| Author | Message | ||
     Aeholton |
Looks like McDonald's colors to me.   | ||
| Tramp |
Tomato Tomahto  | ||
| Tramp |
tastes like yardbird.... (Message edited by tramp on May 23, 2008) | ||
| Glitch |
Deliverance? | ||
| Zane |
Tramp, I don't think we're all that far apart on the subject. My original post says: "First on my list is a shot gun loaded with bird shot, then a revolver and last would be a 1911 type pistol." My personal preference for home defense would be a Remington 570 in 12 gauge. Also high on the list is a Steger?s double barreled coach gun also in 12 gauge. Just about the shortest barrels you can legally buy. There any lots of good pump actions on the market too. Even in a dark room is there anyone over the age of 12 that doesn't recognize the sound of a round being racked? That's bound to give the bad guy reason to slowly back out of my house. What my post was trying to do was explain is why a revolver is a better choice than a semi auto for home defense. For people with lots of firearm training and proficiency the choices are wide open. For the casual shooter or novices I'll stand by what I said in my first post. "First on my list is a shot gun loaded with bird shot..." Edited because I can't type or spell.  (Message edited by Zane on May 23, 2008) (Message edited by Zane on May 23, 2008) | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I think it's about time Buell went into the gun business, we're mostly Buell fans on here, & most of you seem to be gun nuts too. Seems like commercial sense to me. Only thing I wonder about is, given Erik's propensity for redesigning stuff, I've got absolutely no idea what it'd look like. By the way, for home defence I have a wife, which is easily sufficient. | ||
| Zane |
Eric would be the first person to design a gun that would not only shoot around corners but the bullet would really corner well!  | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Zane, an intruder should never even hear a weapon being charged. Why let him know what kind of weapon you have, and where you are? | ||
| Zane |
I'm in the Tampa Bay area of Florida. Crime rate is below the national average and I live in an area safe by TB standards. I can walk my dog at 2:00 in the morning without fear. Hey, if I can avoid shooting someone in a shooting situation then it's a good day and I'll feel like the victor. But in a guns drawn situation, I'd have it shouldered and aimed at him when I did give away my position. I don't believe in a "fair" fight. I'm not a macho kinda guy and don't want to come across like one. I'm fat, out of shape and I'm a lover, not a fighter. Truth is on the street I'll go a long way out of my way to avoid a fight. But if the balloon goes up IN MY HOUSE, I'm all business and I will get the job done. Depend on that. (Message edited by Zane on May 23, 2008) | ||
| Tramp |
Zane- Yep- I read your post, and saw far more analogy than divergence with respect to my opinion, as well. try the abandoned barn thing anyway, just for the "wheeeeee!" factor- esp. with water in the buckets. JLB! How goes it? | ||
| Mikej |
"We weren't allowed to use weapons to catch our meals at the JFK Q-course:" You had to wear blue blinders over your eyes too.  Buellrider..., Your profile puts you in California (or Canada, but probably Calif ), so your choices are a little more limited. What do you feel most comfortable using? I've had various items available over the years, baseball bat, knives of various shape and size, rifle, shotgun, revolver, pistol, hammers, screwdrivers, bowling ball, fist sized rock, and each have had various attributes that made them the right choice for various situations. If you go with a revolver I'd suggest a 3"-6" barrel in .357mag, then practice using it with .38Special loads. But always fire off a few .357 loads to keep you fresh on what they feel like. The old Colt Lawman series were really nice and basic and held up well. The Magnum Carry is a nice newer but no longer sold new option. Other brands are nice too. If you go with a pistol then I'd suggest either a .45acp, a 9mm, or a .40. You can look into .357Sig, .10mm, and other newer loadings. I personally don't like the Glock trigger system, but then I've never owned one, and have never used one enough to really give it a true test. I do like Sig-Sauer pistols like the P220 with the European bottom magazine ejector clip, less likely to accidently drop your ammo while fumbling about in the dark trying to wake up. But then I tend to shoot left-handed, so I'm a little biased in my choices, I can shoot right-handed if I have to, but hit better with my left (but punch better with my right, sometimes), so pistol in left hand and hard flashlight in my right (or the small aluminum baseball bat, or whatever else was handy). For a shotgun, I'd recommend a pump 12ga, Mossberg or Remington, or others if your prefer them instead or can get a better deal on one and it's of decent quality and reliability. Standard loading, or capable of 3" magnum, or 3-1/2" magnum capable if you feel particularly ornery at times. Plus, if you choose right, you can also use the shotgun "for sporting purposes", since California likes to use that term a lot. Firearms are like motorcycles, there's nothing wrong with having more than one. And if someone doesn't agree with what I've posted then that's just fine, I've got no problem with that, do what works for you. I'd still like to find/get one of these someday:  http://www.maddogknives.net/knives/shrike.jpg Designed for a purpose that I hope to never have a need for, but would be great to peel a banana with. | ||
| Tramp |
...for the record, I'm not a gun nut. Just raised in a gun family, life NRA member who hunts. If you were raised in a home that uses lawnmowers, it doesn't make you a 'Mower nut, either. If mowers were outlawed, many'd probably join the NMA, if, in fact, such an advocacy org. existed. I don't carry avocationally, and haven't carried in years. A gun, to me, has usually been what a credit card & grocery cart were to the new peeps moving into this area. They are interesting, though, and I put my own interest to good use in the study of warsaw pact arms, which I prefer, aside from Sam's '11. | ||
