| Author | Message | ||
     Whodom |
2004 Sportster pics and info: http://motorcyclecruiser.com/newsandupdates/2004HD/ Good: rubber mounted engine, more horsepower Bad: +50 lbs (!) The "retro" paint scheme on the 1200R is pretty cool, but otherwise I don't see much to get me excited. | ||
| Chainsaw |
thanks for the post. I had been excited to see the new bikes, but I was expecting more than this. I love the 03 Road King Classic, I do not like the new Road King Custom...eeewww! | ||
| José_quiñones |
The FXR influence on the new Sporty is pretty evident. I like it. I think it will sell, but over on the XL-List they are already calling it the Dyna Junior. edited by josé_quiñones on August 13, 2003 | ||
| Crusty |
Hey, Dyna; You owe me a Pepsi! | ||
| Dynarider |
Dont think so. Everything I have read points to this being the XB motor with some covers on it. XB heads, XB cylinders, XB oil cooling jets, etc. Of course its carbed but we already figured that much. I am a little disappointed in its looks. Was hoping for something a little more dramatic. | ||
| Dynarider |
Looking at the motor itself a little closer & its definately an XB with a different cam cover on it. Havent seen any primary side pics yet. | ||
| Jprovo |
Dyna, How hard are you looking at that motor? Those engine cases are not XB. No swingarm mount, "traditional" oil filter location, different cam cover gasket surface, strange rubber mount bosses... James | ||
| Dynarider |
Entire top end & valve train is all XB. The oil cooling jets are XB. Supposedly all new crank, rods, etc. maybe the bottom end is the same as the XB internally & its just the external looks that are different? | ||
| Crusty |
Yeah, yeah; and there's no difference between an XB12 motor and a '52 K model. Come on, Dyna; a few common parts do not make it the same motor. The oil cooling jets make it a Twin Cam, using your train of logic. The cases are different, the heads are different, it has pushrod tubes, it uses the old oil filter mounted on the front of the cam cover. I'm not sure how many other parts are different, but enough to make it painfully obvious. | ||
| Jst |
Maybe it's me, but they look very "AMF" in my eyes. Especially the Roadster. JT | ||
| Dynarider |
Supposedly the heads are the same, thats what I have heard so far. Its looking like the cases are different for a cosmetic reason. Otherwise the cams & all internals are XB parts. | ||
| José_quiñones |
   The Pushrod tubes would bolt right in to an XB, just like the XB rocker covers would bolt right on to an XL. Both use the same gear set, starter, primary drive system, etc. You could bolt the XB downdraft intake into an XL and the carburator from an XL to an XB because the mounts are still the same. The new XB and XL engines are still direct relatives of the old XL motor, they still share parts with the old engine and more importantly, their architecture is the same and are built on the same tooling. They are the third generation of the Evolution XL engine. edited by josé_quiñones on August 14, 2003 | ||
| José_quiñones |
The primary side, sure there's a picture of it somewhere....  | ||
| Mikej |
Any idea on MSRP pricing of the new XL's?  Hard to say what that foreward bulge is for on the shown above primary cover. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Power Take Off to hook up a winch  | ||
| Mikej |
Ah yes, could be. Probably found an old mechanical winch off an old Willys. Drive shaft probably runs foreward to the front fender mounted winch. If this new XL is priced around where the current XL's are it may put a dent in the used Harley prices. New XL1200 with rubber mounted engine, or used 13 year old FXR for the same price. Going to talk cruiser-coin with the local shop tomorrow, may have to ask a few questions on dealer incentives to move new products. Wonder when these will hit the showrooms. | ||
| Mikej |
Also wondering if the new XL's retain the trapdoor tranny since the XL engine is not a stressed frame member. | ||
| Sarodude |
Uh, where are the PCV Valves? Am I missing something? -Saro | ||
| Mikej |
(Shhhhh, be very quiet, you're not supposed to say anything about that, shhhhhh.) | ||
| Firemanjim |
Probably hiding behind that aircleaner just like the old Buells. | ||
| Sarodude |
I was under the impression that part of the niceness of the XB crankcase breathing was the PCV valve. I don't know that the XL style breather bolts were valved in any way besides the umbrella valve in the rocker box. A few more weeks and we'll have details. -Saro | ||
| Steve_a |
The XB engines and the new Sportster engines are very, very different while still being family members. More details after the embargo, which the website mentioned above just broke. | ||
| Blake |
Dyna, You seem to have a serious problem admitting when you are wrong. Really. You should work on that. Cause you might be wrong again someday. Blake (awaitingtherebuttalexplainingwhyDynaisn'twrong)  | ||
| Dynarider |
Dude, I am fighting for a Pepsi here..this is high stakes gambling  Hmm half an XB motor, maybe I owe crusty a Diet pepsi? Psst, btw I have always admitted if I am in error on something, you must have me confused with someone else. Maybe an anon? | ||
| Anonymous |
Oh, right, Dyna, you've "always admitted when I'm in error on something"...it's just that you believe you've never made one (or two or.......) | ||
| Dynarider |
Instead of hiding behind the anon deal, why not expose yourself? Its not like what you just posted is any trade secret that will get you fired. BTW yes I have admitted before. Never ever seen an anon admit any wrong yet. | ||
| Dynarider |
Maybe next wednesday at east troy or maybe thursday at the dinner I could make up a little 'anon' name tag for ya. I will write it with invisible ink. | ||
| Dynarider |
BTW..as far as making errors goes. Perhaps we should discuss the little deal of releasing the 99X1 to the public without any reliability testing having been done. Using the customers as Beta testers. This has been admitted in the past by several folks connected with Buell. Ask either Vik or Chop about it. Was that wrong? At least if i make an error on the web it doesnt end up costing consumers untold amounts of $$$$$. | ||
| M2me |
It looks like a dressed up XL engine NOT an XB engine. Where's the PCV valves? I'll bet it breathes through the heads just like the old XL engine! Trapdoor tranny? I'll bet it still has it! Why are they using two very similar but different engines? I don't know.  edited by m2me on August 14, 2003 | ||
| Imonabuss |
Hmmmm, two totally different motorcycles require two different engines? |
