| Author | Message | ||
     Birdy |
Only 2 weeks old too. Is it OK to patch this until I can replace it or slime it just to hold on until it's to cold and snowing to ride. I'd say a couple of weeks or so and I'm not pushing at all. OR should I just suck it up and fork over the cash (around $200.00 mounted and balanced)? Birdy | ||
| Barker |
I would say get a new one. On a sport bike tire: plugs, patches, slime are all crutches not fixes. 200 mounted and balanced, you should be able to do better than that. What tires are you running? | ||
| Birdy |
the Pirelli Scorpions SYNCS, that came on the bike. (Message edited by birdy on October 25, 2007) | ||
| Bcordb3 |
I would guess that would be a good price. The tire would be about $140.00, balancing about $35.00, dismount and mount whatever the hourly charge is at the dealer. | ||
| Barker |
I do my own mount and balance, but I used to get cycle gear to mount and balance for 15 a wheel, off the bike. Remove/intall on a XB is a cakewalk, and a great way to save on $. 35 for balancing!! I made my own balancer for 30. | ||
| No_rice |
if you put a new one on you can give me the tire  | ||
| Ducxl |
My XB also picked up a nail.It will wait till i can get a new tire.Meanwhile i'll ride my X1 | ||
| Reepicheep |
Rice beat me to it  Don't pull and patch the tire from the inside. It will make you go bald, and make the ice cream in your freezer melt. Or something. Pull the tire, ship it to me, and I promise to safely dispose of it ;). I'll even pay shipping. | ||
| Birdy |
That's what I'd thought I'd do BUT no one around here will do it, fear of the big LAW SUIT if it blows out. I just want to ride a little back and forth to work NO Turn and Burn! After the start on the new year I'g buy a new one, to many things to get for Christmas to buy one right now. (Message edited by birdy on October 25, 2007) | ||
| Doz |
I ran a pugged tire till it wore out, ran it up over 100mph many times. But then I'm not wrapped too tight anyway. Better safe than sorry would probably be the best way of thinking. But definately do not slime!! | ||
| Buellfighter |
Umbrella patch (combo patch/plug) and go. | ||
| Buellshyter |
Can someone explain to me how a tire would "blowout" when the original hole was caused by a nail. Even if the patch completely failed, it seems to me the worst that can happen is the hole leaks air. Oh, did I mention I just threw away a low mileage tire with a nail hole in it and replaced it with one of those $200 tires.  | ||
| Diablobrian |
Ask the guys behind me at homecoming 2006 if a plug can blow out of a tire in dramatic fashion even if you are riding conservatively (less than 350 mi on the tire and less than 150 on the plug) I was fortunate that I did not go down. It was one of the sticky string plugs, installed correctly. I was planning on getting a new tire (It was a Diablo Corsa) at the track on saturday anyway, but I am now thoroughly convinced that plugs are good for getting you home, but no more than that. A patch from the inside is a much better option, but remember that your tires are an absolutely critical part of your suspension, braking, turning and acceleration. If you can't fix it right now, park it until you can. This isn't something to take chances with in my opinion. Some people have gotten away with plugging tires and having them hold, but that is anecdotal evidence about the reliability of this kind of repair. If your local shops are afraid to repair it for fear of liability that should tell you something. | ||
| Gotj |
"Some people have gotten away with plugging tires and having them hold, but that is anecdotal evidence about the reliability of this kind of repair." Kind of like the above post about the un-reliablility it would seem? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Make sure you distinguish between the sticky rope plugs that go on from the outside, and the "pull the tire and install professional patch from the inside and remount" repairs. Apples and oranges. If I put in a rope, it is to get me home so I can throw away the tire. If I pull and patch, and there is no obvious other carcass damage, I ride it like it is new. | ||
| Diablobrian |
Exactly my point Gotj. Talk to the experts if you want to know the truth. Some manufacturers say that a proper patch from the inside or umbrella plug are ok, but they ALWAYS add the qualifier "as long as there is no structural damage to the tire's carcass" or words to that effect. without an x-ray it is very hard to tell if the structural cords have been damaged. That is why most shops will not do a patch on a street bike tire even if they do dirt bike tires all day long. Unlike car tires where as long as it's not on the side wall you're pretty much ok, and besides even if it does go flat you're most likely not going to be in a life threatening situation, on a bike tire a flat is almost always a very serious thing if you are in motion. Let your conscience be your guide just like with the rest of your life it's a dice roll. Decide if the risk is worth the reward and go with that. | ||
| Mr_grumpy |
Umbrella plug ifyou're not going track day or loony. Use 'em regularly on the rigs, running on big singles at 40 ton & more, & I've not seen a plug blow out yet. I know it's not the same application, but the principal's the same; THE TYRE CARCASSE MUST NOT HAVE ANY STRUCTURAL FAILURE. This means if it's just a straight nail or screw hole you should be ok, but if there's any other damage, like a tear, around the hole, junk it. If in doubt, junk it! | ||
| Cyclonedon |
plug it and ride!!! I put 9,000 on my Dunlop D616 after I had to plug it. I ran over a screw. I never had to add any air to my tire after I plugged it. Most people don't get 9,000 miles on new tires period, much less than plugged ones!!! | ||
| Rick_a |
Though no factory dealer would install one, I've never heard of an internal plug failing. | ||
| Etennuly |
Take out that nail and put in a screw. Everybody knows a nail will never hold! | ||
| Barker |
+1 etennuly yep, nothing like a good screw. | ||
| Birdy |
Well I put in a mushroom plug to hold while I get a new tire in. I'm not going to be racing or anything and I had to something just to be able to roll it around the garage. Barker Birdy | ||
| Sanchez |
I have no real statistics to back this up, but anecdotally I've read many badweb posts about the reliability of plugs. Diablobrian is actually the first person I've ever seen post here about a plug failing. Prior to this, the worst I'd seen was someone who got a slow leak with a mushroom plug. Personally, I put a string plug in my own tire last week, and so far it isn't leaking at all. | ||
| Gotj |
Maybe we ought to conduct a poll on plug use. I don't know how though. Add me to the list of successful plug users. About 2,500 more miles worth of riding on a string-plugged tire. | ||
| Chainsaw |
+1 Took a nail in a rear tire with 1000 miles on it. Wore the tire out with the original self-installed rope plug still in it. | ||
| Etennuly |
In the three and a half years I've been running Buells with Scorpion Syncs, I have run two gooey strip plugged rear tires for over 3000 miles up to 130 MPH (after many miles to be sure though). Never had any problems except for the tire still wearing out. |
