| Author | Message | ||
     Badlionsfan |
I used to live out in the sticks (heck, I'm from the U.P.!) and out in the sticks, who cares if your pipes are a little loud. the loud pipes on snowmobiles scare the moose away. | ||
| Jimidan |
Is it considered liberal to listen to Click and Clack, the Tappet brothers from NPR's Car Talk? Those guys are great. The one redeeming program. Car Talk is only one of many great programs on NPR...it is hardly Air America and certainly not Rush Limpballs style talk radio. It is funny how there has been a paradigm shift with some folks now thinking that "fair and balanced" is FOX news, instead of the real thing...NPR. Like beauty, 'truth' seems to be more in the eye of the beholder more than based on a factual accounting. Regarding loud pipes, I find that it really isn't just HD's that are the most obnoxious, but all cruisers seem to have straight pipes on them these days. They all sound way too loud and the Jap bikes are terrible...Blat, Blat...Blat... They are announcing to the world that they are not interesting enough for any one to notice them so they need to make loud noises like a child who prefers negative attention to no attention at all. So, the cruiser rider is constantly blipping the throttle to make sure all folks around him can see his fringe fray. Posers, can't live with them, can't kill them. | ||
| Jackbequick |
The majority of the pipes that are too loud are after market accessory items. Some go to changing the look and/or style of the exhaust system but the majority are also louder than stock and also have easily removed/modified for more noise baffling. Some of them do not even come with any baffling. I would not have a problem with an agency (state or federal) having to certify that the noise levels are not excessive for accessory exhaust systems. And the same people could do the rice rocket cars, hot rods, and anything else that does not have a the OEM exhaust system on it. The people that think it is a "right" to have an illegally loud exhaust system are way out of line. And those that ride bikes with those kinds of exhaust systems and rev them and accelerate hard to intentionally cause more noise, are simply selfish and childish. There is no other way to describe the behavior. Jack (Message edited by jackbequick on September 21, 2007) | ||
| Coal400 |
I'll chime in with my opinions on the topics... NPR/PRI (public broadcasting) is one of the best things going for society today. I am not a liberal by any stretch, so I have been angered by liberal speak from time to time. Usually on the subjects of gay marriage and immigration (both subjects seem to get sympathy from PR) I have noticed that public radio is getting better at keeping balance, but all that being said - PR, with its flaws, is still WAY better than any other news media out there. I enjoy about 90% of all PR programing, not just the news. On the pipe subject, I do believe that "loud" pipes save lives. Now what I consider to be an acceptable noise level would be my Cummins diesel. Many say its loud, but all will agree that folks hear me coming. A D&D Race can is what I believe to be inconsiderate use on residential streets. In fact, it might be causing more distraction than awareness, and thus should be illegal to use on public roads. Just my opinions... | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
Its been a long time practice to open up exhaust either through headers or the pipe or both. Sad fact is with performance comes noise. I dont care for straight through pipes. I believe they should have some sort of back pressure to run properly. No liberal here just think we should have our own rights and if you want to run a loud piece o crap, thats up to you. With power comes responsibility. Learn to use both properly or risk condemnation. Unfortunately you can never make everyone happy. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Try being at a state park for a birthday party.. And every 5 minutes some fat slob going through mid-life ordeal "cruises" though. He has no OTHER reason to be at the park other than to be seen.. KOOL huh? But the issues comes into play when he and the other 50 bikes like him feel the need to rap-rap the throttle. - I've got a loud exhuast but I pay attention to how I use it. That is the huge key factor. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Went to a local Kentucky coal festival today. A parade was taking place and somehow two bikes were in it... The two riders felt the need to blip the thottle every few seconds and then every few minutes run the engines up to the rev limiter.  One was a sport bike so the noise was very little. The other a wannabe Harley of some type that had its stock mufflers alters. It was terrible. Even after I walked up and calmy told the guy he isn't riding a harley, his bike sounds like crap and there is no need to continue to blip the throttle.. He kept on. But I hope he got the message. Not everyone or probably anybody at this family even wanted to continously listen to this loud crap. | ||
| Deadduck |
To be quite honest, I get more pissed off with the daggum airplanes flying over my house than the occasional loud scooter going past..... | ||
| Diablobrian |
One of the things I was really impressed with during the big group rides at the last 2 homecomings.... the utter lack of useless throttle blipping at the stop signs and lights. It was very refreshing compared to Daytona bike week where every time more than one bike comes to a stop it seems to signal the start of a "who has the loudest bike" contest....  | ||
| Oldog |
I attended bike week this year and loud pipes are the rule there, its a bit annoying, 24 hr. I have a super trapp and its loud, it is much more effective than the horn at getting a inattentive drivers attention.( spun up) on the pipes subject its just one more freedom to take away, pipes should be a choice. helmet should be a choice. gear should be a choice. | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
