the people of Cuba enslaved. Iran threatens everyone with the money we gave the Chinese for lead painted toys & poison dog food. ( ok, other stuff too, be fair ) Lots More oppressed people. The fastest, cleanest transition method is to convert existing natural gas & oil electric plants to nuclear, Build the long overdue fuel reprocessing systems, so we can empty the pools of crap scattered around & the material turned to something useful. etc, etc. We need to change from a fossil fuel/combustion economy to a renewable/cleaner one. The obstacles are huge, since internal combustion engines are the most compact form of power available in most portable applications. Example, electric chainsaws are tied to your power grid ( coal/gas/oil plants of enormous size ) or a fume spewing generator you have to haul around on an ATV trailer to get to the trees you want to cut. A Husky gas chainsaw is far more useful over a hundred feet from the outlet. Even if you ran the chainsaw on booze, ( possible but tricky in cold weather ) you still have to use the IC engine for the performance & portability. Today, there are no nuclear chainsaws, cars or trucks available to lead us into a green future, so we have a long way to go. We need to actually build large scale solar projects, both ground & space based, to properly judge the environment impact. But first we need to drive to work. | ||
| Lost_in_ohio |
Has anyone caught T. Boone Pickens ad? You guys keep blaming the oil companys. WE are the problem. How far do you drive to work? How many Cars, trucks, boats and motorcycles do you own? How many days a week do you drive? How many gallons of oil do you consume for fuel a day? I have friends in Colorado that live in Fort Collins and commute to Denver every day to work. 140 miles a day commuting. She is bitching now. How far do you commute a day? Ever consider not driving for a day. Social responsibility vs. Personal whats. Remember there is no more oil and when it is gone it is gone. | ||
| Chainsaw |
...WE are the problem...How many gallons of oil do you consume for fuel a day? Agreed...but my theory is: The quicker we burn all the oil, the quicker we come up with an alternative that keep us from being beholden to Middle Eastern Countries. If oil starts trading in Euros instead of Dollars, we're in big trouble. Word has it Iran has been proposing such a change. P.S. My commute is 4.8 miles one way. I burn a gallon of gas A WEEK on my bike(s) to commute...till it starts snowing again anyway. DRILL ANWR NOW. What is keeping the Canadians from tapping that oil? ANWR is right on the US/CANADA border. Maybe we can lease some space on the Canadian side and use Slant Drilling Rigs. Would the US Public care if we were drilling ANWR from the Canadian side? | ||
| Gtmg |
Everyone has their opinions. I just disagree about the extra drilling. 1. Oil companies aren't paying dramatically more for oil than they did 2 years ago. They have long term contracts or outright own the wells. It just doesn't cost that much more to get oil out of the ground. Prices have gone up under a suspect supply and demand issue and speculation. Notice we are not running out of gas. There is no supply issue anywhere in the world. 2. Since there is no supply issue (really probably for the next 40 years or so) and the oil companies are making strong profits, please help me understand why they would actually have any interest in drilling in ANWR or off the Gulf Coast? I can't imagine any executive wanting to lower the profits of his company. If they really wanted to drill there don't you think they would have their PAC's out in major force with TV adds etc trying to influence politicians? The only people asking for extra drilling in the consumer with most thinking it would be immediate price relief not realizing it is a long cycle. 3. It is more than time for US gov't to give incentives for alternate fuel technology just like they give huge incentives to oil companies. Let just switch the dollars (no tax increase) from oil companies to alternate fuels (not ethanol) and watch the technology blossom. Once again we are the smartest, most productive and most creative work force in the world. There is absolutely no reason we cannot come up with a viable alternative quickly. If we can put a man on the moon with that ancient technology in less than ten years, I guarantee we can come up with an engine that runs on an alternate fuel that can be produced for the masses. Why are we letting ourselves be dependent on the Middle East? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
If oil starts trading in Euros instead of Dollars Not to worry. This is why, despite the whining from the left over the years, the U.S. has cultured a relationship with countries such as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, etc. Iraq is also an OPEC member. Btw, not all countries belong to OPEC. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
some reading to further confuse... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/904748.stm | ||
| Cowboy |
I have watched T Boone for yrs He is a master money man I have watched him take over banks, airlines ect. He is just setting the stage to take over some nuclar power plant or some other energy source business on that part he is right but we still need to drill and fast just watch him. | ||
| Garryb |
Maybe an energy policy that had tax incentives for energy conservation and assistance to convert to more efficient trucks, autos, and heating and cooling? ANWAR is a smoke screen to distract from the fact that we have no energy policy or stratigic direction. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4542853/ | ||
| Chellem |
Isn't an electric car just kinda moving the problem up the chain? Don't we still need oil to furnish the energy to the home, and then to the garage, into which the electric car is plugged? Now, I'm a capitalist. We work in a small business, and I understand the need to show a profit to keep a business strong. I also feel that people who invest their time, money, and in some cases, livlihood, deserve to make good money. But this is an excerpt from forbes.com from March: "Mulva, who's chaired ConocoPhillips (nyse: COP - news - people )' board since October 2004, received a salary of $1.5 million, a performance bonus of $3,442,500 and other compensation of $387,647 that included $35,309 for use of company aircraft, $22,740 for a company car and $20,000 for financial planning services, according to the filing Thursday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The biggest boost to Mulva's pay package was from stock options and awards, which the company valued at about $9.8 million on the date they were granted early last year. Mulva's 2006 compensation was $15 million, including the same $1.5 million salary." And that was for ONE YEAR. And that's not the worst one. $15 Million dollars spent on ONE PERSON'S salary - imagine what their entire payroll must be? What if the top THREE or FOUR paid executives took - gasp - a pay cut to a mere 1 or 2 million for a year or so, and everyone else followed suit? Would THAT affect the prices? I don't know. I don't have the ability to do the math. But hearing how much these people make a year, while watching people skrimp and save and go into debt just to put gas in their car to buy GROCERIES makes me sick. I could live pretty comfortably on a mere $1 or $2 million a year. How about you? ->ChelleM | ||
