| Author | Message | ||
     Hexangler |
Like it or not, I still side with Rocket on this thread even though it is going to produce nothing positive other than the fact that aesthetics are real important to some. Form follows function = Butt Ugly Bauhaus Minimalist Crap. I wish this American Superbike release had been Fully Faired. (Norton John Player Special anyone?) If it had been, Rocket wouldn't have had this thread. (He's not wrong, that's why this won't go away...) I'll wait a few years to purchase until it is right. Doesn't help any argument to put the Firebolt tail on it either. Looks pieced together, unfinished. NOT INTEGRAL IN DESIGN. Sorry folks, +1 Rocket. (I've voted, now let's see the money...Buell prove Rocket wrong.) Hex | ||
| Rocketman |
Asbjorn, there is great reasoning with your Saab comparison, except it falls down on one finite point. There may be those not liking the Saabs looks, though I can't recall such as it's been in the classic rather than brand new market for a lot of years now, but I don't recall ever hearing it described as ugly. The 1125 is competing in a brand new market, and has been described by some owners, never mind some just looking, in a not too favourable light. Rocket | ||
| Jackbequick |
Thanks Grancuda, the Hyabusa frame is probably the one I was thinking of. It is sort of similar in design. I don't think it was used as a tank.  Thats a pretty bad image but I say its a similar type of frame. Jack | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
"Form follows function = Butt Ugly Bauhaus Minimalist Crap." Doesn't have to be that way. I'm a graphic designer and use that motto on every project I do. The reason why most things are made is because they serve a purpose or must operate. If I build a document or web page and it's smoking hot looking, but offers no valuable info, what good is it? I always add content first and worry about the pretty crap second. Could Buell build a more pretty bike in the 1125r? Oh yeah, but it looks like they took concepts that were working on a previous bike(s) and applied it to their new design. Why not? The XBRR is a proven winner, and the 1125, in my opinion, is a direct decendant of it. The 1125 has grown on me, looks-wise, but I'm still not a fan of it nor will I buy one in current form. It appears to function quite well and its form has followed that nicely. Remember Buell was/is on a leash with Harley, they did the best they could with the money and backing available. | ||
| Hexangler |
Sorry Bullinachinashop, Looks to me that those are just excuses for a hurried, unfinished, pieced together project, brought to market. BMC is capable of ELEGANCE, but it looks like it just is going to take more time. Without Harley, there would be no BMC. I don't ever want to hear the purse string excuse again. I too am a printer, graphic designer, artist, fisherman. You and I both know it's just not finished, and there is no excuse for that. 7P's rule : Prior Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance. Don't show us: "I ran out of time." Hex | ||
| Court |
>>>Without Harley, there would be no BMC. That'd be inaccurate. | ||
| Mikej |
I suspect that if not Harley then Erik and his team would have found another way. | ||
| Rocketman |
That'd be inaccurate. If that is so, can you imagine the fantastic bikes BMC would be making today. They'd be up there with Bimota, Wakan, Confederate, Lazarus, Ghezzi Brian and Zongshen. Rocket | ||
| Ducxl |
can you imagine the fantastic bikes BMC would be making today. Present tense,they ARE making fantastic bikes' today  | ||
| Court |
This is too much . . . I'm not going to play "20 questions". . . but, let me get this straight. . . you want me to believe that Erik Buell put ALL his eggs in the Harley basket? Yeah . . that's my kinda genius.  Let me guess. . . . you also think it was money that made the difference? | ||
| Hexangler |
No Court, they just ran out of time. Back to the 7P's. All excuses for a missed opportunity with an embarrassing world debut. We'll see the REAL 1125r in a couple of years I presume. I think BMC will WEATHER THE STORM (BadWeB pun intended.) Hex | ||
| Court |
>>>>Don't show us: "I ran out of time." See. . .that explains it. I missed the part where Buell said that. I was busy watching them parade 100+ pre-production units (the product of 3+ years of development) around the country to get input and final tweaking based on real world input. Funny how different folks looking at the same thing see different things. Court | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
