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Mikej
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

(firewall mania)

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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

N4L,

I didn't call the place simply because I would have had to arrange a transfer shop here. Most here charge a hefty price and it lessened the benefit.

I got mine new with night sights and two high capacity magazines for $675.

I'm sure I could have gotten it for a little less, but not much less.

I am anxious to shoot it. The only complaint I have about the accessory rail is that it's sized for H&K accessories and isn't the standard size. You can get a converter for it, but.....

I just love the way it's made. It's not Kimber nice, but for a polymer frame, it's well constructed. I don't like to see stamped steel parts on a high end gun. To me it makes the gun look cheap.

I plan to use a Fobus paddle holster with it. Anyone have anything negative about them?
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Nautique4life
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

That's a very fair price. It is my understanding, and I may be out of the loop on this, but aren't the high cap mags are being phased out? I got them as well, love `em. You (fat) bastard! I dont have night sights! I tried to get them in my deal but no dice. The tritium night sights?

When you break the gun down and realize how light weight the frame is without the slide/barrel, you know it has to be well constructed and strong to handle the work and stand the test of time.


+100 -tar arn

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Xgecko
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I owned a Glock M19 for a decade, shot it on a IPSC course nearly every weekend for 4 straight years using factory FMJ(124gr). I figure a conservative estimate of 60-70K rounds down range. I had 3 stove pipes in all of that time. No I am in no way a pistol Marksman though I have shot Expert every time required. For certain I will say that my ability to shoot a M9 Beretta accuratly the 1st time I handled one is due to my time spent shooting a Glock. If you can shoot a Glock well than any other pistol is easy. That said with my service M9 I had more problems in a year than I ever had with my Glock. If I had a choice of a Semi Auto weapon it would be a Glock or a Sig, the M9 though incredibly accurate was tempermental and fragile. I had 3 stovepipes during my 1st qualification and I had a magazine failure on my 2nd. My cousin who left for Afganistan last month took a personal M11 (Sig P228) with him rather than risk any of the M9's historic failures. 1911's are nice, I just prefer DA for an auto pistol, though in truth I will probably never own another auto pistol, my taste has evolved and I prefer revolvers.
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Loki
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ayoob did some interviews with the types that are unwanted and uninvited some time back. One of the questions was along the lines of this.

What sound did you fear the most in an occupied dwelling? The universal answer came up being the sound of a shotgun being racked.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't know about the magazines being phased out. You used to only be able to get the 10+1 clips until the regulations sunsetted. What's weird is that only the USP Compacts come with metal magazines. The full size USPs come with plastic clips.

Yeah, tritium night sights.
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Xgecko
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Funny Loki....
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Mikej
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"The universal answer came up being the sound of a shotgun being racked."

Talking about that on a gun forum is akin to talking about contact patches and using synthetic oil for engine break-in here.
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Sleez
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

perfect engraving modification;



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Limitedx1
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

1911! own three, wouldnt hesitate to buy antoher!
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Xb9ser
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 01:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i have a springfield 1911 never had a glock. But allways heard great things about them. A friend who was at a match said the glock team arived in a helocopter at 20 feet they threw the pistols out and then repelled down. Then they picked them up tore them down and mixed up the parts. Then shot the match with them.I cant swear this is true as I wasnt there, but believe them.
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Xb9ser
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

my house gun is a double barelled sawed off 16 gauge with 8 shot, 18 1/4 barrels with 5 more rounds on the stock.next is a AR15 30 rounds every 5th round tracer.Rugar P95 at puter desk.Never more than 20 feet in the house from someting that shoots. AK beside recliner.For long range have win model 70 300H&H magnum. It shoots 3in groups at 400 yards with hand loads.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 03:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am .45 ACP enthusiast and appreciate a nicely fettled 1911. They are appealing to me from a mil-spec aspect.

I enjoy the merits of a GLOCK 30 as a civillian citizen, however.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had a colt 1991A1 in stainless... wish I had gotten a blued Kimber instead (not that much more expensive). Actually, I wish I had a govt marked service 1911.

