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     Roadrailer |
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_6062291 Text of the law: http://www.denvergov.org/Portals/81/documents/Bill s/2007/Bill_2007_0242A.pdf Discuss. This should be interesting... | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
It is only a matter of time before we see this happening everywhere. If we don't regulate ourselves someone else will. A couple of years ago HD sent out some posters about loud pipes and how we needed to hold it down. The dealer principle even talked about it at some of our HOG meetings. It didn't take long for a few riders to bring up the fact that HD & Dealers still had the loud pipes for sale. "If you want us to hold it down why are you still selling the stuff". It didn't take long for the posters to come down and all that nonsense talk to pass. The cool thing for the dealers will be in a few years when the Noise Nazi's get this past nation wide. They will be able to sale OEM pipes to all their customers that bought aftermarket pipes. Record sales in the parts department are just around the corner!!  | ||
| Ryker77 |
Which is why Americans should vote. I for one don't like hear loud vulgar rap music thumping from a 500.00 car that is crusing the WalMart parking lot as I walk in to shop. Or the bikers who must blip the thottle every 2 seconds at a redlight to just make noise. | ||
| Jaimec |
On the other hand, in Europe you can actually buy aftermarket mufflers for motorcycles that are certified for street use. You can't do that here! I've yet to see ONE aftermarket company (Kerker, SuperTrapp, D&D, etc) advertise that their exhaust systems are street legal. They all have that stupid "off road use only" disclaimer. Maybe this will FORCE the American aftermarket to finally start selling street LEGAL exhausts. I've been saying for YEARS that if we don't handle the problem ourselves, someone will handle it for us, and we won't like the solution they come up with. Sometimes I hate being right. | ||
| Rainman |
I just test rode a KTM Super Duke around town, trying to keep the front wheel down and do the best I could to alter the footpeg alignments in the corners and I had great fun without make a lot of noise. | ||
| New12r |
I like my bike a little rumblier than stock, but not loud. Makes for a more pleasant ride and draws lots less attn. while I am riding wheelies!  | ||
| Nevrenuf |
the wife gets pissed at me when i try and drown out one of those cars with there thump thump junk. but i enjoy doing it. that was the only good thing that force pipe was good for. | ||
| Cyclonemick |
I personally like setting off car alarms  | ||
| Chainsaw |
In my opinion, this law will be enforced as much as cracked windshields and too-dark window tinting. I would trade my aftermarket exhaust for attentative drivers. I may be invisible on a bike, but I'm certainly not inaudible! I do get a certain satisfaction from gearing down a notch and making them dudes in the 'boom' cars roll up their windows when I ride next to them too! | ||
| Macbuell |
There's no reason for the absurdly loud exhausts that a lot of people are running. And that whole loud pipes save lives thing is a loud of crap. I have a Special Ops pipe on my bike and it's too loud for me. I'm changing to a Drummer SS as soon it is ready. | ||
| Crusty |
Your right to make noise stops at my ears. Nothing pisses me off faster than being woken at 2:00 AM by some jamoke who has a sprung wrist after closing the bar. The part that particularly frosts my ass is that some of these morons don't even care if the loud pipes hurt the performance of their bikes. "I just want the loudest exhaust out there." I wouldn't mind seeing more places start cracking down. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Nothing pisses me off faster than being woken at 2:00 AM by some jamoke Thats why I moved to the "country". Wouldn't you know, I moved to a road that gets a lot of motorcycle traffic which I don't mind some much before 10pm. But the little boy that lived down the street has turned 16 and now I get that nice BASS crap vibrating my windows at all hours of the night. (Message edited by wolfridgerider on June 07, 2007) | ||
| Chainsaw |
