| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
It be interesting to all of us to see what Buell currently has in the works. I could even ask them to tell us here in a public forum. They wouldn't answer. I could then relentlessly bang my head against the wall all day and rant and rave indignantly about how they should answer my question, but to no avail. That would make me a jackass for sure, so I won't do it. I'm smart like that sometimes. You ought to try it. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Another significant bit of geometry not shared with the XB frame? Drive belt location. They are on opposite sides. Keep looking. The differences far outnumber the similarities. | ||
| Frankfast |
Would be interesting to see the coefficient of drag numbers created by wind tunnel testing on both the 1125 and the 1098. Ducati has always made an effort to keep its bikes as "skinny" as possible hence radiator in front and not on the sides. Also, the radiator is radiused not only capturing incoming air but slightly shortening it's width. My first impression upon seeing the 1125 in the flesh was that it appeared wide. That can't be great in the airstream. The advantage of a V-Twin is that it is inherently thin. (Message edited by frankfast on January 12, 2008) | ||
| Rocketman |
It be interesting to all of us to see what Buell currently has in the works. I could even ask them to tell us here in a public forum. They wouldn't answer. I could then relentlessly bang my head against the wall all day and rant and rave indignantly about how they should answer my question, but to no avail. That would make me a jackass for sure, so I won't do it. I'm smart like that sometimes. You ought to try it. Oh get lost behaving like a child Blake. Always trying to make me out the fool. You'd think this was some kind of industrial espionage the Japanese or Italians would pay highly for. It's not. It's a motorcycle chassis. Better still, it's already in the public domain. That means you, I, or anyone else is perfectly capable of getting their hands on an 1125 frame and taking the measurements for themselves and comparing them to the XB measurements. It isn't TOP SECRET stuff, so quit acting like you've something to protect Buell from. It would be very interesting to have the measurements in comparison. Even more so given my thoughts on the possible relationship between the two bikes geometries and how that may or may not have affected the overall design and styling of the 1125. What are you scared of me finding? I could be entirely wrong, and the measurements are no way similar. I'd wager I'm not though. So it doesn't matter what side the belt is placed. Nor that the shock is in a different position, or the fuel capacity larger. What would be significantly telling is if the measurements are related, it would point to the XB coordinates as an important part of the 1125 frame, which for me suggests there's more than just a visual relationship in the design. Is that so very hard for some to grasp after 29 days of argument, even for the qualified engineers amongst us? I don't think so. Let's see the numbers and prove once and for all if the XB dimensions brought about a design constraint, styling issue of the 1125, or not. Rocket | ||
| Crusty |
Always trying to make me out the fool. Nobody has to try. You're quite capable of doing that without the slightest assistance. | ||
| Court |
That can't be great in the air stream. Actually . . . and I’ll leave the torrid discussion to others, it can be. There are significant differences in sub-sonic (fat, round front is good . . see rain droplet) and super-sonic (pointy) aerodynamics. One of the best, although pretty technical, treatises was on one of the Salt Flats Racing website several years ago. Does anybody know if Ducati even does wind tunnel testing? Buell, even in the old days, did tons of it to validate designs. | ||
| Court |
That's accurate. Honda R&D, in Torrance, CA, has two. Yamaha will have one by the end of the month. | ||
| Court |
>>>It would be very interesting to have the measurements in comparison. That is entirely doable. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
Rocket, nobody is trying you out as a fool, you've already taken care of that point all by yourself! And you've done a damn good job of it too! At homecoming this last year Erik talked about the motorcycle company but they won't comment on new products in development, that's the company policy. If you don't like it, that's too bad because they aren't going to change that because of you! | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Well hell, if it's been "entirely doable" all along why hasn't it been done? I have to say I'm getting a bit sick of seeing all these rebuttals with no substance behind them. We're all grown up here, I could care less whether it's the same or not personally, but I can see why Rocket gets a burr under his saddle about it. He's stated his position more than clearly, taken abuse from many without responding in kind, but every time a question gets asked, or a statement gets made, all we get is, "that's wrong, I know it's wrong but I won't tell you why". Well those of you who know, how about treating the rest of us who don't with a little respect, & sharing what information you can, in the spirit that the original questions were asked. I'm not a f**king moron, & I don't appreciate being treated like one.  | ||
| Rocketman |
Does anybody know if Ducati even does wind tunnel testing? In the spirit of good humour only, you could always ask Fedrico?  Rocket | ||
| Frankfast |
"Does anybody know if Ducati even does wind tunnel testing?" I may be wrong, but I believe I've read that Ducati uses a Ferrari facility for wind tunnel testing. Maybe someone on a Ducati board would know. | ||
| Crusty |
