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Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 01:19 pm: | 
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Sure start a class action suit against the bikers with loud pipes for your hearing loss. Just dont be surprised when we counter sue against every SUV, Truck, Van and RV for clogging the roads, impeeding traffic, Blocking Sightlines through corners and general greedy gas consumption.. |
Wolfridgerider
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 01:23 pm: |
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Doesn't your freedom end when it starts to infringe on mine?
(Message edited by wolfridgerider on June 08, 2007) |
Sooner
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 01:29 pm: |
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Roadrailer, The operative word here is Pointless.
Loud pipes are used for a specific result. Acute public awareness of the rider.
It seems that there is a certain group of people who are in dire need of a rectal craniotomy.
If it is louder, Hellloooooo, the aural nerve is sending this signal to the brain, " MORE AUDIBLE DECIBEL INPUT HAS ARRIVED AT EAR DRUM!!!"
Thus the terminology LOUDER.
By definition, more acutely perceived.
Thus, the POINT. And thusly, not POINTLESS.
Greenlantern, if your priority is self defense and self preservation, you should probably get out of biking.
To address the actually part.
A certain coop in a certain town in NorCal, is waiting for the chance to issue a welcoming citation for your assurance.  |
Sooner
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 01:40 pm: |
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I just read what Ryker77 said, and I am in total agreement.
The issue is not riding in inappropriate venus to be a jerk.
The issue is riding on public throughways, being more easily identified by other vehicles.
You KNOW it does make a difference when you can be heard as well as seen.
And by the way, My vance and hines Do fall within local noise ordinance's.
But on the road, I can be heard if I want to be.
But to say that loud pipes don't save lives is simply moronic. |
Cityxslicker
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 01:50 pm: |
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If you run a loud set of pipes through the forest and there is noone there to write a ticket... is it really too loud ? Flippin Nanny State |
Greenlantern
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 02:08 pm: |
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My last statement was probably a bit on the strong side (for me anyway) but I my jewels really get appraised when I hear the " it's my right mantra" applied to every single thing someone might want to do regardless of the stupidity factor just as a means to justify the ends. I know people in cars use cell phones and are careless ( I wish cell phones had never been invented personaly), I am aware that we have a political system that likes to over legislate and harpoon the white whales when they are already beached. I know that we (americans) have freedom of speech and expression, But I also know that things like cell phones and driving for that matter are priveledges not rights and therefore subject to the rules of their licence. If you want to yak on your cell or prove your man.....I mean uh save lives with your loud pipes then knock yourself silly, but please save me the moral outrage when Johnny Law writes you a loud pipe ticket or expect me to have compassion when you scare some driver half out of their wits and cause a accident. I would rant against the cell phone enslaved cagers also but this is a motorcycle forum and I have been running my fingers long enough as it is. 2ยข |
Court
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 02:12 pm: |
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>>>Or a nuke power plant.
Actually there are 38 owners of Nuke plants charging ahead. The best source of power there is and we lost 20 years due to silliness. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 02:17 pm: |
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No, Loud pipes have NOTHING to do with "acute public awareness." That's a LAME excuse. It's really saying "I have NO D**K and hear me roar!" Loud pipes are only a safety net when you are the ONLY one on the road with them and everyone else is legally quiet. If EVERYONE had a loud pipe you still wouldn't be heard and you'd be in the same spot you are now, only with acute hearing loss on top of it.
You'll also have to ban all DEAF people from driving. Surprise surprise! Yes, DEAF PEOPLE can legally drive in this country (and every where else too). And they DON'T have to have anything on their vehicle identifying them as deaf! So how do you know if your loud pipe is alerting that driver when for all you know he's stone cold deaf already?
I've got about a half million miles on perfectly stock, quiet exhaust systems, and most of them have been sharing the road with some of the most clueless individuals ever allowed on the road (Long Island urban SUV drivers). Sure I've had drivers cut me off but I recognize the danger signs and I've NEVER been in an accident with an inattentive driver.
Loud pipes have NOTHING to do with safety and everything to do with people screaming for attention because they weren't hugged enough as a child, or watched too many porno movies and feel "inadequate." But don't start using that stupid "Loud Pipes Save Lives" argument. It doesn't hold water. Anyone who's EVER been in traffic knows that you don't hear a loud pipe until the jackass is either right next to you, or in front of you. When he's coming up from behind, you don't hear him at all.
An even lamer excuse I've heard is that it warns pedestrians. Guess what? They have the right of way anyway! If one steps out in traffic and you hit him, it's YOUR fault, not theirs! It's YOUR job to watch out for him, not his job to watch out for you!
