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Tramp
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 10:39 am: | 
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Cheerleader thread.
I am scared when I read grown men arguing, on the internet, about who can outride whom.
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Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:02 am: |
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i didn't say that he could either.
"spatten, don't ever think for one minute that jerry couldn't outride you in the best of conditions on his road king or even in the worst."
no where in that statement did i say "could". thank you very much. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:14 am: |
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Please.
Admonishing someone with "don't ever think for one minute..." (for one minute, mind you  ) "...that jerry couldn't outride you..." etc. etc.
is inane.
save the superior cheerleading for riders you know, and bear in mind that there could always be other who actually have the right to think (even for a moment) that, maybe, somehow, one of your idols might NOT outride him or her.
This bizarre, presumptuous cheerleading has no place among real riders.
...and the mincing of words, as a defense, stand up no better. |
Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:26 am: |
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i'm not here to get into a pissing match tramp. i'm not the one that came along and said that harley's can't do squat on the road. i'm just here to say they can so you don't have to take every thing out of context. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:47 am: |
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that is an innaccurate statement.
What you did say was:
"spatten, don't ever think for one minute that jerry couldn't outride you in the best of conditions on his road king or even in the worst."
So, it seems you are in it to start a pissing match |
Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:56 am: |
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that's what i said, couldn't, not could. you got me there. |
Tramp
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:59 am: |
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Now you're squirming.
Why not just man-up to having misspoken?
we all mis-speak at times. |
Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 12:24 pm: |
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reguardless of what you think, i'm not squirming and besides i thought you were gonna go out riding. it's obvious that you like to put your own spin on things and that's fine. and reguardless of what you think of me, if anything were to happen to you, your family or friends, i would still be one of the first to step in to help if i can. you see things one way and i see them another. if we wanted to be like everyone else we wouldn't be riding a buell. and if it will make you happy, i'll stay away from posting after you. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 01:38 pm: |
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If praising a friends riding abilities is cheerleading then I'm guilty too.
While I am at it.
1313, Nevrenuf, M2NC, JB2, BHuff, Henric, Reepicheep, and a number of guys that reside in franklin nc also fall on the list of WOW that Guy can fly!
While Jerry responded to Steves' comments
a bit sharply, some of us responded to Steves' comments that way as well.
Would it be safe to say that If you put Rich Hammer on a dresser let him get seat time that he can run down a squid on a sport bike?
I think that it is a reasonable assumption
would you be cheerleading for Rich to say that??
NO
You know his talent and abilities.
I have seen Ferrises' and his modest easy going manner, To be honest I got a couple of tips from him by just watching him ride and talking with him, YES he is that good!
Scott I hope that you were not offended by my comments .. |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 08:14 pm: |
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Now you finally have me very curious to ride the TC bikes.
Scott, that's very cool. keep an open mind going in, and know that it's not a sportbike, even after all my "cheerleading" to that effect on this thread.
hopefully you'll get a chance to put enough miles on one to at least get a little taste of what it's capable of - i've done a bunch of test rides in my life, but NONE have ever been long enough to truly get to know the machine.
ping me offline if i can help in any way or answer any questions, and i hope we get a chance to ride together some day.
take care,
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Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 08:49 pm: |
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The only real questions I have is weather that poor RK has any floorboards left at all...
Unibear, good to hear from you, and hi to you and the Blue-Eyed Buell Girl from me 'n D. :-):-)
the boards have taken a beating. what's worse, on the left the next thing to touch down is the kickstand, and i'm in danger of grinding off the toe-tab.
what's WAY worse than that, on the right the next thing to touch down is one of the brackets that ties the board to the frame, and i've beveled a pretty good flat on the corner of the bracket, i'm afraid.
one of these days i should really consider getting a sportbike...
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Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 09:01 pm: |
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I have one question did you ever shift, up there?
Oldog, your GPS data from the Skyway is either pretty entertaining or pretty incriminating, depending on whether you're a "glass half full" or "glass half empty" kinda guy. ;--)
me, i'm pretty sure i obeyed all the posted limits, even on the corners...
yeah, i shifted, when it was necessary. in stuff like that it's nice to keep the bike on the "step," so i can use throttle input to help drive or drag the bike through the corners; down- or up-shifting when warranted helps keep the revs in that sweet spot.
that sure was a great ride, truly one of the best of my career, in part because of quality of the roads, but more so because of the grand company. :-)
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Oldog
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 09:57 pm: |
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Oldog, your GPS data from the Skyway is either pretty entertaining or pretty incriminating,
 You have No Idea!
the higest speed is ... err well never mind (me passing a cage)
it was a study in riding smooth and steady.
the entire excerpt of the track
the speed is with in 20 mph the entire time
roll on and off the gas as Erik "speaks of" in some promo or another.
Once in a while I could hear BOB it sounded like you were a gear higher than me. ( prompting the question )
I did some thing different that weekend I needed to conserve the front brakes too.
I used the rear brake to modulate the speed some ( with shifting ) it was a learning experience ( hence part of my comments to you "schools in" )
kinda kewl to finaly learn why a Buells' rear brake is like it is
that sure was a great ride, truly one of the best of my career, in part because of quality of the roads, but more so because of the grand company. :-)
I was fortunate to share that one with you and D I hope that we can do that again. |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:25 pm: |
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Love to ride with you FB.
