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Slowride
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 05:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just picked up a new Browning Buck Mark .22 LR pistol for me and the boy to go plinking with this past weekend. To be more specific it is the Camper SS (Stainless/Parkerized) finish with a ridged finger grip and fully adjustable rear site with the fiber optic green dot front sight.





In my past I was a CQB guy in the Marines and typically shoot from a port position in an aggressive low stance with a rapid-fire technique.
I found out this weekend after taking the boy out to shoot, that High Velocity, Hollow Point .22 LR bullets fired at steel spinning targets fragment in the most alarming way, LOL, a 360-degree radius to be exact. We shot over 120 rounds at those little spinning thingy’s and with every hit it was like being caught in the fallout from a dove hunt in south Texas.
My boy is still learning the proper way to shoot and I was very impressed when at 13 he told me while holding the pistol that it really scared him. I was impressed because when the boy was 10 I let him shoot my P89 and my King Cobra with .357 mag rounds in it and he was all excited and quite buzzy about the whole deal. I am impressed because it seems he finally gets that the bullet can inflict life-altering damage when misdirected. He finally gets it; it’s not just a game of (COD4). Those rounds do really kill, even .22LR.

So anyway, I would highly recommend this pistol for those family fun days. You can teach responsibility, recognition and accountability. It is inexpensive to shoot and a great tool for growing the father / son bond. Plus as a dad if you time it just right you can show off your CQB skills and do a rapid fire 10 shot volley and keep those little steel targets spinning and throwing shrapnel all over the place, and just maybe if your as cool as you think you are, your son will look at you when you get done and say “Dang Dad, I didn’t know you could do that. Maybe you could teach me that someday?”…..

Heheheheh!

(Message edited by slowride on December 17, 2007)
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New12r
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I bet that thing is fun!

I cant wait to teach the little one how to shoot.
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In a small and insignificant way, I had a hand in the design of that pistol. Neat piece................
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Wile_ecoyote
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 06:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Was looking at one of those for a plinker also. Guess its a lock now. Thanks for sharing.
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Slowride
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do tell just_ziptab, do tell.

(Message edited by slowride on December 17, 2007)
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Doughnut
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 06:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In a small and insignificant way, I had a hand in the design of that pistol.

It is not nice to tease "The Law"!

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Ferris_von_bueller
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 07:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I pick this up tomorrow after my combined 10 day waiting period. Robinson XCR


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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Reminds me of my favorite: a Ruger mark 1.

I ran the numbers through the factory and it was made in 1954.
You can pretty much do an entire brick of 500 before it gets gummed up and starts to jam : )

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Doughnut
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 07:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

PRETTY!

I carry a Glock 22 at work, 15 in the mag +1, grip tape, and night sights.

(Message edited by Doughnut on December 17, 2007)
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Reepicheep
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

One of my funnest guns is my cheapest.

My wife's great grandfather was a subsistence farmer in rural Kentucky. When farming, he would look for turtle holes. When he found one, he would reach to the bottom, grab whatever he could find, and drag it out and kill it with a .22 revolver from Western Auto Parts.

Its some sort of generic aluminum framed 10 round .22 lr revolver... I have it now, and it is fun to just shoot and shoot and shoot.
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Etennuly
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have one of those Ruger 22's, kinda new compared to that 1954 model. I have trained my wife and all of my kids(now grown) to handle that weapon. Great times shooting up a crap load of different targets using a box of 500 lr's at a time! My daughters and Granddaughter enjoy shooting it even more than I do.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I call it my "remote control for cans" : )
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Gbr
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've never shot one of the Brownings, but I have 3 Rugers. 2 Mk II's and a Mk III. Love them. Tomorrow night starts my winter fun night, 22 league at the local indoor range.
gbr
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Monday, December 17, 2007 - 10:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well, like I said "In a small and insignificant way". Browning reps were on hand at the IHMSA International championships and were wanting to build a new pistol for the competitors that could be on the same shelf as the High Standard Supermatics that were quite popular. They wanted a piece of that pie and asked a bunch of us what we would like to see for features in the new pistol......promising to take our input seriously. Sure enuf, in 1985, they came out with the Buckmark that proved it's self as winner in the 22 caliber class.
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Bcordb3
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 10:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Zip top - Do you ever get over to La Porte City to the Double Archery Shop? If you do, say hello to DaveS for me and I would say the whole bunch on BADWEB. Dave was/is the man for sales/parts, no offense Andy.
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Just_ziptab
Posted on Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 07:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ya, DaveS was the man. Bought my 12 from him. Not sure if I'll ever get over there to his shop, but if I do...............
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Pwnzor
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)



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Bad_karma
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 02:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Are there any current manufactures making a large caliber version of the Ruger MK series?
Joe
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Jayvee
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 03:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Were there ever any makers of a large caliber version of the Ruger MK series?