Same old, same old. A small percentage of the population (us as riders) bickering amongst ourselves over something this trivial. Meanwhile check the profiles of many posters to see what their top speed on two wheels are. Either a lot of track time going on or lots of riders breaking the law by speeding. Plenty of Pots calling the Kettles black  . If lawmakers take away one of our choices to be individual it will be a very short time before they focus on another all in the name of our own safety or respect for the non riding community. Pick and choose those battles wisely ladies and gents  . | ||
| Crusty |
Your right to make noise ends at my ears. Period. | ||
| Edger |
"pipes should be a choice. helmet should be a choice. gear should be a choice." Helmets bother no one except the head that hits the pavement, ditto the gear. Pipes are pi$$ing off the general public, of whom, out number bikers and can certainly out vote us. Flaunting this perceived right to make noise is going to hurt our sport. Laws and ordnances are being considered and even passed that are going to bite us. We need to be more responsible because the uncle (Sam), will force us to, and it won't be fun! | ||
| Nevrenuf |
pretty soon will be told that we can't ride in groups because we tie up to much traffic out there. where does it all end??? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Motorcycles should be as loud as necessary, and no louder, and everyone should behave like polite adults. I live about 3 miles from the interstate, and on quiet nights, I hear a lot more truck tire then motorcycle exhaust. That being said, I was at a funeral for an extended family member, and we all had to stop until a group of sport bikes finished howling by with exhausts and throttles wide open. And I have been down at the little river cafe (motorcycle hangout) and all conversation has to pause every time somebody with the "look at me look at me look at me look at me" straight pipes comes or goes. I ran a supertrapp on the M2, because the bike ran better and was easier to service the primary (which I seemed to be doing a lot). I put the 9sx back to stock, it ran great that way. I'm sure 99% of the time I was not annoying anyone, but I am sure 1% of the time I was. It wasn't worth it to me. | ||
| Ryker77 |
"pretty soon will be told that we can't ride in groups because we tie up to much traffic out there. where does it all end??? " Often that is the case. The do tie of traffic. When you get 50 or more guys riding in a SLOW group below the speedlimit and they make sure you can't pass on the other lane (same direction). We are doing this to ourselves... By action or the inaction to fix it. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
if its too loud...your too old. | ||
| Asym50 |
I run a race kit on my XB12S. Its definitely louder than stock but with judicious use of the right hand, not obnoxious to sleeping neighbors. Unfortunately, the "loud pipe" thing should have been resolved for most riders when adulthood was reached. I contribute the persistence of this issue and many others in our culture as a symptom of the "me and me only" mentality that's prevalent in our species. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
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| Djkaplan |
"if its too loud... " ... you're not deaf enough." | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
for me it is the fact of...whats next...what else do u want to take away from me....tolerance goes both ways...i had the race kit on my 9...i got to the point where i pushed my bike to the end of the driveway and started it...im fairly judicious in the throttle when it is called for..and i didnt rev my bike when i was warming it up...but alas people still complained almost daily that it was too loud and why does he have to start his bike so early in the morning...well my bike is my traspo...and i have a job....u cant please everybody and in this pasty faced, softbellied, milktoast, country we have become it seems to be ok to tell everybody else to live the way u want them too instead of maybe tolerating something u might not ageee with to an extent...so guess what...u can eat my jardine dual outlet on the 1000cc buzz saw and try to take some more of my rights away as an american...someday enough of us will get sick of seeing our rights being taken away and stand up..we did once before it was called a revolution....if u dont like the sound of my bike go fornicate urself...twice if needed. | ||
| Asym50 |
MH.. your point is well taken and I agree, it is a two way street for tolerance and consideration. From your post, it seems you went above and beyond and for all your efforts they still whined on and on and on. Feeling no appreciation for your efforts, your reaction may be justified. Maybe I lucked out with my neighbors. | ||
| M1combat |
