| Author | Message | ||
     Jprovo |
Looks like the same primary to me, same front bump at least. James | ||
| Dynarider |
Same bump, but look at the clutch cover..completely different. Something tells me that sporty above is nothing more than a muell....err excuse me a Mule  | ||
| Jprovo |
I agree, It's a mule, look at that top box! However, the clutch cover probably bolts to the six outer bolt holes on the primary, so it is much larger than the bellcrank hole. It's just more style over function nonsense that HD keeps up. James | ||
| Glitch |
Socal: You've got mail... | ||
| Vr1203 |
Glitch,I disagree with your assessment of dual shocks. On a street bike a manufacturer could make dual shocks work very well. | ||
| Apex1 |
Could be the water cooled version... Pure speculation. | ||
| Sportyeric |
Doesn't the oil filter re-location suggest the wheel base is shorter by the width of the oil filter? That would quicken things up! | ||
| Court |
I guess we could ask the guy who leaked the picture. He no longer needs to worry about keeping his former job. The internet is a powerful thing, eh? | ||
| Crusty |
Why? Who was hurt? What was the harm? Sometimes these corporate policies make no sense. Do they really think that the competition is unaware of what's coming out in a few weeks? | ||
| Arbalest |
Court, are you implying the poster lost his job over the picture? | ||
| Jim_m |
Well, by saying you rode it during the Vrod introduction sort of narrows down who it could have been, for corporate anyway. | ||
| Mikej |
"Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2003 - 12:36 pm: " Post a pic. "Posted on Friday, July 25, 2003 - 05:58 am: " Take the rest of the year off work. Less than 18 hours screen-time means it probably happened within 5 hours of the posting yesterday. As has been noted many times by several people, we be watched. | ||
| Bomber |
whether or not posting the pic caused a real-world problem, the poster, if an employee of HD or Buell, most likely had to sign something saying that he wouldn't leak company secrets . . . trade secrets and industrial security law is pretty fuzzy around the edges, with the upshot being that if an employee tells people something, it is no longer a secret, and, therefor, the knowledge is public property . . . this can cost a company big dough . . . .. if the person that posted the pic promised not to leak stuff, and if he/she did leak stuff, the company may feel (and rightly so) that they are not to be trusted with company data . . . if they can't be so trusted, they can, and in some minds, should be placed in a position where they don't have access to such data . . . .. the AM version is, he or she likely got canned . . . an illuminating story, specially for those on the board who insist on sharing what friends tell them in confidence, I'm thinkin | ||
| Mikej |
There's two levels of data sharing: Level 1: Helping owners to diagnose and fix or resolve problems and situations (could be either part, product, or dealership related). Level 2: Leaking info about new unreleased products. There are at least two levels to level 2: 2a: Correcting or admonishing incorrect speculation. 2b: Telling or showing a pic of a new product. Now, as far as the gray-zone goes, is it fair to post a pic or report a sighting of something seen on a public roadway or byway? Companies can only do so much within the confines of their property. At least one former/current test rider has posted here about showing up at a factory well after closing hours to take out a mule and returning said mule shortly before the day shift arrived, this was probably a way to minimize the potential sighting of said mule, and possibly a way to minimize the sighting of said test rider as well  . I don't know where I'm going with this thought, so it's probably a good place to stop. | ||
| Jim_m |
Though you gotta wonder what the neighbors thought if they were home when they were testing the Vrod prototype (IIRC, they brought it to one of the engineer's homes to see how the VR1000 motor worked in the prototype frame)...of course, no one was expecting the Vrod... | ||
| Glitch |
On a street bike a manufacturer could make dual shocks work very well. Then why does the ZRX handel (INHO) with more effort involved, then a mono-shock type. I've ridden the Bandit1200 and the ZRX1100, I like the Kawi better (Eddie Lawson), but the Bandit felt better in the twisties. Don't get me wrong the ZRX handles well for the street, but I need a bike that'll handel the road... | ||
| Jim_m |
the ZRX's frame is the culprit, I believe. They may have gone too "retro" with it. I'll have to dig it up, but I believe I read somewhere that the frame flexes. It also does not like high speed turns. My buddy has one and says that it tries to shimmy every once in a while when roosting. | ||
| Glitch |
I read somewhere that the frame flexes. I have been known to be wrong...just ask my wife... It also does not like high speed turns.That's what I'm talking about, so, what you're saying is, that "walking away" feeling is the frame flexing? I just thought it was the rear suspension, because the swingarm sure looks stiff enough. | ||
| Jim_m |
again, IIRC, the frame flexing is affecting the front end...so it isn't planted (unlike the XB9) so it's skittish. I don't know if there is a weight savings with a monoshock or not, but a twin shock set up should perform as well as a single set up. "the swingarm sure looks stiff enough." I think the swing arm is the nicest part on that bike. | ||
| Glitch |
If it's not the way it handles, then it would be weight savings. As not many performance bikes, dirt included, have duel shocks anymore. Agreed on the swingarm... | ||
| Jim_m |
I dunno, is Yamaha still planning on the dual shock set up on it's GP bike? I look at it as being similar to the single sided swing arm v. conventional...no weight savings, but it looks cool as hell. Maybe it's a styling thing? I'm sure that's part of the decision somewhere (twin shock = old school) | ||
| Jim_m |
 | ||
| Glitch |
I've not heard anything about a duel shock on the Yamahas.  | ||
| Glitch |
Where from? link please, is there a story on the shock setup? | ||
| Mikej |
SingleSidedSwingarms: My understanding is that they allow for quick rear wheel changes at a track or on the road (provided someone doesn't slap a big old huge exhaust cannister right along side the wheel on the open side of the swingarm). | ||
| Jim_m |
Glitch, http://www.motorcycledaily.com/25february03yzrm1.htm Mike, While they do allow for quicker changes, they weigh more for less structural rigidity (IIRC). Hence Ducati going back to a double sided swingarm. For a street bike, they're the cat's pajama's, but on a race bike, the benefits don't pan out. | ||
| Dynarider |
Also saying they rode it during the V-rod intro means that pic is ancient. The V_rod has been out how long now? Close to 2 years isnt it? In the bike world thats the same as 14 dog years. I dont know if anyone is going to get canned over releasing a horribly shot, fuzzy, 2 yr old pic. Course if this person actually did fired they are more than welcome to explain their side of the story here to clear up any misconceptions. | ||
| Mikej |
If in fact there was an employment departure, if it's anything like I've seen and heard of before, and if the Detroit-Legal's actions in other aspects is any indication, I have little doubt that the departing employee was warned about dire consequences should any further disclosures be made. I hope he/she got their own attorney before signing the exit paperwork to review the parameters of the departure. Did you know a non-compete agreement is not always enforcable against a former employee? | ||
| Rick_a |
Yamaha has been testing a dual shock motoGP bike. There's been talk about it in about every major motorcycle mag. | ||
| Nevco1 |
Jim_M...Don't know if this was answered yet, but the ZRX1100 had a flex problem and the aftermarket provided a brace to rectify it that was reportedly incorporated into the ZRX1200. |
