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Grancuda
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just have to laugh every time someone says something about my S1 having a V-Twin because I have to remind them that the term V-Twin came from the early 1900s when Indian came out with the original "V-Twin" which mean a 42 degree 2 cylinder V shaped engine which mine clearly isn't since it is a 45 degree engine. So really we have all been misusing the term V-Twin.
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ummm...a "V" is a "V" regardless of actual angle, so long as it's fewer than 180 and greater than zero.
the difference of 3 degrees in angle doesn't remove the Sportster engine from "V" classification.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ummm...a "V" is a "V" regardless of actual angle, so long as it's fewer than 180 and greater than zero.

So if a BMW Boxer engine has an angle of 180 degrees (therefore not less than 180 degrees), how can it still be called a V?
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 01:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have no clue, as I did NOT moniker it thusly.
I simply know that this is the industry-correct designation for this configuration.
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Grancuda
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 01:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It is also industry standard now to use the word billet incorrectly.
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

'zackly.
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 02:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Keep in mind the difference between concision and precision...
lest we all descend into the dark , murky waters of "motor" v "engine"




all engines are motors, but not all motors are engines, sparky
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Grancuda
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 02:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

every one knows motor is electric and engine is gas/diesel internal combustion
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Borrowedbike
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 03:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Slaughter, You stole my line! (More forgivable here than on the track at least)

These conversations bore me, I'm getting on my engine-cycle and going home...
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

every one knows motor is electric and engine is gas/diesel internal combustion




Oh yeah??? How about using an ENGINE LATHE to turn your freaking BILLET???

: D
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No grancuda, "gas/diesel" combustion engines are also motors, but electric motors are never engines.
Unless, of course, Motorcycles are all electrically-driven, as with all other Motorsports machines...
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Xl1200r
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

every one knows motor is electric and engine is gas/diesel internal combustion

What about a Sterling engine which has no combustion and isn't electric?
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nothing in my post discludes the sterling.
Note the quotes I put around "gas/diesel", as it isn't part of my definition.
Speaking of these engines, ever hear of the "google"?
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

OK - if I "ride" somewhere, do I have permission to use the word "motor" as a verb? -- as in: "I'm going to MOTOR over to the Starbucks to compare spec sheets with my fellow poser buddies?"

or should it more correctly read: "I'm going to ENGINE over to the Starbucks to compare spec sheets with my fellow poser buddies."

(wow, I'm so CONTROVERSIAL!)
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 05:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

zackly my point, re: MOTORcycles, etc.


the engine/motor thing is irksome as all hell.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 05:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We are surely blessed in enduring the pain and suffering of such irksome issues. : D

Otherwise we'd probably be mad.
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 05:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



maddening, isn't it?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 05:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What about a train ENGINE powered by electric MOTORS driven by electricity generated by a diesel ENGINE.

Which is it?
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Motor still covers all the above.
Motor is always correct, just not as concise as some might prefer, some of the time.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So if a BMW Boxer engine has an angle of 180 degrees (therefore not less than 180 degrees), how can it still be called a V?

the used to be called a boxer engine, just like the old air cooled VW's.
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Crusty
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 06:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A Boxer Engine?

true boxer engine
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Damnut
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Otherwise we'd probably be mad.


Sorry but dogs get mad, people get angry.
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

that's what he was punning, damnut....
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 08:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"the used to be called a boxer engine, just like the old air cooled VW's."

actually, the "boxer" moniker came later...and the boxer motorcycles came first
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Loki
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The proper terminology for a train engine is...

locomotive


I was corrected the other day by an old timer.


(I like my new career with Union Pacific. I had a toy train or two as a kid. Now I get to play on and with the full size versions.)
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Tramp
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

lucky bastid....

One of the coolest jobs I can imagine!
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Cochise
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

please understand that i'm typing this with a beneficent grin

I usually just type with my fingers
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Cyclonemduece
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i put some MOTOR oil in my ENGINE
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, June 24, 2008 - 10:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Isn't it BENEFICIENT?
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 - 06:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i put some MOTOR oil in my ENGINE

I use a synthetic engine lubricant.
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