| Author | Message | ||
     Buellshyter |
Where did you get that front fender on the Geico bike? | ||
| Barker |
Like a chainsaw going thru a snare drum. And being that it is a D&D, its gotta be loud as piss. moto-st, yep lets go! If don't have a MSF class to teach. I wanted to go to VIR last year, but could not make it. Maybe an xtra day to see the museum? I haven't been. my schedule should be coming out soon. | ||
| Blake |
Dynasport, Handling is just as if not more crucial than peak speed or HP. All else being equal, a machine that handles better, turns better, stops and accelerates better will win out over the competition. Tires can also make a HUGE difference. | ||
| Blake |
Some race organizations legislate all kinds of complex tech and tech inspection rules in order to try to achieve parity among different engine configurations and also among different teams with different resources. Others simply impose a HP limit, which is WAY simpler and requires no major effort to inspect or enforce compared to the tech/build rules, just a simple dyno test is all that is needed. I can see though that it might be nice to see MotoST raise the SST limit to 130 RWHP so more bikes can compete without having to radically detune or restrict their performance. That way we could get more Ducati's and maybe even some IL4 and Triumph triples competition in the mix; the more the better. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I hope you're joking about the dry brake thing. That is the refueling rig. Not the brakes. I'll be willing to bet you'll see a chain drive on the 1125 by the next race. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Blake, the whole point of Moto-ST is 2 cylinder bikes. | ||
| Barker |
looking good  Toyota?  Racing in the dark? With a firebolt? your doomed!  (Message edited by barker on March 03, 2008) | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
Buell needs to make the 1125 a full fairing ride. Its looks much much better with the salad bowl scoops melting into the body. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Blake, the whole point of Moto-ST is 2 cylinder bikes. Rockets i caught that too. funny. | ||
| Glitch |
looking good And scraping his nice new Buell pucks!  I'd like to go to the one at Barber too. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I'd like to go to the one at Barber too. Let's put it on the calendar then. | ||
| Torquemonster |
I may see ya'll there. Been wanting a reason to ride up that way for a while. | ||
| Glitch |
Let's put it on the calendar then. Penciled in!  | ||
| Ratbuell |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the belt itself held up just fine...the reason they sidelined it for "belt issues" was because of tire-pill buildup on the pulleys, causing the belts to track incorrectly. I don't know about you, but I usually don't toss pills off my tires on the street... I'd suspect the belts will return...with guards. The catch will be figuring a way to get a guard above the lower leg of the belt, where I'd assume (due to the wheel rotation) most of the buildup was occurring. But that's just my take, I'm no engineer  I think it was a helluva first showing. Can't wait to see what the rest of the season brings! | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Racing and belts, at least where tire changes occur, don't mix. You can wrap guards around it till you're blue in the face, and that rubber will find a way to the pulley. That and you can't change gearing for different tracks with a belt drive. Stock set up might have been OK for Daytona, but I suspect they'll want the option of gear changes depending on the track. | ||
| Buellnuts |
GOD!, Put a chain on the Friggin BIKE!! and Race!! Put a belt on the street version. Is it so hard? We seem to have a history of doing thing's uh.....well...not the tried and proven way. I don't think were there yet for belts in road racing . Even with gaurds. Jeeeeezzzzz! %$*&^)(^ Bob | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
My guess is that they will change the set up to chain to allow for quick ratio changes. I don't see a problem with them doing so. The track ain't the street. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Penciled in! Wouldn't it be cool to have a very visible Buell Fan presence (At LEAST 3 pieces of Buell flair per person!  ). I'm sure there are some already, but I'd love to see that presence to become insanely visible. | ||
| Cringblast |
It was good to go and see them run !!!! C. | ||
| Rick_a |
