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Buellrider11960
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

looking to buy a good handgun,w/stopping power for home defense. any recommendations?never own a gun before.decided on a mossberg 500a to cover the shotgun issue thanks for any input. getting the moss for 250.00 thanks again.
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Teeps
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 07:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You'd do well to master the long gun before getting a pistol.

To answer your question, IMO you can't go wrong with M1911 .45ACP (or just about any variant of it.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_Colt_pistol
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 07:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Stopping power is about placement not caliber.

A 9mm center of mass (or center of forehead) will do more than a .45 in the leg.

I just bought a .40 H&K USP Compact. Love it!

I am waiting for the H&K P30 to come out in .40. The XD is good as well as the M&P.

Not a glock fan, but they are able weapons as well.

Of course if money is no object, Kimber is the best you can get (IMHO). Well crafted nail drivers they are.
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Cowboy
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 07:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Glock is by far the simplest to use and take down with safety on trigger there is no extra button- leaver to confuse you if you are in a hurry to use it. it is safe untill you put finger in trigger.
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Cowboy
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

by the way the Glock is the standard F.B.I. Issue.
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Bikertrash05
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Are you looking to save some money, too? Stoeger Cougar is a good gun. You want a big caliber light weight gun? S&W 329pd.
You should go to a shop with a large selection and see what feels right in your hand.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 08:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cowboy,

Never said they are bad guns. I'm just not a fan. I like exposed hammers, separate safeties, and decocker function.

I also didn't like the angle of the grip of most of the Glocks I have tried.

Ain't a bad gun. Obviously you are a fan.

I believe that there are better poly frame guns.

I like the XD, M&P, P30, and PX4 better than the Glock.

They are all newer designs and incorporate better, newer features than the Glock which is a little longer in the tooth. Each of these weapons has built upon what Glock started. Glock simply hasn't done anything to progress since then. They don't have to. People will buy their weapons simply because they are a Glock.
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Hexangler
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This one:
Smith and Wesson Model 29 .44 Mag.
"...it will take your head clean off.
You have to ask your self one question,
Do you feel lucky?
Well do 'ya PUNK?"



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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Get a gun you can shoot comfortably and consistently. If you can, try to shoot a few different makes and calibers.
Even if the gun is only for home security you need to take it to the range and put enough rounds through it that you're able to hit accurately and handle the weapon comfortably. That way if, God forbid, you do have to use it in an emergency you'll be more capable.

If you're a 1911 .45 fan check out the new Taurus PT 1911. My friend, who is a gun nut, was raving about them. It has all the custom parts of more expensive manufactures but at a really low price.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/pt_08 0505/
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M1combat
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 08:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Because they use lower quality metals if the industry as a whole is any indication.

You really should shoot a few before you decide.

Try Glock, HK, Kimber, Springfield XD, A revolver...

Just try a few. The main factors in choosing a pistol are the angle of the grip and the size of the grip. The ammo cost is another factor because you NEED to put about 500 rounds through it in the first month or so, then at least 50 every couple months after that to maintain any semblance of proficiency.


I've recently purchased a Kimber (their "cheap" "Custom II" model) and it's a VERY fine pistol. The trigger is the best I've used since a Colt Python revolver.


Glocks have sandpaper in the trigger somewhere I think. They function for sure (although I have looked at a LOT of broken ones used by law enforcement) but I just don't like them. Maybe for the same reason I like Buells.
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Not_purple_s2
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was doubtful too because I've never equated Taurus with high quality but these are "custom shop" quality guns, forged components, match-grade barrels, solid guide rods, ect. I'm just saying they look like great deals and I've heard really good things. But, if money wasn't an issue I'd buy a Kimber.

(Message edited by not_purple_s2 on May 22, 2008)
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Xb9er
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a smith&Wesson M&P 9mm. it gets the point across.
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Hdbobwithabuell
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buellrider
Any chance you might want to use said handgun for protection outside the home (concealed carry)?
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Beretta 9000SF .40. Nice gun, not badly priced. We have them here for $400.00

(Message edited by buellinachinashop on May 22, 2008)
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Hdbobwithabuell
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BTW -
I've got Springfield, S&W, Kahr, and Sig pistols/revolvers. All have their good and bad points if you consider all factors; recoil, concealability, general accuracy, "stopping power" (AKA caliber), capacity, etc.
You may find yourself owning several in a short time frame
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Americanmadexb
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i have both S&W M&P .45 standerd i keep at home, and an M&P .40 sub compact i carry.. You will not go wrong with either! Good prices too. I bought both for around $400 each!
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Americanmadexb
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 09:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

.45

.45



.40 sub compact


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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

250.00 is a lot for a mossberg pump. also, for home defense, the mossberg is more than enough, big boom, huge, long streak of flame in the dark, no need to aim well....handguns are for carry, scatterguns are for keeps.
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

the subcompacts make little sense for home defense, they're strictly a carry item, and still bulkier than many small-frames despite their snubbiness.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

M1Combat said "The ammo cost is another factor because you NEED to put about 500 rounds through it in the first month or so, then at least 50 every couple months after that to maintain any semblance of proficiency.

Not only is the cost a factor, but it takes a lot longer to become proficient with a handgun. A good short barreled shotgun with 00 buck is fairly foolproof, and practically anyone can pick one up and hit the target in a close quarters situation. It will also double as a club when you run out of ammo. I joke (half-seriously) that a samurai sword is also a pretty good home defense weapon.

The only real advantage to a handgun is its concealability when you have to carry a weapon in public. Otherwise, long guns are where it's at.
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Johnnylunchbox
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hey Tramp. What's doin'?
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've always slept with either a Gerber Mk III, my Randall (before I lost it in goddam Macedonia) or my old SOG Trident by my head.
prefer 'em all to some compact sidearm
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Bads1
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I got Boerboel's. They do just fine.
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Bcordb3
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The only weapon for home defense is the Taurus Judge, shoots .410 shotgun shell and Colt 45 longs all package in revolver.
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)





...if ya gotta have a compact.....
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)





grossburger the mossberg
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4cammer
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 11:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

CZ-75B or my favorite CZ-85 Combat. All you will ever need in a combat pistol.

Can be carried cocked & locked, 15 rnd mags are available and accuracy is excellent.
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Boney95
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 11:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Glock 22, don't make out to be the motha fuqn foo.
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Mr_gto
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Fire all kinds of weapons and choose the one that fits you the best. It is a important decision to make so go out to a gun store that lets you try all kinds of pistols and shoot! Narrow your choices down and buy the one that your most comfortable operating. Opinions on guns are like oil everybody swears by a different brand. If you fire a few of them one will just fit, for me it is a Glock 30.
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Tramp
Posted on Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 11:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

4cammer said:
"CZ-75B or my favorite CZ-85 Combat. All you will ever need in a combat pistol."

+1
I Q-d with the 75 back in '90, I loved it. I keep an 85 in Prague to this day.
Chay Zet is the move
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