Lately I have been more interested in surplus military sidearms. $200 or less will buy some very cool CZ semi automatics, and I appreciate the history they carry.

I played with a CZ52 that is by all counts a nice little semi auto for $125 or something, along with a *big* sardine can of surplus ammo for it as well for about what it would cost me to reload for the 1911.

It shoots an interesting little bottleneck pistol cartridge. Some serious velocity and lots of kinetic energy (most of which will be carried right out the other side of whatever it hits) with fairly pleasant recoil.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Surplus_and_Use d_Handguns.html

Currently they have a Sig P225 for $260, or a CZ82 9x18 for $189. Good thing I don't have disposable income... Id get myself on some kind of list : )
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Old_man
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sleez,

If they can read that, you're too close.
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Freeflyer
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

IPSC is soo much fun! anyone who really likes to shoot should try it, its a real rush really gets your heart pounding even though its just targets. I think everyone should be required to qualify at a certain level before even being considered for CC.
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Teeps
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

1911 all the way... they are almost as reliable as an anvil.
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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Are you all those people that "cling to guns"?

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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

We'd better "cling to" our guns if that douche bag gets near them. : |
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Xgecko
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Freeflyer said: "IPSC is soo much fun! anyone who really likes to shoot should try it, its a real rush really gets your heart pounding even though its just targets. I think everyone should be required to qualify at a certain level before even being considered for CC."

absolutely....my shooting club in Guam used to set up very elaborate IPSC shooting courses covering all kinds of different situations. I was never better than mid pack with them but knocking down steel plates with 9mm is difficult, I learned to doubletap as a steel challenge survival tactic, early reloading as a way of insuring that I didn't run out at an inopportune moment. I know that my time shooting IPSC gave me the skills to later qualify expert for the military.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Holy Crap!




I'd pay good money to see the look on the mugger's face when he picks this guy as a target.
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Old_man
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I never saw anyone shoot like that - amazing!

I was required to qualify twice a year, once in daylight and once at night.

We were required to use the gun we carried.
I was plain clothed so I carried a small gun, at first a snub-nosed, 5 shot, S&W hammer-less .38 revolver, then when the department went to semi-autos, a Glock, sub-compact, .40

It was a disadvantage compared to the full sized, full capacity, pistols the uniform officers carried.

But I never failed to qualify with a high score.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Cyclic rate of fire for a Thompson's Machine Gun--400 rounds per minute.

Cyclic rate for that dude with a pistol--480 rounds per minute.
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Damnut
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When did BadWeb become an extension of the NRA??
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 03:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not, no more than this is an extension of the Humane Society or the nearest Guitar Center. Just another facet of a subject some folks are interested in is all.
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Old_man
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 03:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Everyone is free to by-pass these obvious posts about guns.
There are many other topics.
Enjoy them.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 06:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Don't forget horologists!

Who wants one dimensional friends?
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Aesquire
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sleez, love the pic! They make that laser down the road from me.

Court, I used to suggest a pattern like yours, but have had my mind changed by ballistic testing.

http://www.tacticalworks.ca/ballistics_shotgun.htm l

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/theboxotruth.htm

On the 1911/Glock thing.

I used to mock "Combat Tupperware", then my Bro in law got into IPSC and got a Glock 19, for minor. I'ts a utensil, not a work of art, accurate & sturdy enough.... I'd buy one. A wee little one, in a number beginning with 4.

1911's are classic late 19th century philosophy, in a work of art, ( esp. Kimbers & other top line guns ) in a caliber that has done the job, well, since it was created. John Moses Browning had the muse.

It's all good.
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Bigdaddy
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ft_b, Did you get to shot it yet?

I, for one, don't see the dichotomy. The topics of conversation on Badweb do cover some interesting areas. Guns, cars, trucks, guitars, computers & operating systems, watches, knives, paint, powder coating, home electrical, travel,,,,,,pretty long and interesting list IMHO.
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

G2,

Not yet. Thursday after my work for my wife is done.

Can't wait.
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