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Mtch
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 08:57 am: | 
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would $48,000 be a bit much to pay though?
Hellion |
Thumper74
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 09:27 am: |
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XL1200, Triumph doesn't use tube frames except on the cruisers. Most of the sporting bikers are monoque (sp?) type frames.
Mtch, I'd ride that. |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 09:41 am: |
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Yabbut with the Buell mounts as now used by the Sportster, they're still going to have to deal with the engine. Sporty and XB are completely different in where/how they mount into their respective chassis.
You only reaffirmed my point - tubers, XBs and '04+ Sportsters all mount differently.
Triumph doesn't use tube frames except on the cruisers.
It gets to splitting hairs here - the Speed Triple uses a lot of cast parts in the frame, but the main spars are tubular aluminum. The 675 bikes (and I think the Sprint and Tiger) use an aluminum beam frame, which while not tubing, the manufacturing process is probably very similar. The point being, they aren't one big chunk of cast aluminum like the XB. I don't think they're in the same class as a Buell tuber frame (that was insinuated but someone else), but they do share more with them than an XB chassis. |
Xl1200r
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 09:45 am: |
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Shoulda read Xl1200r (Mark's) points above while writing mine!
Yep, yes and you betchya!
I'll STILL look for a tuber for a custom garage project - where FORM is more important than FUNCTION... hey, that's the "artist" in me talking.
Glad ya saw the light - once in a while I post something that someone besides myself agrees with, lol.
I, too, lust after a few tubers. I'd like an RS or RSS just for the nostalgia of it, an S1 because it truly is a beautiful motorcycle, and an S3T because, while doing consecutive 500 mile days on my Firebolt is doable, I understand that there are better tools for the job. After all, it was an ad for a yellow '99 X1 in a car mag when I was a sophomore in high-school that turned me onto the brand in the first place. |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 09:57 am: |
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Yeah, 48 Large is out of my league, but I like that bike!
rt |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 10:06 am: |
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quote:Yeah, 48 Large is out of my league, but I like that bike!
rt
(Besides it's a custom Yamaha) |
Mtch
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 10:17 am: |
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maybe a Yamaha, but its still a good looking bike.
wonder if a modded Harley motor would fit. but i would be happy with the yam motor. |
Road_thing
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 11:50 am: |
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Yamaha, Shmamaha, I still like it!
Not sure I'd want to ride long distances on it, but it's a great-looking machine.
rt |
Not_purple_s2
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 12:01 pm: |
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You have to have both. The XB's and Tubers are both equally beautiful and amazing machines.
In order for Buell to make a tube frame bike I think 1 or more of the following must happen;
1. They develop a tube frame superior to the current XB style frame. Very unlike to make a tube frame that's lighter, stiffer, and more mass-centralized than the aluminum fuel frame.
2. The company grows to the point where it can afford to offer a separate nostalgic tube frame bike without losing money or effecting the main line production. This would be a long way off.
3. Current tubers become so rare and sought after that their prices rise to collector levels.
2 and 3 would really need to happen together. Why would Buell even offer a tuber line similar to what they've done in the past when you can buy pristine bikes for as little as $3000-5000? Now if those prices suddenly started averaging $7-8K then there might be enough demand to support production of an updated Tuber for around $9K. |
Grancuda
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 12:50 pm: |
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They develop a tube frame superior to the current XB style frame. Very unlike to make a tube frame that's lighter, stiffer, and more mass-centralized than the aluminum fuel frame.
Why would it need to be stiffer, isn't the whole reason that the Ducatis win the MotoGP events and have such a good feel is because the flex the steel tube trellis frame gives? http://www.motorcycledaily.com/21may03steeltrellis frame.htm
Why such a big deal about the "Mass-Centralized" fuel in frame? Does it really benefit that much?
Why would Buell even offer a tuber line similar to what they've done in the past when you can buy pristine bikes for as little as $3000-5000?