And to the one other lame statement I saw: Loud pipes are ALREADY illegal! Why do you think they all have that "for off-road or racing use only" disclaimer? Because THEY'RE NOT LEGAL FOR STREET USE! When you put them on your bike, you're already breaking the law! And all you do is convince people we need MORE insipid, poorly thought out laws. Know what? Even a lot of race tracks are now banning loud exhaust systems!
As long as ignorant people insist on using loud exhaust systems, you will see more and more STUPID laws like the one in Denver being enacted. Just watch. It'll get worse before it gets better.
Taking a deep breath and getting off my soapbox now.
(Message edited by jaimec on June 08, 2007) |
Greenlantern
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 02:26 pm: |
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It seems that there is a certain group of people who are in dire need of a rectal craniotomy.
If it is louder, Hellloooooo, the aural nerve is sending this signal to the brain, " MORE AUDIBLE DECIBEL INPUT HAS ARRIVED AT EAR DRUM!!!"
Maybe those sentences should be flipped around no?
Greenlantern, if your priority is self defense and self preservation, you should probably get out of biking.
I'll keep that in mind next time I'm on my Schwinn.
And by the way, My vance and hines Do fall within local noise ordinance's.
But on the road, I can be heard if I want to be.
That works for me, but that is a big difference from the "open pipes' that some people seem to think have a practical purpose on the streets.
If you run a loud set of pipes through the forest and there is noone there to write a ticket... is it really too loud ?
only if there is an endangered species of Owl in that forest.
Another query, If every car, truck, motorcycle and emergency vehicle on the road had loud pipes , who would be saving who?
(Message edited by greenlantern on June 08, 2007) |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 02:39 pm: |
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Yep I have a loud pipe cause I have a small man hood! LOL
Man this went from a nice discussion to bashing, wow, I wonder if people who say people with big trucks and loud pipes have small units actually have a small unit themselves.
And before you say, "Hey Spidey didn't you just say..."
Yes I did, but remember I have a loud pipe so I already have a small unit!
Those Off Road pipes are illegal not just for sound but mainly casue they didn't pass any EPA testing.
Ahhhhh
another kink in the ol' you suck cause your loud pipes are illegal, my pipe could be well within my town/city/state's legal DB limit and still be illegal.
So every one cast out thine loud exhaust and increase your manhood!! |
Oldog
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 02:42 pm: |
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Why don't they out law talking on the phone while driving first! that is a hazzard to more than just us riders.
My .02$ don't stop or stay in or around Denver if the ordinance offends you (it does me) and we get more riders to do this then the loss of revinue will take effect.
If you have their wallets their minds will follow.
the government is going to continue on the path of encroachment of liberty untill the citizens say in one clear voice ENOUGH, hopefully sooner rather than later.
Like Ryker77 says VOTE! |
Greenlantern
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 02:58 pm: |
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Uh Spidey........Uh how do I say......this uh with tact...oh shazbot..YOU WEAR BRIGHT BLUE AND RED SPANDEX LEOTARDS!!! WHY THE HELL DO YOU NEED LOUD PIPES TO CATCH ANYBODY'S ATTENTION?!?! oh and about that manhood thing, are marvel artists just flattering in their renditions of you or are you just stuffing? |
Wolfridgerider
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 03:00 pm: |
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VOTE
All the smokers in Ohio wish that voting thing didn't happen because now they can only light up at home and in their own cars or at least 10 feet from a entrance to a place of business.
OR
That gay marriage thing ain't going to happen here either.
Majority rule. If you piss off the majority with your loud pipes and they get to vote on it you may not like the outcome. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 03:09 pm: |
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oh and about that manhood thing, are marvel artists just flattering in their renditions of you or are you just stuffing?
It's stuffing, duh!
remember
Loud pipe = tenie wenie |
Sooner
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 03:28 pm: |
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Jaimec, that was spoken like someone who has Hilliary Clinton as one of his myspace friends, and a link to Michael Moore on his web site.
"Spread the cheer".
Good job living your motto. 
Seriously, "It seems that there is a certain group of people who are in dire need of a rectal craniotomy."
Then "Spread the cheer." |
Damnut
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 03:48 pm: |
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Loud pipes have NOTHING to do with safety and everything to do with people screaming for attention because they weren't hugged enough as a child, or watched too many porno movies and feel "inadequate."