And that whole loud pipes save lives thing is a loud of crap. Commuting daily in city traffic might have you change your tune. I USED to run quiet stock pipes, but folks with cell phones pinned to their ears wouldn't bother looking into a mirror, much less signaling before changing lanes. I've had way too many close calls with inattentive idiots. Clicking a gear lower than normal with loud pipes lets those morons 'feel' me in the lane next to them. I wear a bright orange leather jacket now to get the attention of cagers, and I still got rear ended in broad daylight by a dude with a cell phone in his ear. Loud pipes aren't killing people around here, cell phones are. | ||
| Tq_freak |
+1 on the cell phones. they are what need to be outlawed. last month I had a lady in a big ford excursion with the sell phone pinned to her ear change right in to the side of me, I have a D&D on my 12 btw, not very quite. Thank god I was in the fast lane and had the center lane to go into. stupid women. at the next light she rolls down her window and goes "sorry". that pissed me off more then her not saying anything. I would have called her everyname in the book if there wasnt a 8 year old kid sitting next to her. He didnt need to know yet that his mom is a B*tch, he'll figure that out soon enough on his own. sorry for the early morning rant but man cell phones piss me off more then the kids with Bass or the damn throttle jockey playing the pipes at every light. | ||
| Ducxl |
Quiet is good.I've kept stock pipes on my bikes' for that reason.We've got "straight pipes" laws/w signage here in nearby Newport RI. So pipe down...Noise is overrated | ||
| Roadrailer |
Commuting daily in city traffic might have you change your tune. I USED to run quiet stock pipes, but folks with cell phones pinned to their ears wouldn't bother looking into a mirror, much less signaling before changing lanes. I've had way too many close calls with inattentive idiots. Clicking a gear lower than normal with loud pipes lets those morons 'feel' me in the lane next to them. I wear a bright orange leather jacket now to get the attention of cagers, and I still got rear ended in broad daylight by a dude with a cell phone in his ear. Loud pipes aren't killing people around here, cell phones are. Proper lane positioning, situational awareness, and an occasional blast from the horn work just fine for me, without pissing off the locals everywhere I go. If they're not going to use their sense of sight, I'm certainly not going to trust their hearing. | ||
| Roadrailer |
I personally like setting off car alarms And this, folks, is why laws like this get passed. | ||
| Teeps |
Do loud pipes really save lives? A Philosophical Question? http://personalpages.tds.net/~dsullivan/Articles/l oudpipe.htm | ||
| Rainman |
Isn't it the oncoming train issue? The majority of two-vehicle crashes involving motorcycles are from left turns or red lights at intersections. If you think of the sound of an approaching train, the sound increases as it nears you, gets loudest as it is next to you and then gets quieter as it pulls away. Since the pipes are making the majority of their noise AT THE REAR of the bike, they would be nearly ineffective for the majority of car-bike conflicts in front of the bike, somewhat effective for side by side conflicts but they blow the ear drums out of the poor sucker behind you. I know that because I took a 200 mile, 200 biker ride to DC behind some kook with straight pipes. I have a good full face and I still couldn't hear by the time I got to Arlington National Cemetery. | ||
| Spiderman |
How bout we outlaw motorcycles all together then we get rid of loud pipes and those dangerous two wheeled vehicles situations all in one shot. I tried a quiet exhaust, it didn't give me the same HP gain my loud one does. You don't like it? No prob that is your opinion. There are probably a hundred thing we won't agree on. But you let them outlaw loud pipes then they are going to start outlawing things like open trails for dirt bikes and quads, race tracks and drag strips. The list goes on as to what this can snowball into. Loud pipes probably don't save lives but they sure piss off the SUV drivin soccer moms who can't put down their damn cell phone to pay attention to the Fing road! | ||
| Sooner |