I have friends who do not even consider buying a used bike, they only buy new because they don't want someone elses head ache so the used market is something you really cannot go by. Look at the used Ducati Monster market, you see clean M900 bikes with plenty of extras on them go for $4k-5k but Ducati is still making more bikes. |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 01:08 pm: |
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Thump, the Speed Triple is classified by Triumph as a Tuber.
"FRAME: Tubular, fabricated aluminum alloy perimeter" |
Bill0351
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 02:27 pm: |
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If they made an M3-1125R-Cylone and kept the price about the same as the current 1125R, I would probably be looking how a payment would fit into my budget.
Then again, I would love to see a V-King-Road-Rod too, or an XL1125R Sportster.
I guess Buell also needs to decide whether a reintroduction of a tuber would create new customers, or just pull current customers away from other Buell models.
You can bet all of these issues have been kicked around the HD and Buell board-rooms more than once.
Bill |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 03:44 pm: |
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40K FOR A TUBER V-TWIN framed chasis...
www.confederate.com 40k would be a "bargain" for their hellcat rebel rouser. |
Mikef5000
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 04:16 pm: |
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Why such a big deal about the "Mass-Centralized" fuel in frame? Does it really benefit that much?
Sounds like someone is in desperate need of a Buell lesson in the "trilogy of technology" |
Jayvee
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 05:30 pm: |
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"You can bet all of these issues have been kicked around the HD and Buell board-rooms more than once."
You know, I would bet they have not been. This is all just us, BS'ing on the internet.
I'd wager Buell company has never even considered 'going back'. Their sales have only gone up as they phased out tubers for XB platform, and the prices of used Tubers certainly don't give them any reason to think they would sell any better now than they did 5 years ago. Onward and upward.
If you want a $40K tuber, build it! I'm working on one myself...slowly but surely. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 06:27 pm: |
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Bring it on. American made, domestically available...
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Jlnance
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 08:18 pm: |
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If they made an M3-1125R-Cylone and kept the price about the same as the current 1125R, I would probably be looking how a payment would fit into my budget.
Serious question. Have you looked at a BMW R1200R? First time I saw it I loved it's looks, and then realized it reminded me of my cyclone. It even has the same "mouse ears" mirrors.
(Message edited by jlnance on April 11, 2008) |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 10:01 pm: |
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It's very simple and well documented IMO...a tube frame could not meet all the design parameters initiated for the next series.
That said I'm fine having an S1 as an only ride (though I'd be happier if I could keep the motor in one piece). In fact it's my favorite motorcycle EVER, even if it has been a bit of a money pit.
I love the XB's, especially the STT. I wish I could afford one...but my next bike will be a supermoto. Damn you Buell where is the supermoto!?
I would even ride a roadrace rep. XL...they're cool as hell, even have authentic nostalgic handling, and may calm me down some on the road. |
Buellinachinashop
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 11:34 am: |
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That BM'r is hot. How much is that? |
Jlnance
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 02:48 pm: |
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I'm scared to check.  |
Badlionsfan
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 03:10 pm: |
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msrp $12,620 + $495 destination charge.
http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/bikes/bike.jsp?b=r12 00r |
Bill0351
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 07:50 pm: |
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That BMW is extremely cool. If Buell had wrapped that bike around the 1125R power-plant it would be my new motorcycle lust object.
In order to really compete, it would have to sell in the same price range as Ducati Monsters and the Triumph Speed Triple, but if they could do it, I bet it would sell.
Bill |
Badlionsfan
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 08:30 pm: |
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That BMW is extremely cool. If Buell had wrapped that bike around the 1125R power-plant it would be my new motorcycle lust object.
my guess is you'll see an "s" 1125 in a year or two at the most. |
Brumbear
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 10:14 pm: |
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heres a tuber for ya
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Jlnance
| | Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2008 - 09:06 am: |
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Reepicheep - I'm trying to recall a post from a couple years ago, and I think it was yours.
The story was of a maneuver you practiced, because you felt it would have let you avoid a couple crashes that you were involved in. I believe it consisted if hard breaking immediately followed by a hard turn. The part relevant to this thread was the statement that the XB could do it and the tuber could not.
Was this you? Can you elaborate if it was? |
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