| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
http://www.ksdk.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid =133467 The article states that "A driver told police several motorcycle riders threw a rock through his rear vehicle window. A back seat passenger suffered minor injuries after getting hit with the rock." Ever try to throw a rock through a car window while riding a motorcycle? | ||
| Jackbequick |
"..Ever try to throw a rock through a car window while riding a motorcycle?..." Not to trivialize the issues here, but how does that work? If you're riding 80 MPH and throw a rock 60 MPH, is it doing 140 MPH when it hits a stationary object? Of it is like the "jumping in the air just before the elevator hits the bottom of the shaft" thing? Whereas it simply does not work because of the laws of physics? Jack | ||
| Glitch |
I've noticed a rash of these reports. I'm sure some of them are valid, like the ones that have witnesses. A driver told police several motorcycle riders threw a rock through his rear vehicle window. If it were the rear window, I'd call BS. If it were the rear door window, I could see it happening a little easier. While not one to be throwing anything but insults from a moving motorcycle, there are people that are bent on destruction, some of them even ride motorcycles. | ||
| Brumbear |
I'm telling you I think his daughter was crying cause the guy is a crackpot nutjob. I smell lots of it here especially from the newscaster. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Was the lady who also called 911 also a crackpot? Something happened. I'd say you have a driver who did something offensive to a group of interstate "stuntahs" and they worked to exact some street justice. Rushing to defend riders just because they are is kinda silly. | ||
| Saintly |
Let's see.... The motorcyclists were kicking his car and throwing stuff at him. How much do you want to bet, that this clueless individual had recently nearly taken out a biker with some half-assed driving manuever? He clearly had a cell phone on him, because he's using it to call 911. I'd bet anything, that he was chatting on his cell phone and not paying attention while driving. He probably nearly killed a biker, and didn't even realize it. He's just facing the wrath of his irresponsible actions. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I've thrown a 10 lbs sledge hammer at the back window of an old Buick and the damn thing BOUNCED OFF! A rock? From a moving bike? Sound iffy, but not impossible. | ||
| Jlnance |
There is a woman in Virginia serving two years in jail for throwing a cup of ice at a driver in another car. Don't be throwing things at cars. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic le/2007/02/17/AR2007021701560_pf.html | ||
| Meandrlily |
Where did the motorcyclist get the rock? You can't exactly pick one up off the road when driving down the freeway... Maybe he keeps a bunch in a tank bag as ammo? | ||
| Brumbear |
Why wouldn't the guy say where he was | ||
| Buellerandy |
nevermind (Message edited by buellerandy on November 08, 2007) | ||
| Court |
This is akin to discussing a Buell warranty issue.  In NYC we do it right . . . thug came in a deli yesterday, brandished a gun, fired two shots. Today he's recovering in the hospital minus one ear and one finger. . . . HINT: A gun, unless you're real good with it, is no match for a pissed off Botswanian deli owner with a razor sharp meat cleaver. | ||
| Xb9er |
my luck i couldnt throw the rock as fast as i was traveling and the rock would go backwards and hit my helmet and knock me off the bike. | ||
| Coal400 |
That criminal should learn his lesson. You can usually find a hero at a deli... art art art  | ||
| Ratyson |
Not to trivialize the issues here, but how does that work? If you're riding 80 MPH and throw a rock 60 MPH, is it doing 140 MPH when it hits a stationary object? If you are traveling at 80mph, and throw a rock at 60mph in the same direction of travel, yes, the rock will be traveling at 140mph with respect to the ground (stationary object), for a short time. Then wind resistance and deceleration due to gravity then kicks in and slows the object you threw. If the rock hits a stationary object, it will hit it with a combined force (that of your forward motion + the velocity that it was thrown - the wind resistance - deceleration due to gravity). If it was to hit the stationary object directly after you threw it, it would impact with a speed very close to 140mph.} (Message edited by ratyson on November 08, 2007) | ||
| Court |
Gads . . . this always takes me back to the guy who told me about two cars having a collision when each was traveling 50MPH in opposite directions. He told me "gads, that's like hitting a brick wall at 100mph". I laughed. You can't agrue with folks like that. But . . .try my logic. What we are dealing with is deceleration. Imagine you are in Car "A" going 50MPH and hit a brick wall. You decelerate, rather quickly, from 50MPH to 0MPH. If you hit another car (and I'll let Blake add all the caveats that the cars must be the same mass, alignment, etc) and you are both traveling 50MPH. Guess what . . again you go from 50MPH to ZERO. Ergo . . the energy to be dissapated is equal in both the cases of the two cars hitting head on and the car hitting the brick wall. The rick thrown from the bike is much akin to what pilots deal with when they talk about "air speed" and "ground speed". I always understoon the theory but it wasn't until I left the tiny town of Eureka, KS headed to Wichita, KS with a brisk Westerly wind one day. It's funny to be in an airplane, thottle wide open and going BACKWARDS. This, as some of you have witnessed, is the reason that with a stiff head wind and a carrier making 30 knots, it's possible for some aircraft to be traveling BACKWARD, with respect to the water, making a carrier landing. Okay . . thanks for the help with my homework! | ||
| Ratyson |
Are you saying that the rock thrown from a moving platform (the bike), hits a stationary object with the same force as the same rock thrown from a stationary position? | ||
| Court |
