| Author | Message | ||
     Djkaplan |
Just trying to find out if anyone has had a stator failure using approved primary oil. I could have sworn there were a few failures report when using even the recommended factory oil in the primary. Anyone? | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I don't think the oil got anything to do with it. Here is my failure from a few years ago. /image{stator} /image{stator} | ||
| Newfie_buell |
I don't think the oil got anything to do with it. Here is my failure from a few years ago.   | ||
| Djkaplan |
Are you mocking me? Just kidding... obviously a short caused by the lead insulator having a hole worn in it doesn't count as an oil related failure (is that what you're trying to post an image of?). | ||
| Newfie_buell |
yeah, no mocking intended The short was caused by the little sharp edged plate inside the primary. When I replaced it I bent it a little so the edge wasn't touching the wire and I also sanded the edge to take the sharpness off. That was about 3 years ago. | ||
| Djkaplan |
When I replaced it I bent it a little so the edge wasn't touching the wire and I also sanded the edge to take the sharpness off. I saw your post when you warned everyone about it back then and followed suit when I replaced my stator. It wasn't the cause of my failure but little tricks like that can really help. | ||
| Midknyte |
What does it take to get at this plate? What do I remove to get to it? | ||
| Newfie_buell |
1. Gear Shift Assembly 2. Primary Case 3. Clutch & Basket 4. Stator 5. I think #3 came off together once the bolts were removed as the primary chain comes with it 6. little plate thingy I think thats how I did it but the S1 Manual is online in the Knowledge Vault. | ||
| Xb9 |
Imbed the wires in silicone sealer underneath the plate when assembling. this will isolate the wires and keep them from moving/rubing through on the plate. | ||
| Dblast |
I had a 2001 X1 and currently have a 2002 X1, both fried stators at 16,000 miles. I was using Mobil 1 75/90 gear oil in both motorcycles. It makes you wonder. Was it time, heat, load or oil ? | ||
| Sparky |
No problems to report using Harley's oils but both times I ran Redline Shockproof oil in two different tubers' transes, I got stator failures. Coincidental? I don't think so. In both cases there was a green gooey substance precipitated around the coils. So I can imagine that the heat of the coils caused this stuff to gel around the coils and eventually overheat them, breaking down the wires insulation & causing shorts to ground. I'm stickin' to Syn3. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I cooked mine at 13,000 miles using nothing but Formula+. It's a design weakness exacerbated by oils rather than a strong design weakened by oils. ChadHargis had one fail about the same time using Formula+ as well. The problem with the Uly stator is that it produces too much power. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Isn't there a model year that Buell started better insulating the Stator wires? | ||
| Tornado |
I have a 1999 M2 and the stator went out after 18,000 miles using Mobil 1 75/90 gear oil. | ||
| Chainsaw |
All my stator failures happened while running Mobil 1 75/90. Sticking with Formula +. See profile for specifics. | ||
| Buellerthanyou |
Had a 2000 X1. Always ran Sport Trans. Went in for regular service (10K I think?)and was TOLD that my stator was "bad" and would fail soon. They replaced it under warranty. About 3 weeks after they replaced it, in stop-and-go traffic in 100 degree heat, it DID go! They re-replaced it and it ran fine thereafter (until I killed her in a ditch at 18,000 miles...I miss you BuellieMae...).  HellBuelly J "There are 4 kinds of Wheeliecide: felonious, excusable, justifiable, and praiseworthy." --Ambrose Buellierce | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
I have never used anything but "sport-trans" and formula+ in my X1. My charging system has not crapped out yet. | ||
| Oldog |
that green goo could be the varnish or coroded copper from the stator, 30K no issues, quick some wood to knock on!  | ||
| Devdawg |
Burned the stator up on my '99 M2 around 20,000 while I was using Mobil 1 75/90. | ||
| Steve_mackay |
27k using Redline in my S3T, been using it since 9K. No failures(knock on wood). | ||
| Old_man |
Gear oil should not be used - contains sulphur that turns acid and eats the stator. | ||
| Blake |
I don't know how many times I've noted the following, but it seems to always fall on deaf ears. If lubricant is touching the copper in the stator circuitry, your stator has already failed. Period. It won't matter which lubricant you are using. The above noted early failures while using Sport Trans and Formula Plus probably won't do anything to convince the folks with the hands over their ears either. | ||
| Blake |
Sulphur compounds don't turn acid, they simply react with copper to form copper sulfide. It's a brittle black coating and once formed prevents further reaction. However a bending/flexing wire will likely loose the brittle coating. | ||
| Old_man |
I stand corrected. I thought if it combined with water it would turn acid. Thank you. | ||
| Blake |
Flash-back?  | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
The above noted early failures while using Sport Trans and Formula Plus probably won't do anything to convince the folks with the hands over their ears either. You might want to look again. The failures were with gear lube containing sulfur. Theres seems to be little to no failure on bikes using engine oil, sport trans or formula+. PS I'm not saying that is proof that sulfur is the problem (though it certainly appears to be), but it is obvious there is some problem when gear oil is used. (Message edited by scott_in_nh on May 06, 2008) | ||
| Reepicheep |
Blake, what about scenarios where there is a pinhole or a hairline crack? Thats my latest thinking anyway... think a pinhole in paint leading to a rusty bubble. | ||
| Blake |
Scott in NH, I looked again. There are two failures noted above by folks who ran nothing but the factory lube. | ||
| Blake |
Bill, How did the stators in bikes using factory lube fail? If those are all due to rubbing the piece of metal you may have a point. We need more details. | ||
| Djkaplan |
I wonder if Sportster guys are having the same issue? |