Unless you mean a Luger.
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Bad_karma
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 05:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sorry, your are correct I was referring to luger. But I believe they where only 9mm. But I though I saw a manufacture, in Brazil?, that was producing a new gun. That was back in the 90's.
Joe

(Message edited by bad_karma on December 19, 2007)
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Buellerandy
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have the standard buckmark and its a flippin blast..however the 2 screws that go into the rail on top of the action always seems to come loose...may have to utilize some locktite:P
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Jackbequick
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 03:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The original Luger pistols were 7.62mm Luger and became 9mm later. That round was also called .30 Luger.

The 7.62mm Luger round was also used in the Mauser C96 (aka 1896) "broom handle" pistols and is similar to the 7.62 Tokarev.

The .45 caliber Lugers were made for entry in the 1907 U.S. Army trials that eventually finished up with the Colt M1911 as the winner. The .45 Luger was a limited production protoype and is considered the rarest of all Lugers. Some think that only two were made, others think as many as six.

http://www.lugerforum.com/45Luger.html

There were a couple of American gunsmiths that specialized in making .45 Lugers. If I remember right, those were conversions made from 9mm frames and slides. Very expensive and uncommon too.

Jack
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Jackbequick
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 03:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nate,

Glad to see someone taking care of a nice old Mark I. If you want to be extra kind to it, shoot it with Standard Velocity ammo instead of High Speed. And some target ammos will not be lubricated, that helps eliminate the jamming from wax buildup. The difference in accuracy with standard velocity ammo is amazing in some guns.

It would not hurt to replace the recoil spring after this much time. You can get those from Brownells and if I remember right the Mark I and II both use the same part.

Jack
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Mikef5000
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Alright, I'll add to this discussion.

I've really wanted to get into 'plinking' with a pistol. I have a shotgun now and go clay shooting a few times a year, but it's come to my attention that my pistol skills are non-existent.

Anybody heard of the Beretta U22 Neos? I (being of a young generation) happen to love the looks of it, although I understand they are quite controversial... and futuristic.

I was thinking of getting the Gun with the 4.5" barrel (Retail $250) and standard sights:

And then eventually (just for fun) getting the 7.5" barrel ($115) for it with either a red dot or small scope:


Since the barrels are very easily swapped out, and you can leave the sights/scopes dialed in on the barrel when you swap them.

Then what would be REALLY fun, would be to get the carbine conversion kit for it!


Anybody know anything about this gun? I've read quite a few good reviews. I just wish the clip held more than 10 rounds.

Is there a source for used guns online? Sorta like an AutoTrader for guns?
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Trackdad
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 04:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here's a good shopping spot for anything that shoots!

http://www.gunsamerica.com/

My collection:

Coonan Model A, .357
ASP, personal favorite, Modified M39 S&W 9mm
Colt 4" Python, Full Mag-Na-Port
USAS-12, 12ga, 20 round drum
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

While on the subject of good cheap guns... everyone should have one of these.

http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_Laminat ed_M44_Mosin_Nagant_7.62x54R_Rifle.html

I guarantee you won't find a better $79 gun...
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Mikej
Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does that carbine conversion kit run you afoul of U.S. BATFE AllOtherWeapons regulations? They tend not to like shoulder stocks on pistols.
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Jackbequick
Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Reep,

I have two of those M44's. Both were converted (by Soviet armories, post WW II) from pre-WW II M91/30 rifles. The Soviet Union gave those to many third world countries for military aid. The ones I have came out of Cuba or Grenada.

I also have a Finnish M39 in 7.62x54mm, that's a class piece. A real tribute to the character, metalworking skills, and military toughness of Finland and the Finnish people.

Jack

(Message edited by jackbequick on December 20, 2007)
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Cecil1
Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

MikeF5000
I have a NEOS and it is a fun little plinker. Mine doesn't like certain AMMO. But feed it the right stuff and it is
real accurate for a fairly cheep 22. I have the 7.5 inch barrel with an aimpoint mounted on it and a 4.5 inch barrel with just iron sites. Barrel change is quick and easy. My kids LOVE the thing no recoil and they can pretty much hit anything they shoot at under 50 meters with it. And with the price of 22 ammo I can shoot with them all day for next to nothing.

Tim
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 12:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Like the 6.5x55 Sweedish M96 Mauser. Another $79 surplus piece. Built in 1903 (I think), Smoothest bolt action I have ever used.

It could be sporterized into an outstanding bolt action, but I can't bring myself to modify something so well done when it was made, and so intact more then 100 years later. 100 years later, it's still a *fine* rifle and a great cartridge, no excuses.

I can't believe these pieces of history go so cheap... Those laminated M44's were soviet production from *during* WWII. Those Sweedish Mausers are 100 years old and finely crafted. I wish I had money to collect more different types. A good enfield, and an M1 carbine would be next on my list.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BTW, AimSurplus also had (has?) those old Russian revolvers that use that same Broomhandle Tokarev ammo. A cool design with a cylinder that moves in to seal against the barrel before the cartridge fires.

Probably not worth the extra mechanics for the minor performance advantage, unless I suppose you had a class 3 license and some sort of burning desire to have a silenced revolver.
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