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Naughtynurse
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is quite off topic. But I know there are plenty of you motorcycle enthusiasts who could give me a fair opinion and feedback on this topic. (Many come here for advice and it is not just on motorcycles- Thanks Blake )

I am planning on either buying a Toshiba HD DVD player or a Blu-ray DVD player. Undecided. Help? Need to know the pros and cons..read plenty on both but really what is better? What is the difference beside the ray color? They both play in 1080i.and convert regular DVDs to better resolution. I need to hear from those who have either one?

Thanks guys and gals!!

I just bought the family one of those big screen Toshiba flat screens for christmas, already have the 7.1 receiver and the surround sound...now just need to upgrade the DVD player.
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Hdbobwithabuell
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 10:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Unfortunately it's not really just a matter of which is better. Some studios use Blu-ray and others HD DVD. This means that if you buy one or the other, you wont be able to watch the movies using the other format.
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

There are some dual-format players out there, so far SAMSUNG looks like the best I can find. Samsung makes top-quality products that never seem to fail. I recommend Samsung for happy best good luck viewing pleasure.
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Pammy
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"There are some dual-format players out there, so far SAMSUNG looks like the best I can find."

But you can buy 2 seperate units cheaper than you can buy a dual(around here anyway). One of my home DVD players conked out at home so I started looking around. I found a Toshiba(HD) for $128 at Sam's club. It came with 2 free movies(that I didn't have) and I have a coupon for 5 more by mail. So basically the machine was free and I get some cool(albeit older) HD movies for free. I couldn't pass that up. It will play all the movies I already have and it will hold me over beyond the time when the final decision on who will be the last one standing. If it happens to be blu-ray, I am not out much as I needed a player anyway.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll be buying an Upscaling DVD player for now. I know it can't compete with the other two, but I'm confident that the competition between Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will end within the next couple years. Either one of them will become the obvious better choice, and become the standard like DVD's are today, or another device is going to come out and blow these two out of the water, and become standard.
This competition can't go on for long.
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Some studios use Blu-ray and others HD DVD. "

Is this going to turn into another VHS vs Beta deal?
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm sitting this one out. 'nuther VHS vs Beta war...
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is not a war. I only want to make the right purchase. Both 1080,whats the diff??
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 12:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looks like Blu-Ray is going to win the war. More storage and yet more movie companies are signing on.

Or you can get the dual player, the price just dropped to 800 : )

I am still waiting for a little while longer just in case.
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New12r
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 01:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is this going to turn into another VHS vs Beta deal?

Already is....
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 01:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tony,wish I could wait but my present DVD player is on its way out. I've been researching the two and thats all I found is that Blu-Ray has more storage but that doesn't make the picture quality any better right?? I'm leaning Blu-Ray on the account that you hear and see more and more. I was just wondering if quality is better or not.
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 01:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Quality is slightly better wit Blu-Ray because of the storage. Meaning that there is more area on the disk to store data, IE visual and audio.

Also the interactive menues are better from what I got to play with at the store.

If I had to get something now, I would get a Blu-Ray...
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Naughtynurse
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 01:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks Tony,
I know that this subject is a war but with the makers. Right now Blu-ray is in the lead...but wanted to hear everyone else's takes on the products?

(Message edited by naughtynurse on January 23, 2008)
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Naughtynurse
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The DVD player we have now I bought for BadS1 6 years ago for father's day..I think that was like a 480i and was not cheap back in the day. LOL

Thought about getting two separates like you said Pammy because we DVR all types of motorcycle races and would not mind a recorder too to save space for all the other things we DVR (another great invention- especially with MY schedule).

Just collecting opinions. Thanks to all who have responded.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 02:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I still say buy an upscaling DVD player. All you regular DVD's will work, but they will come in high resolution. The disks are cheaper, and the Upscaling DVD player can be had for well under $100.

Buy the new player when your sure you're not making the wrong desicion.
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Xl1200r
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I still say buy an upscaling DVD player. All you regular DVD's will work, but they will come in high resolution. The disks are cheaper, and the Upscaling DVD player can be had for well under $100.


