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     S1wmike |
The latest Cycle World has a comparison of the 1125R vs 848. It was an interesting read.  | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
and? | ||
| Xl1200r |
There's a discussion of this in the 1125R forum. I'll spoil it - the writers liked the 848 better. | ||
| Ducxl |
It's a shame they didn't compare the Ducati with equal displacement(1098). I understood it when the XBRR(1340cc) raced with 600cc bikes.But this comparison is silly(again). | ||
| New12r |
Cycle World only writes good reviews on bikes that pay the most in advertising....Shame really. | ||
| U4euh |
And to me it read as if they( the testers/editors) didn't take time to set the bike up properly. Ducati does this before they ship a 'Press Bike' out. Did Buell? Probably not! It is hard to set up a bike unknowing who will be on it. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"It's a shame they didn't compare the Ducati with equal displacement(1098)." The 848 and the 1125 aren't that far apart actually. 370lbs - 375 134 hp - 146 32" height - 30.5 56" wheelbase - 54.6 If Buell was asked for a test bike, they'd have been idiots not to send somebody with that bike or do any race set-up on it before shipping it. | ||
| 86129squids |
I thought it was pretty fair, unfortunately the Buell(s)needed more sorting out. What I found strange is the mention that Buell sent down some techs "from Milwaukee"- wouldn't the techs come from Troy? Weird. | ||
| Grancuda |
Someone who has this article needs to PDF it and post it | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
ET isn't that far away from Milwaukee, who know's, maybe Buell sent a PR person from Juneau Ave along? | ||
| Reepicheep |
I thought it was a pretty fair comparison, its a shame the 1125 really blew it with stupid fixable little stuff. And I think the 848 was the right bike to compare, Cycle World closed the article saying that the 848 may be the best street bike Ducatti is building right now, and it's already $1000 more then an 1125r. I don't know any motorcyclist that can buy a bike without considering price, and if you did a 1098 you are looking at a $5000 or $6000 difference in cost for the bikes... making it absurd to think it is an apples to apples comparison. If it is, I want the 1098 compared to a Buell 1125r and a Honda CRF 450 X sitting on a trailer side by side, as thats what I can buy for the price of a 1098. (Got to ride one of those Hondas... the thing would just about loop off idle, and I could easily pick the whole thing up... Yikes thats a fun little bike) And I think cherry picking bikes and giving these to magazines is definately a "short term gain, long term loss" proposition. On the other hand, making sure the &*$&#( bikes from the **$()#* press fleet will start each morning before handing them over to a magazine might not be too much to ask  | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
Cycle World only writes good reviews on bikes that pay the most in advertising....Shame really However true that might be or might have been (I love reading CW now but used to call it "Honda World" in the early 80's), this article seemed pretty fair to me. Specifically what comments did you find to be unfair? | ||
| New12r |
More of a generalization really. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
What I found strange is the mention that Buell sent down some techs "from Milwaukee"- wouldn't the techs come from Troy? Weird I recall the Warr's XBRR racing Formula Extreme at Mid-Ohio being wrenched on by some folks wearing Harley shirts. I thought that odd - at the time. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
The XBRR motor is worked on alot at the PDC in Scream'n Eagle Racing room. | ||
| Azxb9r |
The Ducati dealer in Tucson is selling the 848 for $12,995. HD of Tucson is selling the 1125r for $14,000. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I'd buy that 848 in a heartbeat if I was in the market for a faired bike. | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
HD of Tucson is selling the 1125r for $14,000. What the Hell!!!????! | ||
| Azxb9r |
What the Hell!!!????! That was what I said when the salesman told me the price. I guess they don't actually intend on selling it. | ||
| Pushrodpete |
I assume they gotta pay for their new mega-HD-mart out by the I-10.... | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
I bought the mag last night and read the article. What's not funny at all is that the same problems alot of people here are complaining about happened to the 4 test bikes. Spurty power and electrical/charging issues. I was very suprised that that test guys hated the brakes so badly. Buell has a lot to do to get that bike straight. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Heck, people are still complaining about the same old issues with the XB line. I hope they find a better source for their electronics like they did with the drive belts. | ||
| Rasta_dog |
Ummm...how much does an 1125R weigh? I tried to find Cycle World's specs on line, because when I read the article, it stated @430lbs!  | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
375 according to Buell | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Don't forget... these bikes were probably tested 1-3 months ago... About the same time a lot of the 1125r problems were starting to creep up... It's a new model. They will work the bugs out. Buell isn't the only company to release a product with some first year model bugs. | ||
| Greenlantern |
It's a new model. They will work the bugs out. Buell isn't the only company to release a product with some first year model bugs. I can't think of a "first generation" anything that did not have any bugs. The fact that the Buell can show up for the comparison is statement enough considering the Duck has years of development behind it's platform and the Buell has just "crawled out of the Ocean" so to speak. | ||
| Reepicheep |
And while clearly it has been hard to figure out all three issues (discharging, sputtering, and brake feel), and while it might be a good bit of work to create the fix, it should actually be pretty easy to fix everything we currently know about. Perhaps as easy as an ECM reflash and slapping in a set of Lyndalls pads. | ||
| Stealthxb |
In case y'all missed it... I posted the following review on the 1125r board: I have had the opportunity to ride both machines. The 1125r was on a demo ride in the N. Georgia mountains. The 848 was on a local lunch break romp. I got to ride both bikes in an environment I am comfortable in. I was extremely impressed with both machines. The 1125r is all that it is cracked up to be. It felt like an extension of the rider and responded to input without hesitation or negative feedback. The 848 is brilliant too. Though believe it or not, it feels much less refined. It is unsettled at low RRMs. The seating position was difficult to get accustomed to. Engine heat was obvious. The brakes were the most responsive I have ever used. Thus, braking was not extremely smooth for me. The Duc turns corners like a dream. It was the most effortless bike to turn I have ridden to date. I think I could find a place in the garage for the 1125r. It is a multi-use machine that would be easier to justify financially. The 848 is ill suited for the majority of my riding. It would be marvelous on the track, but around town it just would not do. | ||
| Jimidan |
"Cycle World only writes good reviews on bikes that pay the most in advertising....Shame really" Would you have said that if CW had loved the bike...I think not. It is a shame that when a reputable bike magazine finds exactly the same problems that have been noted by some independent journalist, that some blame the magazine for being on the take. Question #1 - Why would CW do that in the first place? Question #2 - Who is paying the magazine to do that and why? Question #3 - Does Ducati advertise in the magazine more than Buell? Question #4 - Are the 848 and 1125 even in the same market? | ||
| Jimidan |
It's a shame they didn't compare the Ducati with equal displacement(1098). They didn't pick the 1098 for the comparo because the 848 was faster with one of the two testers on the track than the Buell, despite being down 15 hp and 11 ft/lbs of torque. What was the 1125 going to do with a Duc that was up on it by 25 hp? They had the right bikes for the comparison...it is just that the Buell wasn't up to it. Just look at the Ups and Downs that each bike had and the Buell suffered from far more serious maladies...like heat toasting the riders right leg on a cool day (shades of S1 days), excessive vibration in spite of 3, count 'em, 3 balancing shafts, and noisy radiator fans (so they were not all fatal blows). The "little" Duc had lackluster headlighting, special tool to remover the rear wheel and hot-seat undertail exhaust. I had that hot-seat issue on my Duck that was as simple as installing a reflective fiberglass shield to the seat pan ($10). Buell's issues are much tougher to resolve...or they would have done them already like they said they would back when the early testers of the prototypes noted them as well. |