That's cutting edge, all right! A bike designed in what, the 1950s? proves, unequivocally that Ducati is superior to Buell. and this jackass claims to be a Buell enthusiast | ||
| Court |
Good idea. . . . . we'll all go cool our heels. (Message edited by court on January 12, 2008) | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Well thank you Court, that's what I was looking for, A full clear response, can't ask for more than that. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
http://www.sfurbanmoto.com/ u ever read this rocket ... maybe u should try to write something for them..then u can be a doer  . | ||
| Rocketman |
I must be doing something right for you to go to such great lengths to discredit me. And to think I've got to go and buy an XB and an 1125 frame to prove what? That you're not gracious enough to settle an argument that's easily, and no doubt from your comments, readily able for you to do so. And weeks ago at that too. I was wondering though Court. Did you start your business of nationwide reputation with nothing but sixty quid in your pocket like I did, or did Daddy leave you a small fortune somewhere down the line? If we're gonna compare achievements, best we know if one of us was advantaged from the start. After all, that smart mouthed education of yours must have cost somebody. I walked to comprehensive school with holes in my shoes until someone gave me a pushbike. End of the day mate, I have no desire to get off my arse and snuggle up to Harley Davidson, Erik Buell or President Reagan. It doesn't make anyone any more important doing so, except in their own head. No doubt your circle of cliquey friends is full of well educated big mouth bullshitters who've brown nosed their way into a lot of things. You're just one of many who keep slapping each other on the back. Hence your ever so important calendar of store openings and presidential meetings. Jarhead my arse. You never left base. Rocket | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
I'd say building a rideable 3.5l V8 bike makes him a doer already, but I'm just a truck driver what the f would I know? | ||
| Dbird29 |
But the 3.5l V8 bike is UGLY and that is the whole point of this thread. UGLY | ||
| Smokescreen |
Jarhead my arse. You never left base. Is that an accurate statement Court? Where DID you go while you were in? Marines have always been about deployments. Even back when you were in. I'll show you my DD-214 if you show me yours.  Semper Fidelis Smokescreen | ||
| Ducxl |
Jarhead my arse. You never left base. That was low.A low blow.  | ||
| Slaughter |
Rocket - you most desperately need a life. However, based on your history here, it's simply not going to happen. It is hard to believe that somebody such as yourself has lived to the age of viable reproductive capability with an attitude such as yours... maybe it is because you avoid human contact - nothing else makes any sense. I'd suggest you need to get laid but I have too much respect for the females of MY SPECIES to suggest that there would be one out there who would consider such a disturbing act (or acts) - regardless of the amount of money or alcohol involved. I am still at a loss to determine just exactly WHAT you think you are contributing to the planet by sharing the lower atmosphere with the other species... let alone dare I ask just what you feel you are contributing here. For some delusional reason, you see value in what you feel "duty bound" to say to us uneducated and uninformed participants on Badweb and no doubt you will continue to do so. You are truly clueless. | ||
| Smokescreen |
That was low.A low blow. Low, maybe. Appropriate, very. Smokescreen | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
i wasnt a jarhead but i left base all the time...left to go to the bar...left to go to the movies....left to go home... | ||
| Blake |
Not all name droppers are frauds or brown-nosers. Not all sharp tongues Brits are as hostile as their written words might appear. Just remember that all Buell forum custodians from Kilgore, Texas are indeed wise beyond comprehension and pretty much always right. ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) This has gotten way too personal. It is sucky and depressing in the extreme. Sean, I should have suspended your posting privileges weeks ago. My bad for not doing so. I guess I let it go because I know all to well what its like to be publicly run down on a web forum. But in the end the best course of action is to remove oneself from the den of hostility. I'm asking that you do that voluntarily for a time, until you can return and for certain rise above all the petty argument and especially elevate yoru contributiosn far above personal commentary, especially insult. Insulting others does the opposite of what we imagine. Rather than elevating ourselves, it pulls us down into the muck and mud. But mainly it hurts BadWeB, which in turn hurts me, on account of I care a little bit about the place. So please, take a break and let it go. You'll be better for it and so will BadWeB and so will I. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
And now for a spirited debate about motorcycles... I would love to banter about what might be, what could have been, what will never appear; Instead I will HTFU and go ride 200 miles tonite after work. Y'all have fun. Wind and weather testing every chance I get. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Sean, What would be significantly telling is if the measurements are related, it would point to the XB coordinates as an important part of the 1125 frame, which for me suggests there's more than just a visual relationship in the design. Perhaps if you would answer some simple questions this thread could be turned back to a sensible discussion. Could you please explain the relationship you would like to prove? Which measurements would you need to prove such a relationship? If you will answer these questions perhaps some one will provide you with the information you need. Greg | ||