I did crash a KZ1000 a while back grinding hard parts. It was scraping the crash bar and lifted the rear wheel off the pavement. My right foot hit the tire and got sucked under the fender, and I rode down the road behind the bike getting dragged while laying on my back. A good samaritan stopped, got me the 17mm wrench from under the seat, I unbolted the shock mount, which loosened the fender and allowed me to get my foot out. Still have that Heine Gericke jacket, with a couple of repairs.
Long winded way to say, dragging hard parts bit me in the ass, I don't like to do that. |
Diablobrian
| | Posted on Sunday, June 08, 2008 - 11:57 pm: |
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Is the 20mph a speed limit or a "speed advisory"?
The yellow signs are not limits, but a warning sign in every state I'm aware of. Speed
limit signs are required to be white and rectangular according to federal law IIRC.
This has come up in conversations before. Remember that the advisory is posted based
an "average vehicle"(whatever that is), and the road's crown, camber, lines of sight etc. |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 05:03 am: |
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The yellow signs are not limits, but a warning sign in every state I'm aware of.
When riding through TX, I saw a bunch of signs that stated "must obey warning signs." Wondered if that meant I had to slow down to what was on the yellow signs. |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 07:19 am: |
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it was a study in riding smooth and steady.
Oldog, that's a good way to put it. we were kinda doing a brisk version of The Pace, i think. anyone can hammer down a straightaway, but it's the corners, of course, that demand the artistry, and we were all Van Go that day. :-)
I used the rear brake to modulate the speed some
funny thing about the rear brake, in that Keith Code told me once when i was doing one of his schools that he NEVER uses it when he's riding hot like we were. i mentioned to him that i liked to use it to help "settle" the suspension, to which he replied, "Then you need to dial in your suspension!"
far be it from me to argue with someone with his credentials, but i STILL use a lot of rear brake when i ride, not only to help plant the arse end (settling the suspension), but also to modulate speed, as you mentioned, and also to help adjust my line, if necessary. it's amazing how much steering you can do around a corner simply with throttle and brake inputs.
I was fortunate to share that one with you and D I hope that we can do that again.
I was we were fortunate to share that one with you and D I me 'n D hope that we can do that again.
there, fixed it for you. :-):-) |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 07:53 am: |
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Long winded way to say, dragging hard parts bit me in the ass, I don't like to do that.
geez Scott, what a wild story. good thing you had a tool kit along, eh? :-)
agree, dragging hard parts gives me the willies, and like you i don't like to make a habit out of it.
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Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 07:59 am: |
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Is the 20mph a speed limit or a "speed advisory"?
good question DB, and i don't really know. i assume if you cook thru a corner at considerably over the posted "speed advisory" that you've given an LEO a lot of additional ammo for his ticket book.
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Glitch
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 08:33 am: |
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Jlnance
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 10:35 am: |
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That could hurt. |
Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 11:56 am: |
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"in that Keith Code told me once when i was doing one of his schools"
so you have had some training. |
Jerry_haughton
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 12:21 pm: |
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some. :-) |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 01:41 pm: |
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Keith Code taught Kocinski, who said he never used his rear brake, period. The Pariah was a 250 rider, which means high lean angle and corner speed, like the Euro yahoos dominating the 800cc traction control bikes in Europe now.
Conversely, Code also taught plenty of other riders that used a totally different style than Kocinski, including Rainey.
This 250 style riding is much different than the back-it-in with the rear brake style for heavier bikes and/or more powerful non-traction control bikes and/or riding on tracks that are not pool table perfect like the GP tracks in Europe are.
I really miss the older formulas. It took some real men to ride those 500s, and the 1000cc day's weren't too bad either. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 02:50 pm: |
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Thats a fair point. I got into the habit of gently putting on the rear when setting up for a turn on my previous bikes (Yamaha Radian and Buell M2). On both of those bikes, it made a huge difference. I also like getting the brake light on to catch the attention of whoever may be behind me. Makes a big difference on my KLR-250 as well, and a remarkable amount of braking comes from the rear on that bike (for reasons I can only partially explain).
It would tighten up the bike and get me all set up for the turn. If I did want to dab the front brakes and bleed off some speed before getting to the turn, the front shocks were already compressed and I could get more front faster safer.
I still do it on the 9sx through force of habit (and for the brake light thing), but it doesn't seem to matter much to the bike anymore. Its a much better suspended bike.
I'm sure custom suspension work would make it even less relevant.
Perhaps the only up side to the rear is that if I start with the rear, and loose traction, its generally not that big a deal. So if I am on a "crazy unexpected low traction scenario", hitting the rear first gives me a recoverable warning. If I started with the front in that situation, my first indication of trouble would be the crunchy pavement noises.
I generally don't brake with brakes much anyway. I pick a fun speed and carry it through corners, and plan for stop signs and stop lights and throttle back / downshift... no aggressive / late braking for this rider unless some cager or forest fauna suddenly gets stupid.
(Message edited by reepicheep on June 09, 2008) |
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