NEW YORK POST 'CHOP' SHOP By TOM LIDDY and ED ROBINSON November 8, 2007 -- A Queens bodega owner, armed with a machete, hacked a finger off an armed robber yesterday, cops said. "He had a gun and I took him out," said store owner Johan Marte, 45, who was behind the counter at Erick Deli Grocery in Woodhaven when the suspect came in at around 5 p.m. The gunman fired two shots, neither of which struck Marte - then demanded cash, police said. "He was covered with something on his face," said a 19-year-old witness. "The owner pulled out a machete and started swinging at him." Marte, who kept the machete near the counter, struck the robber several times, "I cut his hand, I cut his finger, I cut everything," he said. "When the guy has a gun and you have a machete, it isn't easy." The unidentified suspect, 28, was taken to Jamaica Hospital in serious condition. A gun was recovered at the scene and charges were pending against the hospitalized man. There was no immediate word as to whether Marte would be charged. But his daughter, Fanny, 20, insisted he did nothing wrong. " I would have done the same thing," she said. The daughter described Marte as "brave," but a "very calm person," who's been threatened before. He emigrated from the Dominican Republic 20 years ago and saved up to buy the store last year. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Then wind resistance and deceleration due to gravity then kicks in and slows the object you threw. Not to nit pick, but gravity doesn't cause any deceleration, unless the object is thrown at an upwards angle. Even in that case, it will cause the same amount of accelration as it falls back down, provided the target were at the same level as the point of departure. Wind resistance to something as dense as a rock probably would be negligiable for the amount of flight time it would have to hit an object any reasonable distance away. In short, if you can throw a rock really fast, and you throw it from a vehicle that's moving really fast, it be going really really fast. However, the car was probably moving, too, so both objects may have well been stationary. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
People do stupid $hit all the time. Kicking their car, throwing things at their car, running them off the road are all criminal offenses. I'd like to kick other's ass when they nearly kill me, but my actions seeking street justice will result in criminal offenses ranging from assault to 1st degree murder depending on the outcome. It really doesn't matter who was at fault here. When John Q Public starts slinging $hit at "riders", we will all get splashed. Deal's Gap is a prime example of this. JQP complained about "those damn motorcycle people" and we lost one of the best roads in east TN. I'm sure the guy in the car is a raving psychopath, but the actions of the rider group only serve to confirm an entrenched negative opinion of riders in general. This event will do nothing to change the bad behaviors of John Q Public, but will serve to curtail the activities we enjoy through guilt by association. | ||
| M1combat |
"I've thrown a 10 lbs sledge hammer at the back window of an old Buick and the damn thing BOUNCED OFF!" I threw a water balloon at the FRONT window of a Geo Metro and it shattered the window... It was safety glass so it didn't fall in but still... Granted, I was doing 80 in one direction and she was doing 40 in the other... | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>but the actions of the rider group only serve to confirm an entrenched negative opinion of riders in general.<< So what are you going to do about it. I was on interviewed on breakfast television yesterday morning for the local MRA ride. Rode up to TV1 with the reporter on the back of the Uly and talked about the benefits of riding on live TV. Apparently it went over real well. Yin their yang, bruddah. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
So what are you going to do about it. I sure as hell am not going to excuse poor behavior by stating that the other guy deserved it. It's part of being in a society of laws. We don't get to make our own justice. We must have justice served by law enforcement. Sometimes that results in an outcome we feel is unfair. The alternative result is lawlessness whereby everyone has the ability to meade out justice as they see fit. Most of the time the penalty is much more severe than the crime. Let's say that this guy did pull over and these guys did pull him out of the car and accidentally or intentionally killed him. Did that fit whatever he did? I have a temper. I'm not saying that this guy is squeaky clean. I probably would have wanted to beat him senseless had he pulled over on me (if this is actually what happened). Now what has been created in this 911 caller is a person who will carry a chip on his shoulder about riders. So will the lady who also called 911 as will just about any non-rider these two come in contact with. When we are in our leathers and helmets, they can't tell the good ones from the bad ones. JQP simply lumps us all together. Damn, I'm gettin' soft in my old age. | ||
| Glitch |
Damn, I'm gettin' soft in my old age. That's what she said | ||
| Danger_dave |
>>they can't tell the good ones from the bad ones. JQP simply lumps us all together. << So do your best to make them think positively was mah point. My uneducated guess is that there was some sports bike riders who had all just been booked for speeding, decided to make a 'protest' and it got ugly. Stoopid is as stoopid does. Organise a toy run, get a group to donate to the blood bank, etc etc - get it in the local papers and win opinion back. It's easy. I've been doing it for a few years. With some success. as gas goes up - more and more everyday people are riding - scooters - minis etc. There are plenty of ways to win little old ladies support - show them little old ladies riding. Fight fire with hose - get it?!?!?! | ||
| Glitch |
D_D  | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
I agree completely Dave. Wasn't the solution others were proposing. We each are ambassadors for our "sport". We can't pull a Charles Barkley and claim we aren't role models. | ||
| Rainman |
I'm not a role model. I'm a newspaper reporter. | ||
| Danger_dave |
My god! - Your liver!!!!! :-P | ||
| Rainman |
Luckily, it regenerates itself. In fact, I was recently told I should go regenerate myself, although not quite in those exact terms. (Message edited by Rainman on November 08, 2007) |