C'mon!! This is the "Land of the free". I'm am getting really tired of neutered,politically correct people telling me how I should feel and think. If I want loud pipes on my bike, I should have the choice to put them on. As far as them not making a difference in getting me noticed by cagers on cell phones, "I fart in your general direction". It is the difference between someone talking at a modest level across the room on a cell phone, and the JERK who thinks everyone in the room cares about what he is talking about. This "jerk" is going to make it home safely any way he can. To insinuate that ("Proper lane positioning, situational awareness, and an occasional blast from the horn") The rest of the riders on this forum aren't able riders in also insulting. If you want to live in a society that issues mandatory bubble wrap suits at birth, so that all of its citizens are nice and safe from each and every "contact incident", if you want them to issue " mouth mufflers" so that all public conversation is nice and quiet. And those Loud colors in the clothing, they have to go, " everyone must wear gray clothing from now on". Then go to where they have already passed such laws, go to Russia. I love the U.S.A. and all that it originally stood for, you tea tax loving, taxation without representation pushing, quiet exhaust note hugging, puffs!!!! "Give me liberty or give me death!" At least they will hear me as they crunch into the side of their suv that they drive while on a Cell phone. Just my two cents anyway, be safe. | ||
| Roadrailer |
How bout we outlaw motorcycles all together then we get rid of loud pipes and those dangerous two wheeled vehicles situations all in one shot. I tried a quiet exhaust, it didn't give me the same HP gain my loud one does. You don't like it? No prob that is your opinion. There are probably a hundred thing we won't agree on. But you let them outlaw loud pipes then they are going to start outlawing things like open trails for dirt bikes and quads, race tracks and drag strips. The list goes on as to what this can snowball into. Loud pipes probably don't save lives but they sure piss off the SUV drivin soccer moms who can't put down their damn cell phone to pay attention to the Fing road! Loud pipes have been outlawed for a long time by federal law. This Denver ordinance just makes it easier for LEOs to enforce. Dirt riders and race tracks have been dealing with noise issues for a very, very long time. Google is your friend. | ||
| Roadrailer |
Sooner, You can feel and think any way you want, but you do not have a "right" to make as much noise as you want for no reason whatsoever. Freedom has its limits. (Message edited by roadrailer on June 08, 2007) | ||
| Spiderman |
Sure told me! Yes of course all loud pipes ar "illegal" and all tracks and dirt riders are fighting for freedoms everyday. But when you start "cracking down" on one thing and when you start to give up small freedoms that is when the Govt will start taking more. You ever heard of the phrase "Give them an inch and they will take a mile" } | ||
| Sooner |
Roadrailer, I DO have that right, at least until people like you turn America into a socialist country. Be happy, move to France. You'll love it there. No rights for anyone. | ||
| Sooner |
P.S, I happen to be a cop. I have moved the bodies first hand. I know that Louder pipes are more easily detected. And you can Still go to France!!  | ||
| Ryker77 |
There is a line for everything. Noise will become more and more of an issue as just 1 person can effect hundreds of people. One noisy bike with an ••••••• rider cruising around a public park at 15mph does not need the extra 1/10th of a HP he gets at 1/10 of the throttle. Nor does he need the saftey of Loud pipes. But his actions effect over 100 hundred people at the park, lake, camping site etc etc etc. Most people of you'll would raise mortal hell if a chicken house was built next door. SMELL. Or a nuke power plant. Most of you'll would devaule a house built near train tracks, race track, or busy freeway. When the actions of just one can effect soo many in a negative way.... Which is why this is a majority rules type society. | ||
| Roadrailer |
Ryker77  | ||
| Roadrailer |
Roadrailer, I DO have that right, at least until people like you turn America into a socialist country. If you're actually a cop, you should know how totally wrong that is. There ARE limits to our freedoms, limits that you enforce every day. In this case, your "right" to pointless noise ends at the ears of the people around you. (Message edited by roadrailer on June 08, 2007) | ||
| Greenlantern |
I'm still trying to figure out how damaging people's hearing is somehow a political agenda! So I ask (in the rhetorical sense), ''If one was exercising their "right" ...ahem... to sport obnoxiously loud pipes next to me and those same trumpets of freedom were in danger of permanently damaging my hearing, would it then be considered criminal on my part to excercise my right to self defense and preservation and take a bat to the (pipes) owners constitutionally astute head? Just wondering.......... |