it took three years of development to make something that funky lookin ? ... yikes... not one person stood up and said...uuh is this the final product cause maybe we could make a new tail section or something to help this flow a little better.......id hate to be misunderstood but hey thats what this thread is all about it seems...i understand the 1125 a lot better after seeing the reception at the IMS but that dosent make it any less funky looking...i understand the buell faithful loving the bike...but really..how many people are in on the final decision for the design...really who is responsible for it...thats all i want to know...3 years...it looks kinda like an XB lets go with that...ok bob good idea its a little uglier but people dig ugly riiiight...yep boss ugly is the new sweet. wow. why cant i ever find a job like that. | ||
| Mikej |
Some just see the head of a jackass and think of how much it's going to eat, Some just see the ass of a jackass and think of how much it's going to be to clean up after it, Others see the jackass for what it is and use it to pull their wagon to the next destination of their journey, and some only see a jackass and figure it's just too stubborn to do anything with so they don't bother at all, And then someone will come along who's hungry and turn the jackass into stew. Not calling anyone a jackass here, just making an observation on life in general.  | ||
| Hexangler |
Exactly, Back to my entry into this UGLY thread. "Like it or not, I still side with Rocket on this thread even though it is going to produce nothing positive other than the fact that aesthetics are real important to some." I remember when the XB9R hit the showroom floor. I was stunned by its elegance. Five years later I finally made the purchase (due to the fact I have very little toy money.) The great thing was the appearance hadn't changed a bit to the 2007XB12R. I don't get that feeling yet from the 1125r. Close, but unfinished in my mind. Hex | ||
| Davegess |
Hex, yeah the 1125R sucks big time. Way too slow, handles like crap, aerodynamics of a truck, it has proven very unreliable (there isn't a single owner who has gotten more than 5000 trouble free miles out of one yet), and the magazine reviews, everyone I have read talks about how bad the bike is, plus add in that it is way more expensive than the Ducati and KTM it goes up against and since they are making so dam many you are going to see yourself coming and going, not exclusive at all. Hex, what world do you live in? What world debut? Preproduction bikes that were generally (not universal but more good than bad)well received would not be a disastrous world debut in my mind. You guys who think they missed the mark, fine by me it's Erik's money and Erik's company I think he gets to place the bets just like Ducati and KTM do. If you want to place a different bet than build yourself a MC company just stop with the endless drivel about Buell screwing up. They built the absolute best bike they could come up with and it is a very nice one. If you think you could do better have at it. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
and there it is instead of any kind of debatable answer or any kind of input as to why it looks like it does all that comes is sarcasm and defensive tactics...nobody said the bike isnt priced fairly and price isnt really my concern if it was a couple of grand more i could give a rats ass if it threw down something worth the xtra money...does anybody here have 5000 miles on their 1125's most of the new owners had a hard time just gettin their bikes outta the friggin garage with all the deal batteries and all..and why did they release a pre production bike...dont most bike makers wait until the bike is...um finished...thats why these threads go to hell in a hand basket...u sit 20 bikers down and show them the 1125 and 18 of them are going to say..interesting but kinda funky lookin..same 20 and sit them in front of the 1098 and 18 of them are going to say daaamn thats nice...to spendy for me but thats a nice bike....all i wanted to know is exactly how it got to the point its at now...so put ur bats away i dont wanna get thumped im just askin. if u like the damn thing thats dandy more power to ya...i was kinda hoping after all the waiting and hype that i would be more blown away than i am and id just kinda like to know whassup with that....sheesh. (Message edited by molly_hatchet on January 10, 2008) | ||
| Hexangler |
Its fun to see people get personal, sarcastic, passionate--you know we all care. Still just excuses and arguments though. Take an Art class and put your painting up for critique. If it looks good it will weather the storm, if not, there will be critics. Elegance is the 1125r engine and rolling chasis. Ugly is the finished product to some. Hex | ||
| Doerman |
