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Chellem
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 10:02 am: | 
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In general , an anoying lot , the way they dress , how some of them ride is frightening.
I believe they'd say about the EXACT same thing about sport bike riders.
Doesn't that just say it all?
->ChelleM |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 10:15 am: |
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Light beer drinkers are wimps. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 10:21 am: |
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Wasn't that the Homecoming battle cry  |
Hr_puffinstuff
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 10:35 am: |
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chelle> yes. too bad more riders don't see the irony in this.
i have two pre-requisits.
1) two wheels and a motor
2) you have to actually RIDE the damn thing!
you either put your knees in the breeze, or you don't. |
Regkittrelle
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 11:37 am: |
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Hoser...
I'm not sure that you're serious, or maybe it's a bit of the Canadian humor at play. Help me out here..
"Unproven / untested new designs being released and sold..."
I often have this complaint with Buell, but not the Harley itself. What are you referring to here?
"Todays Harley customers are for the most part a bunch of whining pansies , throwing a hissy fit over issues that in my opinion are of little significance. Few of them are capable of simple adjustments such as tightening a mirror ."
This is strong commentary; care to give some examples? This type of behavior is evident, but within EVERY brand community.
"Others ,who fancy themselves as being handy can do serious harm in an attempt to bolt on the latest crap they "won" on ebay."
I'm in partial agreement with you, but within a much narrower scope. What often happens is that a man will reach a certain station in life that allows the purchase of a Harley. Usually this person is ignorant of motorcycles... he just wants to own what he's lusted after since his teen years. Often it is his first motorcycle, which means he didn't grow up disassembling the kitchen appliances, trying to enhance the performance of dad's power mower or, in general,twisting wrenches.He is the prototypical owner often referenced in the anecdotes of those not enamored of the brand. And he should be kept away from the tool box. But the Harley is very mechanically enticing; the motor sits there for all to see; nuts and bolts in the forefront. Our new owner can find this hard to resist and, often doesn't. The result is a new set of tools, and then an expensive trip to the service counter at his dealer.
(BTW: During the tube frame era, MANY of the so-called problems that I came across were caused by owners... and they usually involved the exhaust system.)
In the not-to-distant past to own a motorcycle was to be involved with it. You knew that at some point it was going to let you down. Cell phones were non-existent, and AAA avoided you like the plague you were. You had to be mechanically competent, or learned to like long, lonely hikes in the moonlight (Many of the problems happened at night because of the added stress of the lights being on.) Also, less adventurous wimmenfolk avoided you as they knew, at some point, they'd be charged with sitting with the broken bike as you trudged off for help.
"In general , an anoying lot , the way they dress , how some of them ride is frightening."
Well, at least you said "some." |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 12:02 pm: |
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In the not-to-distant past to own a motorcycle was to be involved with it. You knew that at some point it was going to let you down. Cell phones were non-existent, and AAA avoided you like the plague you were.
Damn, ain't that the truth. My first bike was a 1976 KZ400 purchased for a few hundred bucks. That thing was in pieces on the kitchen floor so much that my college roomates still tease me about it.
What often happens is that a man will reach a certain station in life that allows the purchase of a Harley. Usually this person is ignorant of motorcycles... he just wants to own what he's lusted after since his teen years. Often it is his first motorcycle
I see this as a huge proportion of HD owners, but they are not really the white collar types that I saw in CA and on the East Coast. The baby boomers in CO are often working class and save for years to get that Harley.
I'm not sure that you're serious, or maybe it's a bit of the Canadian humor at play. Help me out here..
"Unproven / untested new designs being released and sold..."
I often have this complaint with Buell, but not the Harley itself. What are you referring to here?
The fuel injection is a good example of this, where HD nailed it and Buell did not.
(Message edited by spatten1 on July 14, 2008) |
Jb2
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 12:26 pm: |
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Reg,
My fourth motorcycle was a Harley(MSR100-Baja). I've owned four since then and four different Buells. I guess for a long time I was one of those Harley zealots. My pop loved Harleys and lost his life on one. BUT...(you knew this was coming )
A month after I bought my first Buell the HD dealer quit selling them and virtually refused to work on them any longer. When I bought my third Buell it was from a dealer that had dropped the line so they gave me a bargain basement price. They even threw in all of their dealer posters and displays cause they didn't want them in their shop.
