| Author | Message | ||
     Ccryder |
It's time to remember our fellow Americans that gave their lives. It's time to remember our Men and Women defending our country to keep such a terrible thing from happening again. It's time to remember our Men and Women that have given their lives and bodies so we can maintain our lives.  Stop for a few moments today and remember where your were 6 years ago, what has happened since then and, how fortunate we are to be where we are today. My prayers for all. Neil | ||
| Brinnutz |
I remember...I'll never forget. My mom was there 3 days or so before it happened...I'm lucky And yes, remember all of the men and women of the Armed Forces who are overseas... I salute you my brothers & sisters. (Message edited by brinnutz on September 11, 2007) | ||
| Jumpinjewels |
It's something I'll never forget. I have a picture of the World Trade Center buildings on my refrigerator. Being from the East Coast (NJ) and seeing those buildings all the time, it is very hard to know that all those people were killed and the buildings gone. I thank the Good Lord and our Armed Forces that so far we in America have been spared any more tragedy. | ||
| 5liter |
Here's a touching link: http://attacked911.tripod.com/ | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
We struggle. We struggle to move beyond the events of 9/11 because that is what the victims of that day demand. We struggle to never forget the events of 9/11 because that is what our children and grandchildren deserve. Strangely, these two struggles contradict one another. | ||
| Mikej |
There is no contradiction, one is in memory of the past, the other in life continuing. | ||
| 86129squids |
I agree Jeremy- we struggle for many things. To me we must always struggle to maintain and expand what it means to be both human, and humane with one another. To the extent that viral and malevolent mindsets (macro and micro) continue to exist, we must struggle and prevail against them no matter the cost. namaste, friends.  | ||
| Ryker77 |
People die every day. Over 30,000 die each year from medical drugs reactions. Even more die every year from Medical misdiagnose. and so on..... Should we just pause and remember everyday all day long? Or just the days the result in mass murders. Is one death any more important than another? ---- | ||
| Djkaplan |
"Is one death any more important than another?" Is there a difference in an accidental death and premeditated murder? | ||
| Oldog |
I remember.. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Is one death any more important than another? Allow me to kill your entire family and see if those deaths are any more important any any others. | ||
| Court |
Neil: The first photo you posted is essentially (absent the enhancements) to the ones I shot out the dining room window on 9-11-01. Our house sits atop the highest (save 3') point in the 5 Boros and looks directly at the tip of Manhattan. I went to sleep for 3 weeks with the smell of burning electrical insulation coming in the windows. Let me clarify for those who lack the acuity that comes from walking the site that these were not merely deaths, but the murders of innocent folks. I've been a Marine and I've been, as a civilian, gunned down for no reason. I make a keen distinction between a combatant and an innocent man, woman or child. It's been 6 years and I'm still not right with this. Just as you think it will ebb into the history books with other disasters, I see those two people falling 96 floors hand-in-hand. That's not death, that's an act of malicious, pre-meditated murder by a psychopathic killer. I could accept the "no death is greater than another" . . . we're all leaving here one way or another. But no person has the right, conveyed by God or Government, to choose the time of departure. Like I said . . . I'm still not over this. The details would only open a debate but I'll share with you my 2 favorites from this morning. The first photo is from the World Financial Center, directly across West Street. This is the one that sustained tremendous damage to the Winter Garden Court and now proudly today is displaying a flag. The 2nd is about a block to the North. There is a record about of construction currently underway in New York City . . . skyscrapers are waiting on the availability of tower cranes to rise. A building can be crushed. . . . but not the spirit of a people. Court   | ||
| Ryker77 |
"Allow me to kill your entire family and see if those deaths are any more important any any others." Would you or anybody else all across the nation. Devote countless emails, pictures, news broadcast, or chat room threads for just one family? My point is that a death is a SAD thing. But in America we only care or react if the numbers are high..??? Why? Have we become immune to violence and death so much that it takes a mass tragedy for use to react? | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
I too, remember. | ||
| Rainman |
I wish I could forget. | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Ryker, Death is part of life. In that we agree. You would have to admit that some deaths are more impactful. "Man shot by man." No real surprise there. "JFK shot by Lee Harvey Oswald". Big event. It was the magnitude and senselessness of the event that makes this different. Pearl Harbor was a mere fraction of the death toll on D-Day, but the events of Pearl Harbor are more historically poinient. Interesting how some downplay the deaths on 9/11 yet hang on every casualty report from Iraq. To some 9/11 is just some event justified by other events causing still other events. To the rest of us 9/11 signifies an end to a time before we could even imagine such an event occurring. As a result, 9/11 is more important than the pregnant lady killed by a drunk driver last week because 9/11 affects everything and everyone in the US from that day forward. | ||
| Ccryder |
Thank you Court. Thank you everyone for seeing and feeling. Ryker because we are in this country you can have your views and I will defend them even if I don't agree with them (I expect the same from you). If you want to talk about good/ bad/ justified/ unjustified death, please start your own thread, that's all I ask. Sincerely Neil | ||
| Ccryder |
Thank you 5liter. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Neil, this is the general chat board for Buell bikes. You could also take it elsewhere. works both ways. ------------------ Ft_ As a Christian I would value any mans death. I don't need that person to be famous. Or for a trajic event to happen. But as a person with modern views--- people die everyday. Thousands died on 9/10 and thousands died on 9/12 in 2001 and every day of every months since then. All across the world people people will die Today for no good reason. Many of which could have been prevented. | ||