The belt actually began braking cords which had to be cut off after winding themselves around the wheel and sprocket which is why a belt change moved them from the front of the pack to 6 laps down. At one point they were briefly in first. I think it was in the eightyth-some lap that they called it quits. They were haulin' @ss, then the rider slowed considerably and started looking towards the rear wheel. The belt guards would not have stopped tire rubber from getting into the pulley. The front fender is an XB race fender that can be had from several sources. The frame was not bare for weight savings. It appeared that wider outer frame spars were welded on for extra fuel capacity. I'm not sure what mods (if any) were done to the swingarm. Something to facilitate faster wheel changes, perhaps? There is a chain drive in the works but it was not ready for the race. Damn shame. The class is limited to 120hp so intake restrictors were used to keep it under. The measured pre-race hp was 115. I spoke to Bryan Bemisderfer briefly before the race and he seemed pretty optimistic towards these bikes vs the XBRR's. I did see quite a few Buell shirts and hats in the crowd. If you saw a dude with a camo boonie with matching Camelback chasing around a toddler that was me. This must be the first time Buells failed during their debut and people actually remained impressed and optimistic. | ||
| Rubberdown |
"This must be the first time Buells failed during their debut and people actually remained impressed and optimistic." I disagree. The XBRR inspired a lot of hope and confidence in Buell racing. I travelled to watch it in the 200. In spite of the DNF's, there was a lot of confidence that it would be a great race bike ... until Buell seemed to drop it. Damn shame!!! Long live the XBRR!  Much as I liked riding the 1125R it's still a water cooled bike with another's motor. There's a lot of us air cooled guys kicking around wanting a Buell factory air cooled effort. That said ... GO BUELL RACING!!! | ||
| Glitch |
Wouldn't it be cool to have a very visible Buell Fan presence ... I'd be willing to bet that a few 3%ers will try to make it as well. Too bad about the belt issue. It could have been great. But, if that was the only issue, that's a very good sign for the future. To have a problem that is so easily solved, is awesome compared to an electrical gremlin that no one is really sure what went wrong. | ||
| Court |
I'd have to disagree as well. As much as it pained me, one by one, to see the XBRR's leave the track during their debut Daytona 200 run I was encouraged by some of the things that occurred. Racing is a funny thing. Like a souffle' it requires all the proper ingredients, in the proper proportion at the proper time and a lot of luck. I'm excited about the future of Buell Racing. | ||
| Glitch |
I'd be ecstatic to see Buell Racing. But...Buell doesn't have a race team. I do however enjoy very much watching Buells race. I too am excited about the future of Buells in racing. | ||
| Elvis |
Thanks for the great info Rick! Regarding the XBRR, it certainly would be interesting to know how much of what was learned with the XBRR was used in development of the 1125R. It's also interesting to note that based on the (admittedly limited and anectdotal) information we have, it looks like the 1125R chasis is at least in the ballpark of being competitive with the Ducati Chasis (a 115HP 1125R was getting around the track quicker than a 120+ HP 848 . . . and Doug Polen is no slouch). I would hope that some of the big-shots at Harley are understanding what they just saw. If the wizards at BRP Rotax can get some decent power out of a 1200 cc race-tuned, homologation engine, it seems the only thing standing between Buell and some serious Superbike competition is some investment and interest from the people with the purse-strings. Canadian Superbike sure will be interesting this year. . . and some of the locations look like they wouldn't be too hard to get to. | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
I just marked the Barber date on my calender. | ||
| Anonymous |
Rick the frame was bare to allow adding the adapter for a dry break. The stock frame is already over the allowed 4.5 gallon capacity allowed by the rules. The belt "issue" was an accumulation of tire goo that happened over the four days of practice, etc. Sad but true it didn't manifest itself until deep in the race. In hindsight a daily cleaning of the pulleys and it would be a non topic. The bike(s) logged yeoman hours in hammer practice, the team challenge race, a full two hour stint in Moto-ST practice, and most of the race with no belt related issues. An oversight on my part, nothing more. I know, I was there. A racing specific PM problem, not a part problem. The late splash and go was hampered by rubber goo lighting off on the muffler while stationary. No big drama, but it happened. Take this away from the debut. Quickest legal HP lap in official practice. Lots of time in the top five during the race, and led the race for a bit. By all means attend VIR and watch the cars with the bikes. The DP cars are fun to watch. | ||
| Glitch |
Looks to be the beginnings of a most excellent racing season. Live and learn | ||
| Court |
I'm excited about the future of Buell Racing. | ||
| Rick_a |
I looked at a stock 1125R in the shop yesterday and noticed that I was likely wrong about the frame, thanks for the clarification. A tech in the shop rode one and told me it was slow last week. Well, ride it like a Harley, and it will be! All ye XBRR optimists, are well, eternal Buell optimists anyway  . Buell never dropped support for the RR, but the only teams that've kept with 'em seem to be these crazy foreign teams. The 1125R looked shockingly stock. From the stands the stock exhaust couldn't even be heard over other engine/transmission noise. |