I had a good friend that was caught up in the Buell fever and bought one of the first wide body M2's. He had nothing but problems and the Harley dealer he bought it from refused to do any other work on it at one point. The motor NEVER sounded right. It ate speedo sensors like I do a steak and barely had oil pressure. He rode the bike very conservatively but the motor grenaded anyway. With three days left on his warranty he took it to the HD dealer and they had quit selling Buells. They further informed him that he'd be "lucky" if any other dealer would help him. He made numerous phone calls to Buell(HD) Customer Service but they told him it was something he had to work out with the dealer. He made many trips back and forth to Kokomo to get it resolved. Another dealer took on his claim and tried to submit it after the warranty was up. To their surprise, or not, the selling dealer had never logged any of the warranty work and according to Buell(HD) Customer Service his bike had NEVER had a problem. He paid four years of payments to HD Motor Co. on a bike he only rode a year. It's still in pieces in his garage, the victim of an oil pump failure from day one.
Very simply... a lot of Harley riders look down on the Buells. Many dealers won't take a level of interest that gives consumers the confidence they'll be taken care of. Many dealers won't take the time to help out a Buell owner or even care about getting repairs done right. I've had the poorest dealer work done(while at Homecoming) by one of the biggest dealers in the country. It's not hard to understand why there's friction between the two siblings. And it's always easy to throw stones at the biggest target(HD) when you're working out frustrations.
I'm riding a Vic now but I still have a soft spot for a Harley. I wanted a new Sporty but they rubber-mounted the motor and have taken away one of the reasons I liked them. Now I'm leanin' towards a rigid Pan... after I get all the other bikes bought and rode that I want.  And put me down for another S2 somewhere in my future.
JB2
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Buellinachinashop
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I rode a brand new Rocker yesterday, meh. Styling is cool, except for the grenade coil, but it rode for crap with just me on it. Add a passenger over the 240mm and it rides better. |
Regkittrelle
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 01:13 pm: |
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JB...
Which Victory model? |
Chellem
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 01:18 pm: |
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I don't know the specifics of this situation, but you should know, just for your information, I'm about 99% sure that once a dealership drops the line, they can no longer get parts from the factory, nor are they allowed to submit warranty claims under Buell. So if this dealer had in fact dropped Buell, there was very little they could do to actually FIX the problem.
Of course, they certainly could have made a few short phone calls on the customer's behalf, and at least ATTEMPTED to find another dealership for him, and made BMC aware of the problem. I'm not saying they handled the problem correctly. I just wanted everyone to know that when the dealer says he's not a Buell dealer anymore, it has further implications than just not wanting to sell the stuff. They can't.
->ChelleM |
Jb2
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 01:53 pm: |
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Reg,
'05 Vegas. Not much for going around corners like the Buells were but nonetheless a comfortable ride on the long haul which is most of what I do these days.
JB2 |
Regkittrelle
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 02:01 pm: |
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JB..
I like the Vegas as a cruiser, and it's a great looker. Why did you choose this bike?
My preferred Victory is the Kingpin. The upcoming American Rider has an article where three of us took an FLHX, Road King SE and a Victory Vision on a trip. The Vision is truly outrageous, and a hoot to ride... great conversation starter. I admire what what Polaris has done with this bike, but doubt that I'd buy one |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 02:01 pm: |
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Dark Custom,  I have been taking chrome off the bike since the day I got it. 2005 XL883R
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Jb2
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 02:14 pm: |
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Chellem,
Yep, I understand that dropping the line excludes them from the Buell parts and service network. The selling dealer openly professed his dislike of the line. The dealer who tried to follow-up was also an ex-Buell dealer but he was an outstanding HD dealer. The root problem ended up being the lack of documentation on the part of the selling dealer. James had 6 speedo sensors and two tail sections fail and replaced under warranty. On the 7th speedo sensor failure they turned him away. Everytime he took the bike back for warranty work he reported to the service writer that there was a lot of top-end noise when the bike warmed up. It actually ran and sounded fine when it was running and cold but when it reached operating temps it sounded like the inside of sheet metal stamping plant. His complaints were never recorded and they always blew it off as being the nature of a Sporty motor. Once the second dealer removed the motor and tore it down it was clear the oil pump had been faulty from day one. He attempted to resolve it for him but they gave him the "it's out of warranty" line and that there were never any engine problems reported by the original dealer.
