| Author | Message | ||
     Rocketman |
It's funny really. When we think of horses over here, our first thoughts are not towards cowboys, freedom, or raw unbridled power. We Brit's think of 'rag and bone men', horse drawn modes of transport, cart horses plowing fields or similar, or just plain old shitting in the middle of the road.  Motorcycles on the other hand. Now there's something us Brit's associate with shagging birds, filling in a gang of Mods, and the Ton Up! There's your raw unbridled power right there.  Sean | ||
| Rocketman |
Duc, nice to hear the Fireman had good words for me, lol. I have no brothers though. Not even ugly ones! Just two stunning sisters  Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
50? Ok, I'm reminded of how history wrote it. I have no idea what the actual figure was, but I seem to recall 50 RR's, and that's because 50 XR engines were 'left over'. No doubt I'll be able to read about it via Amazon? Rocket | ||
| Thumper74 |
Court, when's this book coming out? | ||
| Aesquire |
I thought there were only 47? The local dealer got 2 1125R's this morning. I got to go climb on & look at one at last. the pictures don't do it justice. Style is Firebolt with XBRR nose, the radiator pods just look rakish. No worse than most radiator side scoop/cover panel. Better than many. The rear license bracket is going to be the first thing anyone replaces with an aftermarket thing-a-ma-bob, but it's even ok as is. I don't even remember seeing the muffler. I forgot to look. The fairing looks aero as heck, if a little ?Yamaha? looking. If Rocket doesn't want a Firebolt, He won't like this any better. IMHO. Didn't fit me as set up. I may have to wait for the 's' model yet to be, or how about a Helicon powered RS1200? | ||
| Diablobrian |
The Book is due out around March IIRC | ||
| Rocketman |
The problem with the 1125 is Buell are so poor they can't afford to develop a new motorcycle for their new engine. That's why the 1125 is so ugly. Buell had to put their new engine into a cost effective solution. That solution would be to shoehorn it into what is essentially the makings of an XB platform. Consequently, the stylish looks of the XB have been compromised. Rocket | ||
| Doerman |
Or... ...put differently... Buell, through the development of the XB platform,arrived at a very competent chassis, suspension and brake system that could be leveraged in the new Helicon platform. By deploying state of the art analysis and an exceptional pre-production testing program Buell was able to arrive at a competent and attractive solution combining exceptional performance with artful combination of form and function at an attractive price. See! Fixed it for ya! I bet you're happy  Asbjorn | ||
| Rocketman |
Well, I tried venturing in this direction in the 1125 threads, but obviously I touched upon a raw nerve. Helicon platform? It's a modified XB platform. Using words such as 'deploying state of the art analysis' 'exceptional' 'competent' 'attractive' 'exceptional' 'performance' 'artful' 'form' 'function' 'attractive' only serve to prove how easy it is to be brainwashed. Rocket | ||
| Doerman |
My nerve isn't raw. It's ok. As for brainwashing, that is a matter of perspective. The 1125R is a machine that has been borne from new and fresh thinking, hard work and making design decisions based on a matrix of performance and design criteria culminating in an excellent end result. The pundits have not weighed in on the final result, but they did on the preproduction units giving the m a favorable nod. I am only using words and expressions that were used in the preproduction review articles. It'll only be better reviews as the press get their hands on the final product. In terms of your view of the 1125R. It is clear you don't like the final product. And that is a sample of one. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
i wonder how the BKING is going to sell in the states..its not only ugly as hell but its uncomfortable too..im not super short at 5'9" but i felt like it tryin to get on that contraption...the rad pods on that thing arent much better than the 1125...if u stripped off the front fairing and pods and maybe gave it a sean lyons treatment it would be a damn good lookin bike..either one...the next few years shall be interesting to how how the 1125 evolves....gimmie an XBR with that motor and id be a happy camper...all i wanted was about 30 or so more horses the bike was perfect other than that...ooor u could make a nifty 2 stroke version  . | ||
| Blake |
It defies logic that one who has never even ridden a Buell XBike or a Buell 1125R could feel qualified to criticize the engineering or implementation of their chassis. Witnessing such a pitiful display only serves to prove the unbridled arrogance of the critic. The Buell 1125R motorcycle frame has some basic structural and operational characteristics in common with the XBike frames, but it is in truth an entirely new, different frame, thoroughly engineered from start to finish with very little benefit from existing XBike frame engineering. It's an entirely new frame, with new work-point chassis geometry, greater fuel capacity, increased loading, and a new manufacturer. Ducati frames all appear darn near identical. So too do the Japan Inc repli-racer frames, talk about boring. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
how can u tell what jap frame is what they change so often....along with everything else. | ||
| Court |
I've not the breath to argue but most of that information is simply factually inaccurate. The 1125R lived long before the XB was even conceived. . . Argue on . . . | ||
| Rocketman |