I have a loud pipe on my bike and I'm not screaming for attention, I was hugged plenty as a child and as far as feeling "inadequate" you couldn't be further from the truth.
For those who are against loud pipes I say be careful who you talk shit about. I for one am offended by some of the comments of the anti-loud folks on here. Wanna know why I have a loud pipe???? CAUSE I LIKE IT!!!! Those who make blanket statements about what kind of person has loud pipes are bigger assholes than the folks they "think" are assholes for having loud pipes. MAYBE IT'S YOU THAT DIDN'T GET ENOUGH HUGS AS A CHILD?????? If you ever met me you would have no idea what kind of person I am or what kind of bike that I ride.
This whole conversation is foolish. There are a lot of bigger problems in this world other than loud pipes. .02 |
Wolfridgerider
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 04:00 pm: |
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I like my Drummer |
Rainman
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 04:02 pm: |
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Hey, I have a quiet pipe on my bike and I a small manhood so that can't be the connection. |
Roadrailer
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 04:16 pm: |
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If your reason for buying a loud pipe truly is safety (and we all know that is a steaming crock of shit, but I'll play along) why not install a loud horn? Cheaper, keeps you legal, only works when you need it and doesn't piss the neighbors when you don't. I have a friend who has an air horn that can wake the dead. Works better than any of the fart cans you folks call mufflers.
Of course, all of your bantering about liberties and freedoms is pointless. Like it or not, you have NO RIGHT to all the racket you're making. Period. The laws are well established. Communities are sick of being assaulted by excessive motorcycle noise, and they are going to continue to pressure the authorities to enforce the existing laws. It's happening in smaller communities all across the country, and now it's happened in a major US city. If you ride a bike with a loud pipe, this is YOUR fault.
You may claim you're keeping yourself safe (again just playing along; see steaming crock of shit message above) but in reality all you're doing is pissing off people around you and further marginalizing motorcyclists on public roadways. Good job.
Whatever happened to being considerate of others? |
Roadrailer
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 04:31 pm: |
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This whole conversation is foolish. There are a lot of bigger problems in this world other than loud pipes. .02
Time to pull your head out of your, um, pipes. This is one of the most important issues facing motorcyclists today. We're under increased scrutiny from law enforcement, we're being banned from private communities and establishments, and, IIRC, some cities in Europe are even trying to bar motorcycles from using certain roads and even entire parts of town. All because you and people like you like the way your motorcycles sound. |
Damnut
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 04:40 pm: |
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Want some cheese to go with that whine?????? |
Ryker77
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 04:48 pm: |
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Had a all white 1998 S1W in prime shape. Just had bought it and it had stock headers into a 3" open pipe.  It was LOUD.
Three days after buying it. Those saftey pipes helped NONE when the silverback in a Camery pulls out across my lane and I t-bone her. Sound travels backwards -- most bike wrecks are from headon or side on collisions.
Loud is a measurement. I for one have had really quite bikes ease past me on the freeway and would have never know they were there.. In a well build cager outside noise has been designed to be kept outside.
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Loud pipes in middle nowwhere-ville Arkansas is alot different than a city with 500,000 people.
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Respect others. |
Oldog
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 06:01 pm: |
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Loud pipes in middle nowwhere-ville Arkansas is alot different than a city with 500,000 people.
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Respect others.
When they hang up and drive,
Till then a rap on the loud handle works better with somnambulant drivers than the horn and it has since 1980
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Dutchboy
| | Posted on Friday, June 08, 2007 - 07:10 pm: |
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The problem for us is there are a lot more cell-phone wielding cagers willing to vote to outlaw loud, 'dangerous' motorcycles then loud (and/or quiet  ) motorcycle riders willing to vote to outlaw dangerous cell-phone wielding cagers.
Majority rules in the US and we riders are a distinct minority. Right or wrong we get in a p*ssing contest at the risk of our right to ride. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 12, 2007 - 10:32 am: |
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You think Denver is bad? Pity the poor Quebecois who want to ride: http://www.ex-500.com/index.php/topic,2359.0/topic seen.html
I'll say it again: Unless WE act like more responsible adults and police ourselves, others will step in and do it for us and we WON'T like what they come up with!! That's a GUARANTEE! |
Bking
| | Posted on Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 01:32 pm: |
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The AMA is in the process of talking to the powers to be in Denver about the new law. Read about the AMA's involvement here.
It also seems that Denver is relaxing the noise limits for car and trucks in order to go after the bikes. Seems unfair to me. All licensed vehicles should have to adhere to the same noise requirements.
-----Bob |
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