JB2 |
Jb2
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 02:27 pm: |
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Reg,
Price and passion. My daughter was in her last year of college and we were on a tight budget. I had just bought an '05 ST1300 that I absolutely hated. I ran an ad for the ST and sold it for $500.00 more than I paid for it. I shopped several Victory dealers wanting a Kingpin or a Hammer but they were a bit more than the budget would allow. One dealer had 2 brand-new, still-in-the-box, leftover '05 Ness Vegas's with the chrome package and upgrades that included braided lines and lots of other goodies for $12,900 out the door. I wasn't crazy about the 21' front and shredded the front tire in 3K miles. I finally bought a set of Metzler Marathons and have since fallen in love with the bike. Don't ask me how, some things aren't meant to be understood.
JB2 |
Regkittrelle
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 02:33 pm: |
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Hey... I'd be the LAST one to you for justification! That's a great price for a Ness model. Interesting about the ST1300. I'm with you re not preferring the bike, but I think we're a minority as they never stay on the market long when put up for sale. |
Chellem
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 02:34 pm: |
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The root problem ended up being the lack of documentation on the part of the selling dealer. James had 6 speedo sensors and two tail sections fail and replaced under warranty. On the 7th speedo sensor failure they turned him away. Everytime he took the bike back for warranty work he reported to the service writer that there was a lot of top-end noise when the bike warmed up.
That is incredibly odd, since as dealers we don't get paid for Warranty work unless we report it. There are many many hoops we must jump through. So unless this dealer just ate the cost of replacing 7 speedo sensors, I don't know how it could have been unreported to Buell.
It's obvious that SOMEONE dropped the ball, and surely by the 5th or 6th repair of the same stupid part, someone should have said, hey, wait a minute, maybe it's something ELSE that's wrong, but I don't get the unreported part.
->ChelleM |
Jb2
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 02:47 pm: |
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Chellem,
The sensors and the tail sections were reported and documented but his complaints about excessive top-end noise went undocumented completely. I even went with him one time to make sure the service writer understood it was excessive. He claimed it was normal. The engine failed 10 days before the warranty expired. He had the bike hauled(mid-trip) from Virginia back to Indiana after it seized. It was three days from expiration when we delivered it to the selling dealer. The sensors and tailsections were on the VIN report but Customer Service stated the sensor failures were a vendor problem, not mechanical and that no other problems had been reported by the dealer. Bottom line it was a major snafu on the part of said dealer.
JB2
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Oldog
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 04:00 pm: |
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an interesting thread to be sure.
In my younger years when I was new to motorcycling. I visited an HD dealer.
Imagine seeing a show room full of BLACK bikes with bread pans under them to catch leakage em, er these were all new bikes.
it made an impression on me, a bad one
MY bike requires more attention than any of the 3 Suzukis that I owned, BTW they were not totaly trouble free either.
I can live with the issues in exchange for the uniqueness of my X1, although I get tired of some things, as far as owner induced issues, would you call any of these items owner induced faults.
Rocker box gaskets,
primary seal
spring plate [ preemptive ]
oil pump drive gears [ preemptive ]
Isos front and Rear [ preemptive ]
air box leaks
key switch nearly burning up?
I have an X1 so the Exhaust mounting is pretty well sorted,
I do replace the studs in the heads every 2 ~ years depending on condition when I change the intake seals.
now an intermitting drive line lurch
with 34K on the clock, parts in the tranny to replace?
My zukes were never opened up, never missed shifts, no concerns about motor mounts, interestingly enough I happened on my '79 for sale recently still ran, horrible shape but still ran.
My local dealer is Hot / cold they sell Buell and the "attempt" to service them, that is another story. Parts - the counter folks are GREAT but not that much in stock
every thing is at least a week. I caught the WRONG guy once and a front brake pad retaining pin took 3 weeks to get ( ALL I needed was the set screw! )
As an Aside I had a Buell work shirt on one AM while hanging out at the dealership
waiting on some service work,
I had an irate Harley customer fuss at me ( thinking I was an employee )
interesting conversation for sure.