part 1. It's pretty simple given the recent double standards, the way things appear to work around here. Some get to post a lot of bull shit in their threads, and they get away with being able to tell others to f u c k off. So this is my thread, where I was told to go with my comments, so I too can write what bull shit I like. And oh yeah, tell you to f u c k off. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
part 2. My nerve isn't raw. It's ok. I was referring to those Buell affiliates and friends who seem unable to debate the engineering surrounding the 1125. Easy tiger! As for brainwashing, that is a matter of perspective. I'd say the best thing about the 1125 thus far, is the marketing behind it. I doubt any other manufacturer could have their customers believing such twaddle when attempting to convince them such an ugly product is the best thing since sliced bread. Looks count. The 1125R is a machine that has been borne from new and fresh thinking, hard work and making design decisions based on a matrix of performance and design criteria culminating in an excellent end result. There's those fancy words again. Sounds like you're trying hard to sell it to yourself Asbjorn. The pundits have not weighed in on the final result, but they did on the preproduction units giving the m a favorable nod. I am only using words and expressions that were used in the preproduction review articles. You never read any of the British reviews? Of the handful I read, they all complained about the same issues. " Fuelling and suspension problems blighted the pre-production launch examples, but Buell assured MCN these areas wouldn’t be grey on the final spec bikes." "The 1125R’s programmable ECU needs further work to rid the early test bikes of fuelling and ignition glitches – stutter at low rpm and on a neutral throttle" "Showa suspension is all adjustable but until Buell and the Japanese company sort the final spec the 1125R has an issue with either too soft or too hard front forks." "The clocks are a modern mix of digital and analogue and useless idiot lights – they can’t be seen in bright sunlight (another fix expected). Pillions will get a tough time from being sat in the upper stratosphere, but then it is a sports bike. The six-bulb headlight will melt ice-cream at 20 paces. Flappy rear view mirrors mean you won’t see trouble with blue lights approaching fast. " "This is a tough one. On most bike launches you get to ride bikes that are thoroughly sorted and usually a latest creation of a tried and trusted formula. The Buell 1125R is all new and MCN’s first ride impression showed some serious and minor faults; from engine and suspension troubles to boot scuffed swingarm and exhaust heat melted right feet. We’re sure all correction work will eventually lead to a rated machine." "At a projected £8495, the Buell 1125R is pitched low enough to pull in a lot of serious enquiries – certainly enough to darken Ducati’s lower order V-twin models. Without question the 1125R is capable of thrilling ardent sports bike fans and newcomers with its tractable delivery. The proof though is in the pudding and MCN needs a second helping of the 1125R in a finished working state." It'll only be better reviews as the press get their hands on the final product. One would hope so. In terms of your view of the 1125R. It is clear you don't like the final product. And that is a sample of one. In terms of your view of the 1125R. It is clear you like the final product. And that is a sample of one. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
part 3. It defies logic that one who has never even ridden a Buell XBike or a Buell 1125R could feel qualified to criticize the engineering or implementation of their chassis. And you feel qualified to praise it, based on what? Your dreams? Delusions of grandeur? Last time I looked you'd not ridden one either. Witnessing such a pitiful display only serves to prove the unbridled arrogance of the critic. Look in the mirror and repeat those words to yourself. The Buell 1125R motorcycle frame has some basic structural and operational characteristics in common with the XBike frames, but it is in truth an entirely new, different frame, thoroughly engineered from start to finish with very little benefit from existing XBike frame engineering. It's an entirely new frame, with new work-point chassis geometry, greater fuel capacity, increased loading, and a new manufacturer. Wow! Ducati frames all appear darn near identical. So too do the Japan Inc repli-racer frames, talk about boring. The Ducati 1098 motorcycle frame has some basic structural and operational characteristics in common with other Ducati frames, but in truth it is an entirely new, different frame, thoroughly engineered from start to finish with very little benefit from existing Ducati frame engineering. It's an entirely new frame, with new work-point chassis geometry, The 2008 Honda Fireblade motorcycle frame has some basic structural and operational characteristics in common with previous Fireblade frames, but it is in truth an entirely new, different frame, thoroughly engineered from start to finish with very little benefit from existing Fireblade frame engineering. It's an entirely new frame, with new work-point chassis geometry, Oh the horror! Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
