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Jaimec
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?Ar ticleID=5460&Page=1

This opens up a whole range of possibilities. Cheng Shin??
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Glitch
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't care for the profile at all.
You try 'em first, let me know how bad they stand up under braking.
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Barker
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 09:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

ditch finders
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Going to the link supplied, it appears that these tires cost about eleven dollars less that the last pair of Dunlop Qualifiers I bought on the 'net, including shipping.

That doesn't seem like a whole lot of money, considering the entire mission value of a fast moving Bad Webber on his Buell of choice.

Even this cheapskate will take a pass on that one.

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Djkaplan
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 02:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tires are the last thing I want to worry about... when I get worried on the bike.
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Old_man
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 02:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would not gamble on tires to save a few dollars.
I got rid of the original Dunlops with less than 1000 miles on them.
Good tires are too important for safety.
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Andrejs2112
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 03:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The only thing made well in China is the food. A few saved dollars on a very important system on your bike is NOT worth it. When you are in the hospital(if you're lucky) with bills stacking up, you'll wish you paid the extra money. I guarantee it. IMO.
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Barker
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 05:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

supplied link 120/180 set of ditch finders shipped = 223.98

Last set I bought, Pilot Powers 120/180 shipped = 239.95

heck, cycle gear had Qulifiers for 189 a set last week.

for $16 more I'll go with the pilot powers. better lean, grip, and life.
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Wile_ecoyote
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 06:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I agree with Oldman, not worth the worry or hassle to order and find out how well my bike makes for a tent stake.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 06:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I considered these a month ago (I think I even posted here).

Then I looked them up, and ever review I read was bad.
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Indy_bueller
Posted on Monday, October 22, 2007 - 07:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Buddy up with your local Buell racers and buy some tear-offs.
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Jandj_davis
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 01:04 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Those actually cost more than the set of BT-014's I just bought. Why would I want them again?
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Beachbuell
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 07:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I don't like to skimp on tires. You get what you pay for. My life is worth the good stuff!
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Mikef5000
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 09:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Those tires were very cheap at Iron Pony. I believe they were about half the cost of most everything else.
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Jaimec
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

After reading some of the comments here, I'm wondering how many posters actually READ the article? Other than some "odd" handling to which the author seems to have adjusted, the tires performed rather well.
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Try 'em out, and report back.
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Barker
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have used a set on my X1. Rear lasted 2500 miles. The Dunlop 207's were alot better tire, and I hate dunlops.
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Wolfridgerider
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

They look very tempting... I had set of Yokohama tires on my Miata and they stuck like glue. So, If Shinko bought the rubber recipe from them,
they should be good car tires..... I would give them a shot at a track day with a set of Pirelli's waiting in the wings.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

After reading some of the comments here, I'm wondering how many posters actually READ the article?

I read the article, and was shocked! Every other review I've read on them was terrible.
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

No offense intended or taken, but it should be obvious from my post that I had not only read the article but I had followed an enclosed link.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the reviewer did not exactly rave about these tires:

"This is a very affordable low-cost alternative to the bigger-buck tires on the market today. "

My point is that one can purchase Dunlop Qualifiers, one of the highest rated tires out there, for $11 more. ( One brother reported finding them for LESS than the Shinkos).

Assuming a value of the motorcycle and gear of $10,000. (not to even mention the all important issue of rider safety), I do not believe that a saving of one tenth of one per cent of the total mission cost would justify making ANY compromise in tire quality.

Perhaps if these tires cost a $150 a pair, we would have something to talk about. Even then, I wouldn't be interested myself: tires are critical to handling, and Buells are all about handling.

"Penny wise and pound foolish" I should say.

OK?

(Message edited by gentleman_jon on October 23, 2007)
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Djkaplan
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think this type of product is what most urban stunters need, certainly not for strafing apexes.
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Tq_freak
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 04:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

DJ I agree, if your just going to burn them off doing circle burnouts or stunting then its not a big deal what you put on the back. But for using the bike as intended, $11 extra bucks for a great tire is a no brainer for me.

For me tires are like sneakers. You know how happy your feet are in a great pair of sneakers? and how miserable they are in a crappy pair. I'm about 800 miles into a set of road attacks now. So far I like them, I wanted something with a little longer change interval then the m1 sporttecs. the last set I had only made it a little over 3k miles.
I guess that's what happens when you ham fist the throttle all the time
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Djkaplan
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I wanted something with a little longer change interval then the m1 sporttecs.

I don't have a clue about Road Attacks, but the Metzeler M3s doesn't seem to last as long as the old M1s did. I toasted the front one in less than 5000 miles... on the sides, not the center. Got plently left in the center.

I love them though - great breakaway characteristics. It's the only tire I've felt comfortable enough to actually push the front.
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Mikef5000
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 06:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Perhaps if these tires cost a $150 a pair, we would have something to talk about.
You can get them in XB sizes for $166 a pair.

I found a few reviews saying they are good for drag racing if you drop the pressure quite a bit, but that they seriously lack in the cornering department.
Maybe the reason the Main Reviewer didn't think they were too bad was because the bike he was on made up for it?
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Limitedx1
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 10:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i recently bought a rear tomahawk sport t3 in 180, for 75 bucks to the house. was very impressed with how sure it felt underneath me. i am no where near a track rider and i experiment more and more on the twisties around here. cant tell any difference in handling over the half gone dunlop it came with. and flick a bility with the 180 is still very nice in my opinion.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 - 11:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Nothing against Motorcycle-usa, but their opinions don't carry too much weight with a lot of people here.

It takes time to develop a reputation and gain the trust of riders in general. Shinko will have to get more than one or
two good reviews to get any real respect.

In order to ride fast, or stop fast you have to have faith in the tires you are on and their ability to stick.

The peace of mind that comes from knowing you have more traction than you can use is in-valuable to most riders.

So if people are not converted by one article don't get offended. We are creatures of habit.
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Jaimec
Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 08:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've heard for a longer life tire, the Roadtec Z6's are the ticket. I haven't used the Sportec M3's yet as I really love the way the bike handles with the Sportec M1's, and those are way cheaper (big price drop once the M3's came out).

I think my next set of tires will be the Z6's since I'm a cheap bastard and don't like replacing my tires so often. It's not like I live on a racetrack here...
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Djkaplan
Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 09:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I haven't used the Sportec M3's yet as I really love the way the bike handles with the Sportec M1's

I loved the M1's and really, really love the M3's, but I got less mileage out of them. Even so, I think the trade off was worth it. I don't live on a racetrack, but the roads I enjoy my bike on are pretty twisty... the twistiest perhaps.
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