Harleys are much better products than they were, with good marketing, but the way they handle some issues well it sucks.
As far as HD brass infighting with Buell brass, there is an old expression that sums that up for HD to do that, well they might as well step on their own @#$%dicks$%
they are an american company and can "do better" in a few areas
my uninformed uneducated view "as I see it" |
Regkittrelle
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'dog...
Your "bread pan" experience is what kept me from buying a Harley. I'd periodically stop by the showroom, see the pan, leave. Then, in '87 the pan was gone beneath a new FXRC. I was on my way to buy a BMW K75S, but the Blue FXR trumped it and, subsequently,literally changed most everything in my life. |
Oldog
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The X1 changed mine, Reg
The crusiers just dont appeal to me.
I will have to say though the paint on some of them recently is beyond belief. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 04:35 pm: |
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If I went for a crusier I would have to seriously look at a Vic, I particulary liked the flushed in taillight on the vegas and the reasonable use of chrome. |
Regkittrelle
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"Cruiser" has become a bit bastardized in usage. For many, all Harleys are cruisers; not so, as most here know. The true cruisers... such as the Softails... only interest me from the standpoint that they are motorcycles, not as potential purchases. My allegiance is with the Big Tourers, with Harley's being my favorites. On the other hand, I'd be quite happy with a Kingpin.
In the sport-tourer realm, the Kawasaki Concours,and BMW 1200R Sport are on my short list.
"Adventure" (dumb name) bike? MultiStrada, Ulysses, and the newest Tiger.
Repli-racer? Ducati 848
Bar-hopper/pure custom? Just about anything from Russ Mitchell (Exile)_ |
P_squared
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 05:05 pm: |
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I used to smack talk Harley riders. 2 things changed that preconceived "stereotype" of that crowd for me:
1) The annual toy-run in DFW. Yes, there is a dearth of fringe & @$$less chaps present, but how can you get down on folks willing to ride & donate money for kids?
2) A close friend who didn't believe in ATGATT decided to take on a sedan on his BMW. He lost & nearly lost his life in the process. The "fringe & @$$less chap" contingent stopped by his room weekly to offer prayers for his speedy recovery for a rider that didn't ride w/ them/wasn't part of the "lifestyle." They also offered time/labor/money to assist with his obligations while he was recovering.
Say what you want/like, but to each their own. My experience is that you meet some of the nicest folks on cruisers, provided you treat them how you would like to be treated.  |
Regkittrelle
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"...provided you treat them how you would like to be treated."
Thanx, Phil. Kinda applies to everything. Can't think of a nicer thought with which to pronounce this thread dead.
Been fun. |
Just_ziptab
| | Posted on Monday, July 14, 2008 - 07:15 pm: |
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I guess another thing that bothers me is riders that didn't go thru "right of passage" and simply went out and bought a Harley.......sans the lusting as a child for years to own a motorcycle, looking at every nut and bolt on a motorcycle that you came across parked someplace, drawing crude pictures of motorcycles, riding the neighbors Briggs powered POS, turning your bicycle into a chopper, reading every motorcycle magazine you could get your hands on, getting your first ride (bitch, of course) on a cousins 650 Bonneville and eventually buying a POS scooter of your own....... working your way up with plenty of get offs thru Cushmans and dirt bikes, then 125 cc and 350's .........and finally, saved enuf money for a real motorcycle(Sportster in my case). Sure, all nice guys and good friends......but just don't/didn't have the life long ,neart impossible dream like I did. So of course, (sadly)I place them in a sub category of riders......just because. No different that the kids that graduate with brand new cars and I was in a $200.00 Mercury, four door tug boat. No, I'm not a better person than "them".....just went about the hard and only way I could. |
Rpm4x4
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I don’t care what you ride, as long as you ride it. Harley’s package isn’t for me, however I don’t hold it against someone else if they do. I ride with all types. The Harley guys I ride with are some of the most genuinely nice people I know. When we make plans to ride, we ride, rain or shine. I can’t say the same about the sport bike riders I ride with.
