| Author | Message | ||
     Rattler |
It's definitely the same EVO XL lower cases, with additions for rubber mounting the engine...looks like XB parts from the cylinders up & yep it breathes thru the head...has to by the lack of PCV's in the rockers...the big one still is.... what is hiding behind that bulge in the primary case....that the one pic on motorcycle.com doesn't show! Dale A. | ||
| Matty |
Erm, perhaps nothing? Cosmetic? It's not like Harley has ever designed something just to have a certain look... | ||
| Paroyboy |
I know one magazine that won't get advance pics next year! | ||
| Dynarider |
Quote from Motorcycle cruiser.com The 1200 Sportster, which is the same basic engine as the 883, just with bigger bores, has benefited from some mild hot-rodding, shared with the Buell sportbikes, which use a variation of the same engine. Plus heres a pic of the 4.5 gallon tank setup. Very nice   | ||
| Dynarider |
Both the 883 & the 1200 customs lose that weird "eyebrow" deal above the headlight. Heres a pic of the 883. Its a pretty sharp looking bike with the bigger tank & cleaned up front end. Harley already sells a shit load of Sportys, I bet they will really fly out of the dealerships now.  PS..prices are supposedly staying real close to what the 2003's were selling for. | ||
| José_quiñones |
This is in the new Road Racing World, so it must be true...... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Jose', don't stop with that part of the quote... go on to include the part where *Buell* (not Harley) explains the good reasons why they wanted and used that approach. For non RRW subscribers, the XB12 got the cover this month, and has a good writeup. The overall gist is "not a perfect race bike, but a fantastic street bike and seriously big fun". | ||
| Mikej |
"PS..prices are supposedly staying real close to what the 2003's were selling for." If that's true then Dynaglide sales may drop way off. People already buy the XL's as baby baggers to save money over the big twins. With the rubber mounts I believe even more will. Time will tell. Going down to talk doughnuts this afternoon, would be talking cash but I have none which is the perfect time to go bike shopping. | ||
| Bomber |
saw one of the new sporties on the road last night . . . .the handlebar risers and lack of eyeborw are what drew my attention . . . not a bad looking scoot, but, at the risk of sounding as old as Court and Road_thing, it just don't look like a sportie anymore | ||
| Mikej |
Must be like when the V-Rod was due and some factory people were riding them home at night. Saw one at a grocery store and the rider was very keen on keeping a distance between me and him in the parking lot as I exited the store heading to my bike and as he waited for his ladyfriend to get out of her car and onto the back of the V-Rod he was riding. He wasted no time making a quick getaway either. So, Bomber, what color was it, and did it have a factory or dealer plate on it? | ||
| Sarodude |
Unfortunately, my impression of many Sporty buyers is that they don't WANT something that looks like a Sporty. At least with the thing looking like a mini Dyna it goes a little further in losing the Not A Real Harley stigma. Personally, I thought the 883R was a really cool little bike. I saw one the other day. Some chick was riding it. Highway bars, windshield, and some crappy saddlebags. I was saddened. It just doesn't seem like what people want. Oh well... -Saro | ||
| Bomber |
MikeJ I was in the pickemup, and therefor didnot set the alarms off . .. it was a cream color, but I didn't see the plates . . .. . pulled up next to the rider, and commented on how odd it was to see V-Rod risers on a sporty . . . . his eye (all I could see through the full faced helmet) got big, and he accelerated, er, briskly when the light turned green . . . . . Saro . . . always had a soft spot for hot-rodded sproties myself . . .. the 883R I thought would be a great starting point for a bike . . . . but, at the end of the day, the market rules, which is how it should be | ||
| Elvis |
I was sort of hoping for something a bit "fresher" and more like the V-Rod. I was hoping for something more like this:  | ||
| M2cyclone00 |
Dyna, the Customs have not had the "weird 'eyebrow' deal" (a headlight visor)over the headlight in 03 or previous years. The 883 standard & 1200R retain it for 04. | ||
| Dynarider |
Unfortunately, my impression of many Sporty buyers is that they don't WANT something that looks like a Sporty. At least with the thing looking like a mini Dyna it goes a little further in losing the Not A Real Harley stigma. Bingo. The sporty has that "girls bike" reputation & a lot of folks despise the peanut tank & throw on a larger one. Make it look more like the "big bikes" yet keep the prices where they already were & the people will be beating down the dealership doors. | ||
| Piggos |
The prices will not change more than the usual few hundred dollars. The MSRP on these bikes is primarily determined by market segment, not content. If HD arbitrarily moved the Sportster line up segment, it would be necessary to add a new entry level offering. Like a 500 single?? | ||
