| Author | Message | ||
     Josh_cox |
 We had a great turn out at our last sport bike event. As requested, the dyno shootout now has more classes and prizes. We will have prizes for each class winner. We have also added an event called Skills Track where the purpose is to practice and hone cornering skills on your bike in a controlled environment, the parking lot. A rider that has better control of his bike in the parking lot will also have it on the street and track. You will race the clock for the most consistent times. First, second, and third place will receive prizes. On top of that, there will be live music, free food, and Buell demos throughout the day. Don't miss it! Please call Cindy with any questions at 417-623-1054 or email csweet@cycleconnectionh-d.com. | ||
| Regkittrelle |
"Skills Track Competition" If it looks like BattleTrax, sounds like BattleTrax, rides like BattleTrax, described like BattleTrax, timed like BattleTrax.... what do ya figure it is? Maybe I should be flattered. Funny, that's not how I feel. | ||
| Josh_cox |
Reg, I tried to contact you in March about hosting a BattleTrax competition (http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/406 2/267962.html?1175201358). After searching for info (Thanks Spidey and Murdoch for what info I did get). There was nobody to talk to, so we have planned a track and run it several times to make sure this will be safe and fun for those involved. We did not use the BattleTrax name because that is your name. BattleTrax seemed to be unavailable for scheduling. Sorry if you are upset, but we wanted to provide a fun activity for our local riders. If you would like to discuss this further, please email me at jcox@cycleconnectionh-d.com or call 417-623-1054 ext 245. Josh | ||
| Regkittrelle |
I'm not upset. I just wonder at the ethic of this. That is, you couldn't contact me, so you went ahead anyway. (Contacting me can often be difficult because of the various trips I'm on. However, I can ALWAYS be contacted thru SacBORG.com) Legally you're on solid ground. I just do biz differently than most, apparently. For example: The initial idea for BTX came about in a conversation with Buell's Scott Miller in 1997. The idea was to devise an event that showed the fun of a Buell. As the idea is the same as auto-X, but with motorcycles, I contacted the SF region of the SCCA (the big kahuna of auto-x) and asked how they felt about me using their concept. They were supportive and open to it. In fact, they arranged for a couple of their auto-x big guns (Corvettes) to meet with us at Mather AFB in Sacramento to show us the ins and outs of staging an event such as this. (BTW: We beat their times). This type of mutual respect makes for a good business relationship. But, hey, it's a new world... guess I'd better get used to new ways of doing biz. If there's any twinge of guilt lingering in your organization I'd like to suggest you make a contribution to the Matt Ware fund to expunge it. | ||
| Court |
>>>I'd better get used to new ways of doing biz. Please don't. You've been like an ethical lighthouse in the world of motorcycling. Heck.....even us serial liars dig you!  | ||
| Spiderman |
Let the record state; I just passed along the info to get in touch with Reg. | ||
| Koz5150 |
Nothing against Reg, but I am pretty sure he wasn't the first guy to set up a skills track for guys riding a cycle? I understand the concept of intellectual property and all that, but I was riding with my friends between road hazards in my backyard with my 3hp mini bike 20+ years ago. That said, I have been to an Official BattleTrax event and had a great time. Setting up a decent track is essential (for both fun and safety) and so is keeping everything under control and organized. You wouldn't want the fastest guy to run the track with the timers set up incorrectly. To me that is where Reg is invaluable. It's not about the concept, it's ALL about the execution! | ||
| Danny_h__jesternut |
Plank ride, weenie bite, slow race, doesn't anyone do real skills tests any more? | ||
| Regkittrelle |
koz5150... You're correct on every point. I more fully explain my position over on the SadSACK. BTW: I haven't done a Top Time event is a couple of years. Target Time structure is safer and more inclusive. | ||
| Blake |
Reg, "I just wonder at the ethic of this. That is, you couldn't contact me, so you went ahead anyway." I see no reason whatsoever for any twinge of "guilt." Did they or did they not in good faith attempt to contact you? And more confusingly, please consider your earlier statements on this very issue as follows: The fact is BattleTrax is nothing more than auto-X for motorcycles; a format that has been around for at least 40-some years. ... I'm seeing two very different and contradictory messages, which is confusing. Maybe you can clarify?  | ||
| Koz5150 |
I don't read sadSAC... Top Time was back at Uke's for the 20th Buell anniversary | ||
| Woody1911a1 |
i just don't see how someone can claim ownership of such a generic form of racing ? race around a bunch of objects , the fastest time wins . i was building cars for autocross 25 years ago . there were tons of sanctioned and unsanctioned events all over . not exactly a new idea . not called BattleTrax . an event at just one place and not being sold or promoted to other dealers . sorry but i just can't see how Reg can lay claim to inventing racing around cones to a clock as his . | ||
| Spiderman |