Earlier in this thread there was talk about HD not updating their motors. I like the fact that they don’t have overhead cams and are air cooled. That is one of the #1 things that attracted me to Buell in the first place. I would rather see a manufacture refine an already proven design than build several all new designs. All new scares me and usually means more complicated. Sometimes less IS more. Also, Harley motors don’t leak like they used to and reliability has gone up over the years. As for the lack of power from the HD engine, most people can’t ride an XB9 to its full potential anyway. It’s plenty of bike for 90% of the population. If not buy a 12 and mod it.
If Buell's sales are hurting it isn’t from product design, it’s everything that happens after its built. Walk into a HD/ Buell dealer and you will see 200 HD's and 5 Buell's. 3 of those are blasts and in the back corner. Most motorcycles are impulse purchases. If you don’t stock it, you won’t sell it. Look how well Buell sells even though the dealers don’t try. Imagine how well they would sell if they actually tried. |
Hoser
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 12:13 am: |
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Yo Reg
"I'm not sure that you're serious, or maybe it's a bit of the Canadian humor at play. Help me out here."
"Unproven / untested new designs being released and sold..."
Yup humor intended however I could offer some valid examples of botched new product releases , how far back should I go ?
Some recent examples.......
110" cvo engines = rolling time bomb.
On going gasket problems , revisions to these items have shown promise but not always.
TC 96 models require the removal of the inner primary when a stator or alternator rotor is being replaced , a stepbackwards , early evo softails and shovelheads were built this way.
The elimination of throttle cables on 2008 touring models has brought on a host of problems with few solutions , yet , I suspect that may happen soon though.
Air cooled big twins , displacement upgrades have brought on heat management problems which seem to have been ignored.
Cam chain tensioners , bearings , oil pumps , failures followed by debris circulating throughout the engine. we'll see how the TC 96 cam chest revisions work once some high mileage units start turning up.
2006 big twin 8 degree injectors.
Revision after revision of fuel injection mapping ( not harley's fault , blame the EPA ).
And so on , I can continue if necessary.
"Todays Harley customers are for the most part a bunch of whining pansies , throwing a hissy fit over issues that in my opinion are of little significance. Few of them are capable of simple adjustments such as tightening a mirror ."
New bike customer takes delivery of his new softail , arrives home where he pulls up a chair pours a few drinks and inspects his new machine with a magnifying glass. The next day , it's back to the dealership , pounding of fist on the service counter after discovering to his horror , a microscopic flaw in the powdercoating behind the jiffystand bracket. Customer then demands a new frame be ordered and an oil tank too which has the tiniest of flaws in the weld where the filler neck is welded to the tank. This scenario is a daily occurence at many dealerships , some customers take this to a neverseenbefore level of ridiculous demands and childish temper tantrum like behavior.
"Others ,who fancy themselves as being handy can do serious harm in an attempt to bolt on the latest crap they "won" on ebay."
I'm in partial agreement with you, but within a much narrower scope. What often happens is that a man will reach a certain station in life that allows the purchase of a Harley. Usually this person is ignorant of motorcycles... he just wants to own what he's lusted after since his teen years. Often it is his first motorcycle, which means he didn't grow up disassembling the kitchen appliances, trying to enhance the performance of dad's power mower or, in general,twisting wrenches.He is the prototypical owner often referenced in the anecdotes of those not enamored of the brand. And he should be kept away from the tool box. But the Harley is very mechanically enticing; the motor sits there for all to see; nuts and bolts in the forefront. Our new owner can find this hard to resist and, often doesn't. The result is a new set of tools, and then an expensive trip to the service counter at his dealer.
Yes it's quite common to have home handywork go bad , the temptation to mess with stuff is powerfull indeed , most noticable following festive times like Christmas and birthdays when gifts are exchanged , like tool sets from Wallmart.
You have no idea how many times I've had to un-do what has happened , following these attempts at customizing which have gone bad .Often the damaged vehicle is then dropped off at the dealership or we'll go pick it up. In the winter months when things can get slow it's a form of job security.
Don't get me started on Buells , I like them , as long as the chassis is made of tubular steel and has a carb. I still own two of them.