I've not the breath to argue but most of that information is simply factually inaccurate. The 1125R lived long before the XB was even conceived. . . Argue on . . . From Erik Buell's mouth. "FUEL IN FRAME (U.S patent 6,484,837): Unlike traditional motorcycles, which have a fuel tank sitting atop the frame and engine, Buell and his team spent more than a decade devising a way to distribute the weight of the fuel (as much as an additional 50-60 lb.) throughout a production feasible aluminum frame. The idea was to have at least one hollow beam that could be adapted to hold the fuel, along with a separating wall between the beam and the steering head. The idea really came about while I was racing at Daytona and when I came in for refueling and left the pits the bike transformed from this light and agile machine to a big fat whale and it took me two laps to get used to the additional weight and that got me thinking what if there wasn't a gas tank and the weight of the fuel could be better distributed throughout the frame, Buell says." So Buell thinks up this idea way back in the late 70's early 80's, then patents his design 20 years later. Motorcycle frame having integral fuel storage unit and break-away steering US Patent Issued on November 26, 2002 I'm confused. No surprise there then. When exactly did Buell dream up the ancient V twin liquid cooled engine of similar design that others such as Aprilia and KTM are only just bringing to market as the latest technology in their models? Then I have to wonder how the 1125 could have lived "long before the XB was even conceived. . ." Before the engine was even designed? Before the frame was patented? You're right about one thing. Your information is simply factually inaccurate. Why make a habit of selling such crap here? Rocket | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I'd say the best thing about the 1125 thus far, is the marketing behind it. I doubt any other manufacturer could have their customers believing such twaddle when attempting to convince them such an ugly product is the best thing since sliced bread. Looks count. The marketing behind the 1125R has been great. I love the fact that I got to spend 2 days at Mid Ohio riding the crap out of it. I like everything about the bike. The way it handles and all the features it has....... But looks do count... and so far I haven't talked myself into liking the looks of the 1125R. I keep trying, but I haven't had any success yet. | ||
| Ducxl |
I like the looks,now that i've actually seen it.I especially like the similarity to my XB12r.And as a Ducati 996 owner i'm sure i'd like the engine's characteristics.I would like to eventually own one. But i'd not be Erik's lackey | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
This thread was interesting for awhile, but now it has turned back to what we already know - Rocket hasn't seen the bike or ridden it but doesn't like it. It is not the direction he has been hoping Buell would go. 200 posts here and hundreds of other posts telling us that. Rocket we get it! I haven't seen the bike or ridden it so I am going to reserve judgment as I know that pictures don't always do a bike or car or woman justice. I know that riding a bike or driving a car or being with a woman can drastically change whatever opinion I previously held. Don't you agree? Since looks count I gotta tell you Rocket and no personal offense intended - just making a point. I have seen S1Ws and yours is ugly! Yellow heads - orange battery? Your lights and such other than being different are ugly too. I appreciate that you have some nice bits on it, and no doubt it is fast, but pretty? Nope. I also appreciate the back yard engineering that went into your V8 bike, but you are blinded by the light of being its creator if you think it looks good! I know that others here think one or the other or both are beautiful and I respect that, but neither they nor you will ever change my opinion (unless you make changes to the bikes). My point here is not that your bikes are ugly (they are), but that they are beautiful to you and some others and that is all that matters. It doesn't take 200 posts to come to that conclusion and there is nothing to argue about. We get what you are saying about the 1125R, some agree and some don't. If you think that by endless posts saying the same thing you will somehow change the factories direction and they will build the tube frame bike of your dreams? You are wrong. I would like to see an updated tube frame bike as well, but know we won't get it built by tearing down the bike they did build. How about a thread where we participate in designing this fantasy tuber and let the market decide if the 1125R is the right direction? | ||
| Dbird29 |
Rocket: "Well, I tried venturing in this direction in the 1125 threads, but obviously I touched upon a raw nerve. Helicon platform? It's a modified XB platform. " You are a contradicting liar now Rocket. When I asked why you used a XB picture for your ugly streetfighter photoshop you said it wasn't a XB but a 1125r based PS hack. Now it's a modified XB? Weak, real weak.  | ||
| Court |
>>>I'm confused. Finally. . . we agree. | ||
| Rocketman |
>>>I'm confused. Finally. . . we agree. Which is why I said "No surprise there then". Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
You are a contradicting liar now Rocket. When I asked why you used a XB picture for your ugly streetfighter photoshop you said it wasn't a XB but a 1125r based PS hack. Now it's a modified XB? Weak, real weak. Not only are you a dork when it comes to reading comprehension, your powers of observation are lacking too. I mean, do you actually know your Buells? So I lied eh? Let me ram those words down your throat. The photoshop picture I pissed around with for fun IS a picture of an 1125 I copied off BadWeB. IT IS NOT AN XB. My comments above have nothing to do with the picture, or my lack of desire towards an XB or an 1125. I merely pissed around with the picture to show that the 1125 could look more appealing to us real bikers than what the 1125 does to a bunch of heated gear wearing Americans bent on pretending a touring type motorcycle is a real sports bike. Those same Americans who have no clue about styling motorcycles of a sports bike nature by the way. Rammed far enough? What my comments were meant to say is the 1125 is not an entirely new motorcycle platform. Rather, Buell have shoehorned their new engine into what is essentially a rehash of the XB platform. Clear? Rocket | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