| Tramp |
Mikej: Blade's too long to be useful for much beside fighting, in which case, a full hilt and symmetric counter-edge, and symmetric handle would improve it- like an old Gerber Mk. III. Frankly, I dig the old SOG pattern, or a very simple drop-point, just shorter than that you've pictured. Anything over a 7" blade is overkill, and slower to maneuver, in my opinion, of course. Practice on a side of beef or venison wrapped in an M65, and then remind yourself how much thinner the gap is, between the human chest and internal pleurae. 6", as many ladies will attest, is plenty. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Do I need to buy body armour before I come over next month? I've been taking some self defence lessons too, from this book. "Shooting your guns" by Chip Derris. Sorry, just put my glasses on, it's "Shouting at Bums" by Chuck Norris. Either way, it seems to work. | ||
| Zane |
Tramp, I don't have access to a barn but understand what you mean. Back in the day we had to qualify with a shot gun and hand guns twice a year. There were pop ups and shoot/no shoot scenarios on a walk around range. Always a rush and yes I always did VERY well on it. | ||
| Djkaplan |
What ever you get, get proper training on it and get out there and practice shooting. Secure the weapon and the ammunition for it at all times. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I have it in my car, in my house, or on my bike at all times. I haven't gotten comfortable enough to carry it elsewhere yet. Have always had/used firearms, but it takes a little while to get fully comfortable carrying it all the time. | ||
| Cliffb |
Some thoughts on handguns. Unless there is a hit to the central nervous system, no typical defense handgun caliber has stopping power like you see at the movies. They punch a hole in you and you bleed out. A bigger bullet means a bigger hole. Modern defense ammunition has made most handgun calibers about equally effective. Handguns are hard to shoot well. Bad habits are easy to develop and hard to get rid of. Get instruction and practice. There are many quality handguns out there. Go to a range that rents guns. Try to hook up with somebody that knows what they’re doing and shoot different guns to see what fits best. For inexperienced shooters I typically recommend a quality 4” double action revolver in .38/.357. Revolvers are not the rage but they are simple and reliable for the novice. When an auto fails to go bang most folks just stand there looking at the gun with a dumb look. One last thought. An accident can happen in a split second and have consequences that last a life time. Learn and live the gun handling safety rules. | ||
| Zane |
Excellent observations, well put. Thanks. | ||
| Tramp |
well said, cliff- although I'd add heart and liver to CNS shots, as both drop a mammal pretty fast. I agree re: wheel guns for novices, they're also simple enough to operate and understand, and most allow the user to simply look to see how many rounds remain in the 'wheel', and jams are rare as hell and quickly remedies with a quick crack & snap. They also suffer water well- I've seen scared fellas drop accidentally the mags from their autos by pressing the wrong button. In mud & snow, this can be deadly. | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Revolvers are not the rage but they are simple and reliable for the novice." In the higher calibers, they still retain their reputation for being the best pistol whippers. My step-father once knocked a man out with a .38 S&W, though... right in front of my mother. | ||
| Tramp |
"...How he got there, I'll never know..." | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
Lessons to be learned here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shooto ut | ||
| Tramp |
between the keyholing of the 5.56 and the spread of the 12, the perps held an obscene advantage. Nice thing about a pump 12, (or 20) your mom or your wife can hit anything with it, or at least scare the subjects far into the void ...ad noctum | ||
| Buellrider11960 |
currently looking at a 9mm s&w model 6906, we have to agree on price then it's a done deal. plan on doing internet research on as well. | ||
| Xb9ser |
House gun beside the bed 16 gage double barrel 18 in. barrels 8 shot 5 more on stock. at the recliner ak with 30 round mag. at puter desk ruger 9mm with 15round of rem golden shocks.Also have ar15 in bed room with 6 mag vest. Carry gun custem s&w 629 3 in barrel and a trigger job from hell. lightest trigger ive ever seen DA is smooher than most SA   | ||
| Bads1 |
I don't mind hand guns but my two dogs will get the job done nicely. In my neck of the woods anyways most homes aren't bothered if dogs are present. If they do they will contend with my protectors. | ||
| Etennuly |
My recommendation for a hand gun, especially for a novice, is get a 22 cal semi auto, take it and a box of 1000 rounds, go to a range get some instruction in handling and safety, then shoot it until you are tired of shooting. Take it home get out the book and learn to clean the thing properly. Put it away for a week and do it again. It is cheap to shoot, easy to handle, and a good place to learn with out scaring the crap out of yourself or hurting yourself. After you get the all around feel for it and think you are ready for recoil, move up to a 9mm or a .44 or what ever. It is very similar to being a novice rider. You've read it all here many times. "I have never ridden before, what do you recommend?" Get a Blast, ride its wheels off, move up to a cannon! | ||
| Tramp |
Well said. Funny- there isn't one bad piece of advice in this entire thread. | ||
| Blake |
Never trust a Tramp. |