Reg never claimed to "invent" BattleTrax. He has said many, many times he got the idea from autoX. He has even said he met and talked with the AutoX folks on his idea of BattleTrax. Reg's main beef is with people calling there even BT or in a recent case here in SouthWest Michigan and Northern Ohio the dealers were trying and even said that they were looking to circumvent Reg so they would not have to pay him. Another reason Reg gets a tad irritated is cause of the course set up. It is a very tricky thing, I have ran quite a few tracks and learned from Reg himself on the proper set up and execution of said event. A proper course is a fantastic and wonderful thing. An improper course is a nightmare, causing many wrecks and possible injury. I attend the local rip off BattleTrax here in Mi and Oh to make sure no one got hurt and the courses were at least safe to run. On course that was in Ohio was on an oval ARCA track in the infield where they ran figure 8 races. Not only was the course set up too tight on a very pitted and jagged surface they had a 360 turn on a banked turn, not only was the turn on/off camber but the middle of the turn had the large white starting line in the center. I pulled the "event staff" to the side and told them to change the track right now or something bad was going to happen. The laughed and said whatever. Two runs in a Sporty when into the 360 BOOM lowside, guy slammed down pretty hard and the sporty's oil tank ruptured and spilled oil all over the track. They took out the 360. Five runs in some one almost high sided in the tight center field section, saved it and slammed to the ground on the low side. They shut down the track for an hour to "Re-arrange" the track. A participant there had run a BT before and helped them re-set up the course, they asked me to help. I refused stating they had no reason trying to set up a course in the first place. BT, while like AutoX, is very different. If the AutoX course is set up wrong or someone goes in too hot they spin out. In BT if the course is set up wrong and someone goes into a corner too hot they high side and could die... | ||
| Woody1911a1 |
hey spidey , seems that Reg invested alot into developing a great and safe program . my question is (and i'm not trying to be confrontational ) "does anyone that wants to run a skills course around cones on a motorcycle need to feel obligated to get permission from Reg ? " there's three threads going on three boards and flames flying . | ||
| Koz5150 |
There are other Buell boards??? (worth reading) Here come some more flames... | ||
| Regkittrelle |
Maybe if my posts were read closer... or better written... most of these responses wouldn't have happened. I did not "invent" the concept. As I've stated at length, I copied it from auto-X. No one needs to ask my "permission" to run a similar format unless they use the BattleTrax name. The problem that has arisen on occasion, is that I become associated with events that I have nothing to do with. Example; I received a call from the lawyer of a young man (the lawyer was his father) that broke his ankle at an event I did not produce. He wanted to know why an ambulance was not on the scene. My issue is, and always has been, those who would stage an event without knowing what they're doing. Spidey and others; I appreciate the support, but don't get caught up in this. I don't want the subject to polarize riders. There are issues extent that are being handled with the specific parties involved. | ||
| Spiderman |
Just to be clear there was no Jab at Josh and/or CC. Just explaining to Woody why Reg my be a tad peeved. Woody, Hard question, I think the right thing would to try and contact Reg if you know about BT. Even seek his advice and find out as much as you can. I have been a tad jaded by the dealer I worked at, they were purposely trying to get away from not paying Reg. I stood up to them and was "let go". Now just so we are clear I am not saying Josh or CC is doing that, that is just my experience and I can see where Reg is coming from. But to sum it all up Woods I can't really tell you one way or another, I am not sayin Josh and CC did anything wrong, I do not know the whole story, just my opinion on where Reg is coming from... | ||
| Crusty |
There are other Buell boards??? (worth reading) Yes; there are. | ||
| Reepicheep |
I ran two Ohio events... the first was at Hara Arena in Dayton, and was a well set up course and great fun. Harley had a regional rep there running it... a younger black gal (who's name I forget). She had a positive attitude and did a good job, and I think they had a lot of help setting up the course from some folks from up north (Lima or something?). I am hoping that was a sanctioned BTrax event, but doubt it. The second was a year or two later in Cincinnati. The course setup was OK, but like you mentioned, it had some cracked pavement, dirty pavement, and cracks in some pretty inopportune places. It took a lot of the fun out of it. I spent a lot more time worrying about "road hazards" then I did on riding better. It was a lot more crowded as well, that was probably a big factor also. I've thought seriously about just setting up a course for just me, or just me and a close friend or two, in an empty parking lot. No timing equipment, just a skills course. The two major obstacles are (1) not knowing how to set up a good course and (2) not owning a big parking lot and not sure if I want to just do it until the cops chase me off. | ||
| Rainman |
I feel so stupid. I thought the Buell Bust was a new bike and it was just out. My bad. | ||
| Woody1911a1 |
I thought the Buell Bust was a new bike and it was just out. lmaoo Buell Bust yea that does have a good ring to it  not I have been a tad jaded by the dealer I worked at, they were purposely trying to get away from not paying Reg. I stood up to them and was "let go". that spidey is where i can totally agree with you as just being totally wrong and can understand how reg would be pissed . only know josh from here and don't think there was any foul intended . that's all . great concept and with his expertise , he needs to find a way to market it properly . | ||
| Rex |
I too read the heading and thought they were coming out with a new Buell Blast...maybe with rotax motor, etc...oh well.....it was Buell Bust Out! I wonder if Buell was contacted, before their name was used.......sorry... I like the way the new battle trax is done, where you go against a consistent time....rex | ||
| Paint_shaker |
Sure would be nice if a dealer would set up a motorcycle rodeo* down here... Looks like it woud be fun!! *didn't want to call it anything that sounded like something else... | ||
| Crusty |
I think that Motorcycle Rodeo is copyrighted by Easyriders  |