| Cyclone1 |
I never thought I'd say this, but doesn't the "new" (HAHA) sportster look more like an import??  Frank | ||
| Koz5150 |
I gotta agree with Cyclone1. The new tank looks like a cross between a Softail custom and a foreign cruiser. Same with the air cleaner cover. | ||
| Dynarider |
Basically the same style air cleaner they have had for years. As for the tank, the softails all have gauges on them the sporty one is clean. Also no exposed seams. look at the majority of the tanks on the japanese cruisers & you will see a huge ugly seam where they are joined together. | ||
| Gambafreak |
New Sporty Engine Primary side http://www.bikernet.com/news/images/PhotoID5782.jpg The guys on bikernet published this picture on their website. It shows the primary and the bubble on the primary cover. | ||
| Jmartz |
Can't understand why they are still keeping the "generator gear cover" or why they bump out the primary in places where it isn't needed. At least the empty box housing the starter gear is somewhat diminished in size and reshaped. | ||
| Sparky |
There's no nut shown so maybe there's a type of ramp compensator like the Evo big twins have that takes up some space. | ||
| Mikej |
I wonder if there's a vibration dampener on there that isn't shown in the pics. Will probably have to wait for the sales literature to be released next week to know for certain. | ||
| Road_thing |
Bomber: I prefer to think of people our age as "experienced!"  I guess Court became somewhat more experienced today... r-t | ||
| Steve_a |
The new Sportster 1200 engine is internally very similar to the Buell XB12, while the 883 is a debored version. Bore and stroke dimensions on both are the same as 2003. Rods, bearings, and pistons are shared on Xl200 and XB12, while the cases for the Sportster are all new. As well as the various codpieces and shoulderpads that make it look like a classic Sportster (the generator bulge, etc.), the mounting is all new, and completely different than an XB. There's a boss on the front of the cases for one rubber mount, and there's a swingarm shaft mount on the back, much further aft than the Buell swingarm mount. That's to allow room for rubber biscuits around the swingarm shaft, providing the rear rubber mount. The cylinder head for the 1200 is essentially the same as the XB9/12 (including valves, valve springs, etc.) except for some cosmetic differences. The 883 retains last year's ports. Rather strangely, the cam rotation on the Sportster engine is classic, and in reverse of the cam rotation on XB/Blast. Sidecovers are obviously different, and even use different gaskets; note how Harley styling changed the cases on the left-hand side so the screw bosses are on the outside of the cases, rather than internal; they wanted a little more surface detail than on the XB powerplant. Cam profile is from the very short overlap Sportster Sport cams. Low speed and midrange is strong, but horsepower peaks at 60 at about 6000 rpm on a dynojet. The new 1200 is slower than last year's despite shorter gearing because of the extra 60 pounds or so it's carrying. There's a lots of parts commonality between the XB and Sportster engines, and some substantial differences. Most hop-up components should fit either, though cams will have to be ground in mirror images. The XL1200 (very subjectively) isn't as smooth as a Dyna, but is a lot easier on you on the highway at 75 than a 2003. It doesn't begin to compare to a XB12, which subjectively at least, runs a lot smoother and feels like a fast motorcycle. With 120 more pounds and 30 less horsepower, that's not the case with the new XL. It's a smoother looking version of last year's bike that shakes a lot less, and should have improved reliability and more hop-up potential with the engine updates. | ||
| Steve_a |
The new Sportsters are carbureted, and use a throttle-position mapped ignition system that picks up its timing off a crank sensor, as in the injected Twin Cams. Unlike the Buell XBs, the new Sportsters don't have a timing pickup under the now vestigial timing cover, just an empty cavity. Maybe Harley left it there for export/import purposes, as in Easy Rider. | ||
| Dynarider |
So it is an XB motor with some cosmetic differences. We knew the cams would be different as obviously Harley wasnt going to plunk in a 93 hp motor in the sporty...not yet anyways. Thanks for the info Steve...it is greatly appreciated. Lucky for me I didnt buy Crusty that Pepsi yet | ||
| Tripper |
No, it's an XL motor with some XB internal pieces. Can't you read? Buy the pepsi. | ||
| Dynarider |
Some??????????????? Its all XB internals. Perhaps the reading comprehension has slipped a bit? | ||
| Blake |
Different cases. Different fuel injection/carburetion. Different ignition system. Different cams. Different covers. Different heads. Different intake. Different exhaust. Probably different pistons and flywheel... Same... valves, springs, rods, jugs, crank... Engine... different. Pepsi... for Crusty. |