| Dalton_gang |
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/ 198/12131/?ck=1 Pay attention to the time line and oil prices. 30 years of talk did nothing! | ||
| Aesquire |
Chellem, yes, you need more power plants to go to electric cars. The odds are, they will be natural gas, because it's cheaper to make a natural gas boiler, since it needs less pollution controls than an oil or coal boiler. That's the major reason that natural gas is more expensive. ( that and congress's restrictions on domestic development. ) If you heat with NG, keep that in mind as you pay your bill. I really am a bit jealous of the rich guys in the oil industry. That whole class envy thing is hard to avoid. It's also a bit bogus. Aside from class envy as a tool of the leftist to promote the revolution, it's kind of silly. That A-Rod guy I hear about makes way more money that I do, so we should have a windfall ball player salary tax? Tom Cruise no way works more hours a year than I do. When do I get to jump on Oprah's sofa? Silly in context. You don't like what a company president makes, buy the company & bitch at a stock holder meeting. Outside & in. Let me know how that goes. I know I am unhappy when I hear my supervisor makes a bonus of half my yearly salary when I do my job. Not a lot I can do about that. If I make 8% profit ( the current claim for the oil companies ) on $50 a bbl oil, it's $4 a bbl. If it's $100 a bbl, I make $8. If I sell more bbl's I make more. India, China, the U.S., and the rest of the planet are using more oil than ever. How can I NOT make a record profit? I'd be good on a million a year! Think I should invest in T.Boone's venture? Oh! anyone else notice that 2 weeks ago it was the evil oil companies that were at fault, last week the evil oil speculators, and never ever the politicians who spend all the taxes, lease money, and decide energy policy? (Message edited by aesquire on July 14, 2008) | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Will work for gas | ||
| Aesquire |
http://www.anncoulter.com/ July 16th editorial. Ann's job is to be partisan, sarcastic, and torque people off. Still, I didn't see any factual errors. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2NjNDQ4MmQwYWRmZDEyZmRhODBmODE3NDViZDg2MzA= The folks over at OPEC, the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries, must think we’re pretty stupid. The other day, Chakib Khelil, the current OPEC president, asserted that “the intrusion of bioethanol on the market” is responsible for 40 percent of recent increases in the price of oil. Now how exactly would that work? How does growing sugarcane in Brazil or corn in Iowa push up the price of oil sucked from holes in the ground in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Venezuela? If we roasted the corn and put the sugar in coffee — instead of making it into alcohol fuels — would oil prices go up less?..... http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDRjYzY3OTg3MzU4ODgxNTYwODMxMTdlY2MwZGRhMTk= In the novel 1984, George Orwell used the word “doublethink” to describe the process of believing two contradictory ideas simultaneously. The concept invites an appropriate but superficial comparison to congressional Democrats’ current approach to gasoline prices. I'm getting convinced that we should drill in every Senator's yard. (Message edited by aesquire on July 17, 2008) | ||
| Chellem |
You don't like what a company president makes, buy the company & bitch at a stock holder meeting. Outside & in. Let me know how that goes. I know I am unhappy when I hear my supervisor makes a bonus of half my yearly salary when I do my job. Not a lot I can do about that. I guess if I DID make a few million a year, I could afford to do that. Of course, those who DO make the multi-millions are probably not going to bitch, eh? So I don't think that plan will play out in the long run. I think you might have misunderstood. I'm not blaming them for the high prices, but what I am saying is that they could take a little responsibility. When they are asked why the prices are so high, they claim they have no control over the market prices - they are what they are. Yet, they're happy to accept the bonuses based on their "productivity", even though by their own words, they have absolutely no control over it? Seems a great deal to stumble ass-backwards into money and then claim hey - what can you do? The market's the market. All I'm saying is that once you get up into the multi-millions as far as an annual income, you've moved into a territory where you actually have to FIND things to spend money on. And for them to sit there and claim it's not their fault, how can I help it if I make all this money? Well that's just rubbing our face into it. This is from a few years ago, but I think the logic still stands: SUMMONED before a Senate subcommittee last fall to explain their industry's record profits, five chief executives of big energy companies were unanimous in explaining that they had no control over the prices set by global oil markets. That was then. Now, as energy companies reveal the year-end bonuses they paid in December — just one month after the hearing — it is becoming evident that many top executives had no qualms about accepting record payouts, even if they were based on profits generated by the same high oil prices that they said they had nothing to do with. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/09/business/busines sspecial/09oil.html?_r=1&oref=slogin So my point is, every dollar (or 4) we spend on gas, some percentage is going to these multi-million dollar guys. If they took a pay cut down to only a FEW million a year, they could 'pass the savings' on to us. I know, it's not going to happen. But like you said, the envy thing. . . They don't have to be SO obnoxious about their income. A supervisor making a few thousand more than me doesn't bother me at all. But some executive making several MILLION, well, that bothers me. ->ChelleM |