I'm completely with Molly on this one. $10 says that pretty well anyone who has an issue with loud pipes does something in their life that bugs someone else. It could be a MILLION different things like creeping forward at a stop sign or turn which makes people pay closer attention to you to owning a barking dog to having a rebel flag on your vehicle to having a rainbow flag on your vehicle. It's VERY hard to go through life without offending anyone but it's quite simple to go through life without being bothered by trivial crap (like loud pipes). That said.... People who have loud pipes really need to be respectful of others. I used to run a Force pipe and I live in a very quiet neighborhood. I would leave for work every morning at 7:50. I asked just about every one of my neighbors over the course of a year whether it bothered them. Every one said "not at all" or something close to it. Every one of them said they didn't mind and that they very much appreciated the fact that I pretty well idled out the road. Only one of them is a fellow cycle rider and he rides a very quiet BMW. You'd be amazed at how steep of an incline an XB12 will idle up... You can go pretty well anywhere with just a tad bit of throttle and clutch. Be nice with loud pipes if you've got them but you SOB's that like to tell other people how to live their lives so that they comply with the little picture you have in your head of what the world should be like... FU. Make a law that punishes excessive noise production in a PUBLIC place (like revving and crap like that) but DO NOT try to step on the toes of those of us that DO have respect for YOUR interest in peace and quiet but still like to hear the sound that an engine makes. | ||
| Just_ziptab |
I love peace and quiet in my power naps......... The phone rings and it gives me a start. A loud Harley goes by........ahh just a dick head, but it doesn't bother me. I used to hate the snowmobiles that blasted by in the evenings....just furious. Now that I have one, it doesn't bother me at all. Go figure, it's assimilation. | ||
| Ryker77 |
It's when the actions of ONE intrud on a great many others, that loud pipes, mufflers, speakers.. etc etc becomes the issue. Load pipes are one thing and it can't vary. But many choose to use them is such a negative way that upsets people so greatly that laws get created. We as "bikers" need to police our own. We need to show other how stupid it is to throttle "blip" just to make noise at redlights. That the revlimiter is for just in case - not another method to make noise at a redlight or parking lot. That parks are for recreation and our enjoyed by many - they didn't drive hours to the park to listen to a biker crack on the throttle to make noise. Noise is the issue. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
my thought on the whole noise thing period is...if u hear loud pipes, what r ya hearin it for like 20 seconds....a minute tops...cripes my neighbor has a freakin civic with a coffee can on the back and he works on that heap all the time but thats not a problem for anybody....and u cant tell me nobody here has a pipe on their bike...theres what maybe 3 or 4 people here that dont have an aftermarket pipe....a motorcycle is freedom,rebellion, being different....u dont wanna hear my pipe for the 5 seconds it takes me to go by ur house...tough sh!t....i dont wanna hear ur dog bark in the middle of the night..the difference is i live with it...now i do understand in a place like muhulland drive where 500 bikes a weekend go by and bother people...a place where that many people gather well there might need to be some rules....i live in seattle right in the flight path for setac...yep its a hoot to hear a plane comming in for landing but nobody cares if i hear it or not...theres a small airport in my town too and i hear small jets landing all the time but it is only for a few seconds then im ok again...does anybody care if i hear it ...nooope...rich people make laws and they dont care if their jet wakes me up or not....tolerance goes both ways...u live with my quirks and il live with urs... | ||
| Coal400 |
I guess, for me, sometimes is not the noise that bothers me as much as the blatant lack of consideration for others. Obnoxiously loud pipes, ghetto music, 2-stroke Dirt Riders up and down the street, mariachi bands (new neighbors across the way). We all have to live here and just a little consideration goes a long way. On the inverse, there are some who will never be happy with anything - and its ok to pi$$ those people off  | ||
| Macbuell |
There's a difference between loud and obnoxious and I think we all know what that is. A Buell Race exhaust may be loud but it isn't obnoxious and if someone thinks that the Buell Race can is too loud, they can stuff it. But straight pipes are absurd and no one can tell me they are useful or needed in any way and I cannot argue with anyone that thinks they are a nuisance. | ||
| Mikef5000 |
The difference between loud and obnoxious is NOT in the muffler / stereo / any material. The difference is entirely in the user. I have the full D&D exhaust, which might as well be a straight pipe. But you know what? I leave my house every morning cruising through the neighborhood at 1500 rpm with the throttle just open enough. That is loud... NOT obnoxious. Same way I could have the biggest car stereo in the city. If I turn it down through neighborhoods, that is loud, but NOT obnoxious. People can be idiots. Then we all have to pay the consequences. I've also asked many of my neighbors if my exhaust bothers them. I got more positive responses than I ever would have guessed. The best answer was "Hell No! Hearing you ride by in the morning tells me it's going to be a nice day!" | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
one of the guys i ride with has what was sposed to be drag pipes or something on his springer...all of us think the thing sounds like a moose that has a real bad diarrea problem...but daaamn he loves it...it is sooo freakin loud i couldnt hear my 9 when we rode...but...he loves it we are all hoping he might grow out of the pipes here sometime soon....and oooh yaa he's that guy that romps the throttle the whole time he's at a stop sign....but ya know what we can police our own without any government rules...i was thinkin of welding some baffles in his pipes while hes at a bar or something....but he is an american and can run crappy sounding pipes all day long if he wants....and i would be the first person to stand up and call horsesh!t if someone (ok someone besides the guys he rides with ) wants to take the moosefartin pipes off his bike... |