| Rocketman |
Blake, you know I'm gonna have something left to say. I was outed from the 'inner circle' years ago, and no amount of olive branches offered by me, yes by me, has ever got me back on side with several here. You know who I'm talking about. Worse still. I only have to be involved somewhere in a thread, and at times it doesn't take much for the cliquey gang to start taking shots. No I'm not cry babying. Just saying it for this reason only - if I do as you say, what's gonna make it any different in a week or in three weeks or in three months? Nothing is the answer. Nothing is gonna change. "They" are never gonna accept or like my presence here. Just twice last month I offered Court lunch in New York for a copy of his book. It's an olive branch gesture that he didn't even have the courtesy to say no thanks to. You know why I bother? Because I am soft in the head. I believe in building bridges. I believe in friendships. So Blake, I will end my participation in the 1125 debate as a matter of friendship and respect to you. If that is not enough, please say so. Anyway, truth be told I am a little pushed for time, as my festive holiday is over, and I have an important work load ahead. Not least of all getting a V8 motorcycle ready for Bonneville. "Doers" see. They're everywhere. Even in the cheap seats. Rocket | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
just for an ending to this never ending pile of horseshit..i would like to say for one i understand to a degree where rocket is comming from ..because..its not that any of the naysayers are happy that think buell might not succeed or that we are happy that the 1125 is a little funny looking in our eyes or that we think anybody that buys or bought one is blind...its exactly the opposite actually...maybe we were just expecting oh so much more maybe we just wanted the whole world to be blown away and be able to bow to erik and co. and say damn where have u guys been...ive said this before and il keep saying it...if buell had 50 years of research and unlimited funds the playing field would be much more even...for what is basicaly a startup company in a field of giants...they have done a bang up job...speaking for myself i still feel very positive towards the brand...owning a buell will do that to a guy...the one thing i remember from recent is the buell rep at the IMS when i said the bike is interesting but i hate the color on the frame and wheels...he told me ..ya know why the bike is black and blue...no why mr. buell rep...cause weve spent the last 25 years getting beat up ...i just wanted a bike on the level of the 1098 that would wow the entire motorcycling community and make all the detractors over the years eat crow big time....maybe i just missed something and others see what i dont...time will tell but in the end were all on the same team...blake is right this is just a pissin match for the most part now...same team same goals..different thoughts and attitudes..sometimes a lot of attitude ...ce la vie buell debate and rocket..we shall meet again. | ||
| Slaughter |
Do we really think Buell could sell more 1098-killing twins for the $$$ that it'd take to do it? Or do you think it'd make more business sense to build a great-handling bike with a powerband that'd be very usable by MORE people on the street...? Realize that the SAME people building the 1125R are the SAME people building the XB an the SAME people building the Blast. The SAME people are/would be doing all the testing - and we're talking something like just 100 people in the ENTIRE company (though they MUST have grown a few more heads since my last known employee figure of about a year ago). I would rather see the Buell folks build a bike capable of DOMINATING endurance racing... that'd be more applicable to me. Wishing to see a top-of-the-racing-line sportbike as their ONLY bike is kinda like wishing for an orgasm rather than a good relationship. Some people strive for one, some for the other... the happiest seem to be those who can find both. Oh and the looks? We already got it that some people don't like the looks. Oh... and the complaint that the Buell MotorCompany doesn't talk directly to certain people online/in public?? Or give 2 or 3 ranting posters on a couple sportbike boards their undivided attention? ... Riiiight... like they're going to gear production to suit the "needs" of a few of us post whores. I for one would LOVE to see the bikes spank everything out there with one model, do another model that is the ultimate sport tourer, another that is a "naked" bike and still put out the Blast, the XB series, the dirtbike - and I'd like to see more expansion of the Uly product line... but more than all that, I'd FAR PREFER Buell to be in business next year! I can't wait for MotoST next season. Who cares which (insert other brand name here) the 1125R will knock in the dirt between Starbucks and the burger stand? I'll still ride and race the bikes because doing so works for ME. I've got a day job that enables me to not have to kiss Buell's butt in order to race or ride. It just works for ME. That really nifty 1984 Honda VF500F vintage racer that I've got in the garage might just yet go lightweight vintage racing this season (if Sunny will let me - it's hers!) - do I think Buell should build a V-4? I am going to finish the Blast/XB hybrid now that I've found another replacement chassis. Do I think Buell should pay more attention to the big single street or supermotard riders? No... they've got their hands full. If they come out with more cool stuff down the road, we'll see what it looks like. Meanwhile I'll continue to be amazed at what comes out of such a small shop, out of the capable hands of such a small group of dedicated folks. (that's about enough of a rant for now) |