Since June I've been in the Yukon Territory , helping people achieve their dream of riding to Alaska , I was there(Ak) just last week. It's been two and a half weeks of replacing belts , tires , stators ,fixing leaks and dealing with a plethora of other problems. I'm leaving for home wednesday , tired but satisfied , long hours , right now there is nearly twenty hours of daylight here. |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 02:22 pm: |
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The bike in my past that I really miss having in the garage was my 1966 441 BSA Victim... back then I couldn't afford to keep it running. Bought it in 1972 for $450 and rode it into the ground for a couple years and sold it to finance a college habit... bad move... shoulda kept the bike. I dropped the psychology major and switched to engineering after working a few years.
Got a line on one here recently but have too many other immediate "needs" in the racing thing... bummer but you gotta have yer priorities.
I can tell you TONS about the Victor being used for "transportation" and how grateful I was that High School was on top of a hill and the half-way gas station on the way to my weekend job at El Mirage was also on a hill (kick starter was hanging on a bungee after a backfire busted the starter gears) |
Hoser
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 15, 2008 - 10:46 pm: |
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I had better fess up , so's to not be tagged as being negative.
I've had several Harleys over the years , all of them have brought me great pleasure. The bikes I have owned have always been lovingly cared for although ridden hard at times , there have been very few problems . It's the working on them for a living and seeing the on going , repetative problems that has tainted my opinion. I've seen a lot of busted up stuff during my twenty five years in the industry. Would I buy another one , absolutely , I bought an 08 VRSCDX. Why a V-rod ? , no pushrods , liquid cooling , revs to 9.5k , they don't break , it's sexy badass looks , fatty 240 , handles pretty good for what it is , at 52 I'm still a kid inside.
Other cool harleys I've owned.........
66 FLH cool , old school , wish I still had it.
68 XLCH big bore , cammed , magneto etc.
77 XLCH black , loud & mean , well , um , mean sounding .
77 XLCR , meticulously restored , regret
selling this one.
81 FX Sturgis , drop dead good looks , sold it to some doofus that messed it up bad.
83 XR1000 , bought new raced it ,out fitted with all the sceamin eagle stuff available , pistons , cams & stainless steel supertrapp full exhaust system , total regrets about selling that one .
85 FX low rider , nice bike ! evo engine , 4 speed that didn't leak.
96 S1 Lightning awesome ! still own it.
96 S2T Thunderbolt , VERY nice bike , still own it.
A variety of dirt bikes that got the living snot ridden out of them and then discarded like bic lighters.
36 years on two wheels , the only regrets are not owning a variety of other brands , not that it won't happen. |
Daves
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 16, 2008 - 08:40 pm: |
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Hey Reg!
Great thread.
You should start stuff more often here. |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Thursday, July 17, 2008 - 12:50 pm: |
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I don't understand the ignorance some folks have to other types/brands. I like most anything on two wheels. Everything has its intended purpose, pro's and con's. Nothing is perfect.
My S1 is my first and continues to be my only motorcycle. I've always been a fan of Sportster motors. The Evo XL is my favorite twin of all time. I like naked bikes, especially the Ducati M900 at the time, and the S1 seemed like a perfect union of sportbike and H-D yet with a more raw appeal than the Duc.
I lurked this board for years before buying and knew all the shortcomings, so when many issues eventually showed themselves I wasn't surprised. Everything that's gone awry was going to be replaced anyway.
I'll never own a Harley. I'm a fan of the newest breed of XL's, but there's no room for several bikes at my home or in my check book.
My current want is that of a supermoto-esque single. Such a bike is the only thing that may replace my S1, at least for street duty. Until then... |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Friday, July 18, 2008 - 02:16 pm: |
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dark custom this, skull collection that...
What kind of Monkey Business is this?
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Ustorque
| | Posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 - 09:20 am: |
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i'll keep my input short and sweet on this one. i'm an enthusiastic buell rider. my xb is the bike that i always wanted from other brands i've owned. the brands people choose to ride has never been an issue for me to like or dislike them....it all has to do with the individual themselves. a great person to be around will be that way no matter what he or she rides.
On a side note my trip to georgia for the MB5 was a real eye opener....i had no idea you could get that many great people in one place! |
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