An upconverting DVD player is redundant since most HD TVs already upconvert whatever signal is sent to them. Also, the picture might be better, but an upconverted movie still isn't actually HD - you can only display as many "real" lines of resultion as you had to start with.

My advice is to wait at this point - the players are expensive (as are the movies), at least last i knew, and it not certain which way the industry is going to go. Get a regular DVD player with component outputs for $30 or $40 and wait until there's a clear winner.

If you're dead set on getting a high-def player, I would go with blu-ray. The quality is slightly better and it seems to be getting more and more widely used and will probably win out.
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Midknyte
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

more than just a format war though

these next gen discs are loaded up with onerous amounts of DRM
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Spiderman
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

An upconverting DVD player is redundant since most HD TVs already upconvert whatever signal is sent to them.

NO it won't a HD TV will only play the signal delivered to it.

IE My DVD player only puts out 480i and that is all the TV will play,
if the TV could Up-vert all regular TV would look great and there would be no need for HD channels...
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Froggy
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 03:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


quote:

these next gen discs are loaded up with onerous amounts of DRM




I love how each time they try and implement something new, it gets cracked even before it its the shelf.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/0 2/14/hd-dvd-and-blu-ray-are--totally-cracked
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Metalstorm
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 03:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Looks like Blu-Ray is going to win the war

I think that's due largely to the Sony Playstation 3.
It plays blue ray and games! It's also a good value for the price : )

As soon as Sony came on board and supported Blue Ray, that pretty much ended the war before it even got to really begin.
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Buellerthanyou
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The porn industry originally lined up behind H-D DVD, but have since largely switched to Blu-ray. I don't know why, but I think this is important...

HellBuelly J
"Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy..."
--HellBette Davis
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"NO it won't a HD TV will only play the signal delivered to it.

IE My DVD player only puts out 480i and that is all the TV will play, if the TV could Up-vert all regular TV would look great and there would be no need for HD channels..."

+1 on that. Add in a HDMI cable and your pic is crisp and clean.
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Bads1
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 05:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Adding the hdmi cable does not let the TV up convert. It just makes your 1080 pic better but not a whole lot over good gold plate cables. Tried both... the HDMI cable is slightly clearer picture.
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Cereal
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 06:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I didn't read the entire thread, so sorry if I'm reposting:

Blu-ray is the winner. Warner Home Video (Warner Bros) was the largest proponent of HD DVD and they announced a few weeks ago that they will no longer be producing them. They are now going 100% to the Blu-ray format.

With the PS3, WB, and Porn (according to Beullerthanyou) going with only Blu-ray... well you get the point.
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Danger_dave
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ahhh - that's why I like bikers.

Where else do they use the porn industry as a benchmark.

Respec.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 06:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Adding the hdmi cable does not let the TV up convert."

Nope, your DVD player does that, the HDMI helps, as you said, make the pic a little more crisp, clear and clean. By no means will an HDMI cable help a non-upconverting DVD hd.
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Pammy
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Blu-ray is the winner. Warner Home Video (Warner Bros) was the largest proponent of HD DVD and they announced a few weeks ago that they will no longer be producing them. They are now going 100% to the Blu-ray format."

That's what I heard as well. That and the porn industry may well do in Toshiba's HD formatted machines. You know that Sony isn't going to stand by and let another "VHS" situation happen.
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Buellinachinashop
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 07:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I thought I read somewhere that XBOX 360's up convert, anybody know?
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Eengler2
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 09:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If you really want 1080p high def movies. Buy a PS3. $499. Comes with Blue-Ray, upconverts regular DVDs, and acts as a media server: you can stream music, movies, and pics from your computer directly to your TV instantly.

I have both an xbox360 and PS3 the difference in quality for streaming movies and pics is substantial. Probably because the PS3 is HDMI and my 360 is only component cables.

Plus you can play motorcycle racing games when the weather is bad: )

But a nice upconverting player with HDMI would be as good as most would notice.
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Lost_in_ohio
Posted on Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Eengler.....I think you mean media extender. xbox360 and wii can also be used as a media extender. with that I will said, if you don't own a game console the PS3 is probably the best choice.
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