| Ryker77 |
"As a result, 9/11 is more important than the pregnant lady killed by a drunk driver last week because 9/11 affects everything and everyone in the US from that day forward." Ask that lady's husband or mother! If you've let 9/11 change you then all you've done is allow them to win. They wanted to change us and make us live in fear. I'm at the airport right now and I do not live in fear. | ||
| Ducxl |
It was the magnitude and senselessness of the event that makes this different +1 | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
If you've let 9/11 change you then all you've done is allow them to win. If you treat 9/11 as a 2000 car pile up, you miss the historical significance to prevent it from happening again. Ask that lady's husband or mother! That was my counterpoint to your point. Individual losses matter most ONLY to those affected. They are mere statistics to the rest of us. Historically significant events like 9/11 matter because of the combined impact on American society. More people were killed during the tsunami, yet it doesn't affect us nearly as profoundly as 9/11. Why? It has little political, social, economic and emotional significance to us here in the US. I bet people on the pacific rim feel the same about 9/11. You are comparing 9/11 to global death statistics. We are comparing 9/11 to the impact it has on us as members of the American Society. If you believe it has no bearing on society, think about what your actions would be were your plane hijacked today as opposed to 9/10. Would you sit idly by as was the norm, or would you follow Todd Beamer's example? As a Marine, I'd put my money on you being a Todd Beamer fan! | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
it takes a tragedy to bring a nation together...nice to see some havent forgotten...im not a real religious person..but god bless all who fell in the line of duty just doing their jobs. | ||
| Blake |
I remember. I'll never forget. Thank you Neil for taking time to reflect and share your thoughts. Death in and of itself is not a tragedy. The brutal mass-murder of innocent civilians and violent attacks upon our nation by terrorists bent on imposing their dark ideology upon the world is tragedy; it is pure evil, and in order for that kind of horrendous threat and evil to be defeated, such horrendous events must be remembered. | ||
| Concor |
Must have a long delay at the airport huh ryker?, you took the life out of this thread in no time, go rant somewhere else. | ||
| Aesquire |
Blessings & good will to all. Have sympathy for those lost & their survivors, in this and all conflicts. 6 years ago, I was late for work because the TV coverage stopped me in my tracks. No one minded. I was stopped because this was the event that showed many people that the war others had declared on us was actually going on. I already knew. (but didn't think it THAT important ) Some still refuse to admit it's existence. History shows the series of murders, mass and singular, that were committed for many years before the tragedies at the Trade Towers, Pentagon, and that lonely field in Pennsylvania are, as claimed by those who committed those murders, an act of war against western civilization & any one who is not of a very, very, narrowly defined political ideology. Millions have been killed in this conflict. Thousands of them are American. The beginning of this war, as we know it? The fall of the Ottoman empire in WW1? The "Iranian Revolution" and the rise of the Mullah's? The Failure of the Crusades? 1960's Beirut? ( that's when I became aware of this war ) The declaration of a death sentence & the offering of a cash reward for the murder of a writer by the leader of a once great nation, Iran? Or, most importantly, the lack of reaction by so called western leaders to this evil? It does not matter. The folk who died on Sept 11th 2001 are more important than the death of an ex-princess, ( another over the top famous death ) because of their import. The death of an obscure Austrian Archduke comes to mind. This was an event that plunged the world into war. But.... The Spears chick's extra body fat & lack of choreography are no doubt more important. To some.  | ||
| Chasespeed |
Where I was.... I unlike most, have NEVER seen the images as they were happening... I have been to ground zero, may of 2002 during fleet week... But, I was standing my first watch, aboard my ship at the time, as a newly qualified CICWO... which was a big deal, being a junior enlisted.... took my watch at 0730L, which, was 830 am EST.... SoI can still remember the initial voice report of the attack on the US, and all the msg traffic that ensued, etc... In some ways I, and my watch team were lucky, that we COULDN'T see the images of the chaos... in some, we werent, due to everything we COULD HEAR and READ... the big picture.. but, I guess that comes with the job huh? Then, come fleet week, in may the next year, we were allowed special access to the site, while wearing out whites... while people were looking on from the walkway they built aroudn the site.... There is alot of this I will never forget... It sorta funny, I still remember the surge to Iraq, and my role in the initial.... movement...but, not with the clarity, and second by second recollection that I do 09-11-01... Iraq had a MUCH more profound impact on me personally, and professionally... Sorry, dont mind the post, I have a sitter here watching my daughter, while I drink... been a LONG day.... Chase | ||
| Blake |
Jimidan, I removed your post. If you or anyone want to start an argument about Iraq, take it elsewhere than on BadWeB or post to the appropriate topic in the Backfire Board. | ||
| Slaughter |
Ryker, sex is a part of life. Rape is different yet it is still sex. I don't suppose you can see the difference in that case either. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
I remember it with clarity. In fact I remember it better than I do my ride home from work today. I was on a flight from Charlotte to BWI. When we finally got on the ground, and off the plane, it was chaos. I had personal reasons to hate the Muslim scum responsible prior to 9/11/01 so I guess I double hate them now. Nuke Mecca. If the hand wringing ultra liberals have their way we'll just turn the country over to the Muslim scum and we can either convert to their belief system, be slaughtered, or live in dimitude. |
