| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
When folks abuse certain rights, as many motorcyclists have with noise, and we ask the government to step in and fix it we often get just what we deserve. Anytime you call on the slowest kid in the class to derive the solution to the problem, it's likely to be unpopular. When folks become responsible for their actions a solution will, I'd suggest, mystically appear. | ||
| Ridrx |
Problem with common sense is ...it's too uncommon. | ||
| Buellinachinashop |
If sense was common, there'd be no need for 99% of our laws. | ||
| Aldaytona |
On the loud pipes/stereo/car-truck exhaust noise issue, I subscribe to the theory that when the offending individuals were little their parents didn't pay any attention to them, so now they want everyone else to pay attention to them. | ||
| Coal400 |
Legally deaf people are generally not seen talking on cell phones. They are also, more often than not, more observant by nature (exception would be certain people who are chronically challenged ^substitute chronologically challenged in addition to hearing impaired). hows that for PC  (Message edited by coal400 on August 24, 2007) | ||
| Mikef5000 |
If sense was common, there'd be no need for 99% of our laws. True dat! | ||
| Concor |
Im lucky i live in Wisconsin if for no other reason they dont seem to enforce the loud pipes issue much. Im friends with many harley riders and most have very loud pipes and have had no issues with the police. Some of them should get a citation in my opinion but they have not.Maybe because harley is located here its not strictly enforced, although i dont know if thats really a factor. I live in a condo and i leave for work around 5 am. my lightning has a jardine so i push it to the street and dont let it warm up when i start it, not sure why i care but i do just to be a little polite. | ||
| Mortarmanmike120 |
Enjoy: http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/44492/detail/ The comments are more interesting then the movie. Just think, there is probably some municipality that paid tax dollars to air that PSA. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
The Harley with the OBNOXIOUSLY loud pipes--you know the ones where it stops conversation and hurt one's ear should be outlawed....It is plain and simple the definition of noise pollution. Anyone that rides a bike like that is just an A$$hole in my book. | ||
| Ryker77 |
I'm forced to live in apartments till we find a good deal on a house. But the old hag upstairs came down yesterday cursing about parking places (she doesn't own a car!).... So now every morning she will get a good dose of 1203cc Andrews N80 cam out a force exhaust! If she keeps it up I'll remove the baffle. Before I would roll the bike away from the building and be ready to roll when I start it. But nice guy - has left the building.  | ||
| Ryker77 |
-In Lancaster, Pa., starting this month riders - and all motor vehicle drivers - could be ticketed for drawing attention to themselves, whether by creating too much noise by revving their engines or doing hard accelerations. Tickets start at $150. So there is no clear cut rule. It is one person .02 on the matter. Trains that blow a horn, diesel trucks that use jake brakes, a nice looking chick in a car, car alarms that go off for no reason, .... So can anybody call and complain thus forcing the officer to write a ticket? That will be out of control! -As of July 1, motorcyclists in Denver could be ticketed $500 for putting mufflers on their bikes made by someone other than the original manufacturer, if the bike is 25 years old or less. These so-called after-market products can be louder than their manufacturer-made counterparts. only singled out motorcyclist? WTF. Every muffler shop in the area must have lobbied against having the term automobile placed in that law. Can you even order a stock Buell s2 muffler? Or a 1980 honda etc etc etc??? | ||
| Greenlantern |
WHAT'S ALL THIS NONSENSE ABOUT LOUD PIPES!?! I'VE BEEN AROUND THEM ALL MY LIFE AND MY HEARING'S JUST FINE!!! WILL SOME ONE PLEASE ANSWER THAT PHONE?! THE RINGING IS DRIVING ME NUTS!!!!  | ||
| Ryker77 |
"The Harley with the OBNOXIOUSLY loud pipes--you know the ones where it stops conversation and hurt one's ear should be outlawed....It is plain and simple the definition of noise pollution. Anyone that rides a bike like that is just an A$$hole in my book." And at redlights they must blip the throttle over and over. And each time between gears they either blip the throttle or leave it in gear with not thottle to get some popping noise then shift. | ||
| Xl1200r |
I saw a guy at Americade a few years back on a Fatboy. Stop and go traffic on the strip. He was blipping the throttle so fast and so frequently I serioudly think the guy was expecting his grip to blow a load or something. I asked him if he was going to at least cuddle with it after and he had no idea what I was talking about. | ||
| Oldbiker |
There was a time when the venerable v-twin needed throttle bipping. Otherwise it couldn't move away from the light. With no accelerator pump it just fell on it's face. Even those 2 ton flywheels, and copious use of the clutch couldn't get a 800 lb. bike to leave a place that it just marked as it's own. Steve | ||
| Terribletim |
I ride a Harley, so let me say this - I learned a long time ago with cars and it works the same on bikes. You are dealing with an UN-SYNCRONIZED transmission, a small blip of the throttle between gears help index your gears without taking teeth off them as you shift. Hopefully this is an FYI for some of you. I know that on my XB9r, a little blip between gears helps smooth out the shifts with it too. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
All trannies are synced since after world war two. That having been said, I do notice that it's easier to downshift if I equalize the RPMs with the clutch pulled in. I think it has more to do with clutch drag and the inertia of the clutch plates. | ||
| Xl1200r |