 Saw this on the Hampton Roads Hooligans section and I think it looks pretty cool.... IMHO | ||
| Doerman |
In terms of your view of the 1125R. It is clear you like the final product. And that is a sample of one. Rocket And my "sample of one" is in my garage with over 1,100 miles on it. Of course I am fan of Buell. There's no question about that. The question is why? I have experienced the bike and I think it is a huge step forward in design and function. I base that on personal experience with also having ridden modern liter bikes from Japan Inc and Europe. You on the other hand go with your soliloquies as if living in the world alone. The bike does not meet your standards for beauty. Granted. I disagree, but granted. It is when you criticize the prowess of the bike w/o personal experiencing on it that perhaps you might want to re-evaluate. You made my point siting the articles from the UK moto press. They point out the nits on the pre-production bikes and await the production units with anticipation. Asbjorn | ||
| Rocketman |
Rocket hasn't seen the bike or ridden it but doesn't like it. Spent too long studying it at the NEC back in November, I almost threw up. In fact I did through up when I sat on it, but I swallowed hard so as not to offend the KTM boys across the way. I know that riding a bike or driving a car or being with a woman can drastically change whatever opinion I previously held. Don't you agree? Nope. I don't do ugly cars. I don't do ugly motorcycles, and I've never done an ugly woman. I know. I'm shallow. Since looks count I gotta tell you Rocket and no personal offense intended - just making a point. I have seen S1Ws and yours is ugly! Yellow heads - orange battery? Your lights and such other than being different are ugly too. I appreciate that you have some nice bits on it, and no doubt it is fast, but pretty? Nope. Poor try. I own the best stock looking modified S1W on the planet. Of that I am entirely certain. That you don't like it, but praise the looks of the 1125 serves to prove what bad tastes you have. But don't worry. You're not alone. It doesn't take 200 posts to come to that conclusion and there is nothing to argue about. We get what you are saying about the 1125R, some agree and some don't. Actually, it hasn't taken 200 posts. What really happened was the administration and some seemingly highly important contributors around the BadWeB decided to slap one another on the back in the 1125 threads yesterday, for telling others to f u c k off. In doing so they also pointed the superiority finger at some contributors to the BadWeB that don't share their views towards Buells company ethos, and the double standards regarding BadWeBs terms and conditions of participation. Because of these peoples hypocrisy, I thought I'd wind them up seeing as they're allowed to break their own rules. Rocket | ||
| Xl1200r |
What my comments were meant to say is the 1125 is not an entirely new motorcycle platform. Rather, Buell have shoehorned their new engine into what is essentially a rehash of the XB platform. I'm not so sure I'd use the same brutal language, but I do get the same impression from the 1125. Yeah, the frame is all new, but it's riding on the exact concept as the XB frame. They basically took and XB and put a water-cooled engine in it, and slapped on a new fairing for kicks. Not a bad idea on paper. I haven't ridden one so I can't comment on if it works in execution, but it certainly doesn't work visually. The bottom line is the 1125R doesn't break any new ground anywhere. It's not the first water-cooled bike made, not even for Buell. It's not the first to have fuel in the frame or an underslung exhaust. It's not the first to use fluid-dynamics software to design the fairing. It's not the first to use a pressuriized air box. Not the first to use a bunch of headlights. This doesn't keep it from being a nice bike, however. But again, until I ride one, I wont' comment. | ||
| Rocketman |
You on the other hand go with your soliloquies as if living in the world alone. The bike does not meet your standards for beauty. Granted. I disagree, but granted. It is when you criticize the prowess of the bike w/o personal experiencing on it that perhaps you might want to re-evaluate. Oh wait a minute here. I criticise its ugliness. That is something we can all see. As for criticising it as a motorcycle, you need (like others) to read every post I've put up. As a motorcycle I've done no such thing. As a motorcycle restricted to 116 RWHP capable of hitting 171 MPH, colour me guilty as charged. As a motorcycle claimed to be the most aerodynamic motorcycle ever produced, colour me guilty as charged. As a motorcycle claimed to be able to pass at top speed a Japanese or Italian 1000cc (or close to) super bike, colour me guilty as charged. As a touring type motorcycle capable of the odd track day foray, or sporting ride down a canyon road, I have no doubt how great it must be. It still remains f u c k i n g ugly though. Of that opinion your honour, I plead not guilty. Rocket |