Sean, This may have been a regional thing at the time as it seems also that the dislike of the 1125R is a regional thing today (UK - both you and Matt point this out). The gold standard at the time I grew up in Norway (60ies) were something like this Opel or a Ford Cortina:  Whereas the beauty of the Saab 96 was a hotly debated issue:  But the Saab owners were just a bit more enthused about their cars than other owners. I also think that the discussion we are seeing here serves to polarize and as such it crisply defines the Buell demographics and helping the sales of the bike. Asbjorn | ||
| Court |
>>>I think he gets to place the bets just like Ducati and KTM do. Uhhhhh. . . . you would mean the Ducati with the fabulously gorgeous motorbikes that lost 8.5% of it's capitalization to precipitous stock decline yesterday? Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. . . THAT Ducati. Hey . . . and long as all we are exchanging are opinions. I'm wondering if Buell will have all their various awards for design and "art" revoked. . . I mean the ones that had nothing to do with being a motorcycle, like being displayed "as art". . . . oh well. Hex. . . I think you've decided. If I were you I'd NOT buy an 1125R . . the wonder of freedom. What ya think ya'll'll by . . a KTM? | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
let freedom reign...i wonder if the 1125 will go down in history as one of the greatest designs .. or worst..it would be funny if the other bike makers did the same thing in the next few years...then i guess there will be much crow to eat...wouldnt be my first time im kinda startin to like it.as allways time will tell. | ||
| Court |
I don't look for the 1125R to win any more (or less) awards for aesthetics than the A-10. I hope. . .again. . just my PERSONAL OPINION. . . that like th A-10 it carves out it's niche based on it's ability to DO the things it does VERY well. Imagine if you made an A-10 that compromised survivability in favor of looks. . . . Marry for beauty, motorcycle for function. In fact. . I think we should start requiring purchasers of 1125R's to start posting head shots of themselves on badweb and let our budding art community judge them. Frankly. . . if I were buy a bike for LOOKS, it's be a 1996 S1, Ducati MH900e or perhaps a Paul Smart replica. The three are pretty similar and the Buell can also be used as a motorcycle. | ||
| Hexangler |
Court, I bought my dream bike (see my profile picture). I hope the 1125r inspires the same response to those who do. | ||
| Ironken |
O.K. call me a troll here...whatever. And no, I don't drink the Buell Koolaid. But, I am very brand loyal to brands that have been good to me. Buell has done nothing to tarnish their name in my book. Sure in the earlier years, there were a ton of recalls which cost me $0.00. On my S-1 (which was 3 yrs old at the time) the tank decals bubbled waa waa...Two weeks later and 2hrs at a good dealer, presto shiny new tank! There are a few more instances....Did the S-1 look strange? Hell yes. The XB? Absolutely! The 1125R weirdest lookin' one yet! Would I buy an 1125R? Does a bear shit in the woods? I want different! I want weird, I wanna be different! Last time I checked, Is Buells motto, "different in every sense"? They have been consistantly that way for as long as I've been opening my wallet for them. I think Ducatis aren't the most beautiful scooter on the planet. My solution to that....I don't buy them. If you like them, shit, buy 3....I don't care. There is some ticky tacky shit on this here thread.....WOW! (Message edited by ironken on January 10, 2008) | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
In fact. . I think we should start requiring purchasers of 1125R's to start posting head shots of themselves on badweb and let our budding art community judge them. ....sweet jesus....thats funny right there i dont care who ya are...not a bad idea..cept id be ridin one uuuugggly @ss bike if it had to match my looks...maybe we should post pics and let the critics decide what we should ride...  ... there ya go have at it. | ||
| Freezerburn |
That's awesome Molly H. I haven't come up with a bike yet for ya though. LMAO | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
ya well after being so hard on the 1125 its the least i can do...court has an answer for everything ...at least it broke up the monotony a little...hope im not the only one though... | ||
| Ducxl |
FOUL!!!! FOUL!!!! Don't you guys' be dissin' Ducati!!!!   | ||
| Freezerburn |
Before I figure out your best suited bike Brian, I need to know if those oven mitts in the background are your riding gloves. | ||
| Dbird29 |
I know rocket will be riding something Coke bottle shaped.  |