All trannies are synced since after world war two. That having been said, I do notice that it's easier to downshift if I equalize the RPMs with the clutch pulled in. I think it has more to do with clutch drag and the inertia of the clutch plates. Agreed. Throttle blips are the equivalent of heel-toe shifting in a car when downshifting. No need to synchronize the transmission or blip the throttle on an upshift - the synchros do it for you. All you'd be doing is raising the RPMs once you let the clutch out, which only makes sense if your deathly slow with the shifting. | ||
| Terribletim |
Fully sync'ed? Or partially sync'ed? There is a difference. . . | ||
| Ducxl |
Noise is overrated.Quiet doesn't attract unwanted attention.Stock pipes on both Buells'. Do as you please,i'm covered.My X1 has a silly quiet horn.The XB horns are more suitable for alerting a dangerous condition | ||
| Oldbiker |
Terrible.......you also learned to upshift without the clutch by momenterily unloading the gears with the throttle...usta just love those overcenter rigs. Learned to ride on a '37 UL......talk about bein' kept busy! Steve | ||
| Terribletim |
Mine sounds more suited for freezing a deer in it's tracks if the headlight don't!  | ||
| Jackbequick |
There are no synchronizers in the H-D or Buell transmissions. They are constant mesh transmissions and transmit power via square cut dogs on the sides of the gears. The dogs don't need synchros, they simply drop into engagement when the mesh is right (1/8th of a turn or less for four dogs). And I agree, throttle blipping is not needed for upshifts. Just the slightest roll off the throttle as you fan the clutch (half pulled or less) and move the shift lever, and you're there. But throttle blipping *is* the key to eliminating driveline jerk and snatch when changing down to lower gears. I make no apologies to anyone for doing that. Throttle blipping for no reason is a bad habit and an annoying behavior. Something is wrong in the brain case of the carbon based unit with it's hand on the throttle. "..motorcyclists in Denver could be ticketed $500 for putting mufflers on their bikes made by someone other than the original manufacturer..." H-D dealers catered to their buyer's wants (and made a lot of money while doing it) by selling H-D branded exhaust systems that did not meet any Federal or state specs for noise emissions. Those were clearly marked as "for race application only" and described that way in the catalogs. But many, many thousands of those were put on street bikes by dealers. Some of them had easily removable secondary baffles or were easily modified to make more noise by "mutilating" the internal intended baffling with a piece of 1" rebar. The system seen in my profile photo is a "Screaming Eagle 16 Gage Double Barrel" exhaust system and it only took me about 15 minutes to get tired of listening to it. Even with a helmet on and with ear plugs in place. I added baffles to it by modifying some after market (Custom Chrome) baffles. Doing that took care of the loud "blat" under acceleration and probably reduced the overall perceived noise by 1/3 or so. I can live with it now but the first time I'm told I have to replace it, I'll go back to a stock Dyna exhaust system. I like the sound of those better anyway. Jack | ||
| Xl1200r |
Jack - thanks for the tranny lesson - the only transmissions I've ever opened up where a Borg-Warner T-10 and a TH-350. Obviously the auto used clutch packs, but the T-10 had synchros. I was never really sure what "constant mesh" really meant. But throttle blipping *is* the key to eliminating driveline jerk and snatch when changing down to lower gears. I make no apologies to anyone for doing that. My point exactly. | ||
| Terribletim |
Thank you, I thought I had it right. . .but I've been wrong before.
Correct, throttle blipping on upshift would be stupid. Usually, I'm to busy speed shifting to blip the throttle! Now on downshifts. . .that's all I was talking about in the first place.
Right, and the thing most don't understand when sitting in traffic blipping the throttle is, it increases the amount of heat generated by the engine. | ||
| Slaughter |
Virtually ALL annoying "blipping" is just nervousness while idling. Kinda like scratching your butt or crotch in public - but at least ass-and-crotch-scratching does you some good (though it can still be annoying to those around you) | ||
| Xl1200r |
When i blip my throttle at a light it sounds really cool, and give my boys a little happy time, if you know what I mean. Seems very beneficial to me ;) | ||
| Terribletim |
Xl1200r - TMI, TMI!!! | ||
| Djkaplan |
I'm not a constant throttle blipper, but sometimes, it's very, VERY appropriate (not the story you think it's going to be). I was leaving a restaurant after eating with friends. I was the only one on a bike and was suiting up in a parking space near the open air eating section. A bunch of little kids, maybe 4 or 5 years old were fascinated by the jacket and helmet and were standing on chairs watching me, so one of the adults brought them out on the sidewalk to get a closer look. I smiled and winked at the kids and gave the man friendly a nod. I always start my bike with no throttle, just a little choke, so the engine woke up and eased into idle fairly uneventfully. The kids all edged closer, curious about the rumbling, and when they were maybe 6 feet away, I gave the throttle a big blip. The shrieks and wails from the kids were hilarious. Most of them scattered back to the table where their moms were. The guy with the kids was doubled over laughing, and everyone else outside was amused too. They were giving me the thumbs up and even a few claps. What I'll never forget is a little boy who didn't run. He had a huge smile on his face and stepped even closer before his dad pulled him back. I could see suprise, wonder and excitement in his eyes. I waved at him as I left and idled out of the parking lot. On the way home, I knew I had created a future motorcyclist. Ride safe in the future kid. You made my day once in the past. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Dj - One time I started my Sportster up on the side of a street in small town. Just so happened a lady was walking her little sh*t dog behind me at the time (no idea what it was - some tiny sub-cat-sized furball). When I started the bike up the dog bolted into the bushes and about peed all over the place. Now THAT'S worth it! |
