| Author | Message | ||
     Hammeroid |
http://www.cnn.com/ | ||
| Prof_stack |
It is very hard to know what to say ... | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
WTF???!!! I think covers a lot | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
Very sad indeed, will give "campus security" awhole new meaning. Please send you best thoughts and prayers. | ||
| Greenlantern |
It is very hard to know what to say ... God help us all comes to mind.... What kind of world have I brought my children into is another thought I am trying to turn away. Through my tears I pray for the victims families and for mankind's deliverance from senseless violence and loss such as this. | ||
| Nevrenuf |
amen | ||
| Tx05xb12s |
I couldn't imagine something like that happening at my campus. Bet they couldn't either. What a tragedy. I am GLAD I haven't brought any children into this f'd up world we live in. I don't get it. | ||
| Buellshyter |
I am GLAD I haven't brought any children into this f'd up world we live in. I don't get it I realize that is probably a knee-jerk reaction to a horrific event but the fact remains we live in a time of increasing lifespans not only due to medicine but also from a decrease in violence and war. On an individual basis, one's chance of being the victim of a homicide or a casualty of war is extremely low. History is replete with examples of extreme violence. World War 1 and 2 come to mind where people were killed by the bucket load. We live in a time of such ease and convenience that we expect perfection in our lives and when we don't get it we become agitated. Andrew Kehoe, a school board member, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of a school blew up the Bath School in Bath Township, Michigan which killed 45 people and injured 58, mostly children. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. The day/year this occured???...May 18, 1927 | ||
| Ryker77 |
Doesn't Virginia have some tuff gun control laws? None the less firearms are illegal from all school grounds. I wonder if other countries have this type of problem? | ||
| Dmhines |
http://www.roanoke.com/news/roanoke/wb/wb/xp-50658 | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I wonder if other countries have this type of problem? They sure do, but its usually the people in charge doing it to their on countrymen for some sort of profit or power, not to go out in a blaze of "GLORY" because Mommy and Daddy didn't teach them right from wrong or discipline them when they misbehaved. Then Uncle Sams Misguided Children re-educate them and all is well. I'm just so pissed that some A-HOLE can go out and ruin so many lives FOR NOTHING!! We have so much to be thankful for, WHAT THE HELL COULD HAVE HAPPENED THAT THIS ACTION WAS THE ANSWER?!! BRING BACK THE DRAFT!! so these STUPID SPOILED KIDS could see how GREAT it is to live here. Maybe the next time they start to think how BAD they have it, they will remember the staving kids they saw in Central America or Africa. Or the people that had no running water, electric or even a home to live in. Can you believe they don't even have a Walmart!! | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus." | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Doesn't Virginia have some tuff gun control laws? Does strict gun control deter murder and violence? | ||
| Wile_ecoyote |
Unfortunately no it doesnt. | ||
| Teddagreek |
Hey Larry Hincker we all feel safe now ASS HOLE Why have they not show a picture of the suspect.. There is not even a description out yet.. What if its a middle eastern student.. People would go APE.... GUN BILL SHOT DOWN....A bill that would have given college students and employees the right to carry handguns on campus died with nary a shot being fired in the General Assembly. House Bill 1572 didn't get through the House Committee on Militia, Police and Public Safety. It died Monday in the subcommittee stage, the first of several hurdles bills must overcome before becoming laws. The bill was proposed by Del. Todd Gilbert, R-Shenandoah County, on behalf of the Virginia Citizens Defense League. Gilbert was unavailable Monday and spokesman Gary Frink would not comment on the bill's defeat other than to say the issue was dead for this General Assembly session. Virginia Tech spokesman Larry Hincker was happy to hear the bill was defeated. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus." Del. Dave Nutter, R-Christiansburg, would not comment Monday because he was not part of the subcommittee that discussed the bill. Most universities in Virginia require students and employees, other than police, to check their guns with police or campus security upon entering campus. The legislation was designed to prohibit public universities from making "rules or regulations limiting or abridging the ability of a student who possesses a valid concealed handgun permit ... from lawfully carrying a concealed handgun." The legislation allowed for exceptions for participants in athletic events, storage of guns in residence halls and military training programs. Last spring a Virginia Tech student was disciplined for bringing a handgun to class, despite having a concealed handgun permit. Some gun owners questioned the university's authority, while the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police came out against the presence of guns on campus. In June, Tech's governing board approved a violence prevention policy reiterating its ban on students or employees carrying guns and prohibiting visitors from bringing them into campus facilities. .....Advertisement..... | ||
| Buellshyter |
There is not even a description out yet.. There was a telephone interview with one of the students that was shot, in the arm, and he said the gunman was in his 20's and Asian. "I'm sure the university community is appreciative of the General Assembly's actions because this will help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus." Keyword is FEEL...not ARE safer but FEEL safer | ||
| Luvthemtorts |
This is the one time I can remember that our local news has more information than the national news. It is extremely unfortunate that it took these circumstances to bring our small news channels out of the dark ages of journalism. | ||
| Rainman |
Check out the Roanoke Times website. They've been doing a great job. You can check out our website at the Charlottesville Daily Progress for some reporting -- not as much as Roanoke, however -- at www.dailyprogress.com. I can talk more tomorrow. Got a deadline. | ||
| Midknyte |
Before this is all over and done with, we're going to hear the "R" word again: ...News reports also said that he may have been taking medication for depression, that he was becoming increasingly violent and erratic... http://www.dailymail.com/story/News/2007041636/His -creative-writing-raised-alarm-he-was-on-medicatio n-and-he-left-a-note/ | ||
| Rainman |
There's a whole lot of words coming out of this and a lot of people being blamed for things that were not their fault. As a journalist I'm appalled at last night's coverage on CNN's Paul Zahn and in the Knoxville paper's front page. I'm a great hater of Fox News but they are the only ones who seemed to have taken their medications before the evening talent shows of Greta, Paul and whoever is on MSNBC. There's no way to stop a freak intent on killing. There's already a ban on guns on campus and it didn't stop the freak, only the folks who may have been carrying. I'm not in favor of everyone packing. I guess I just don't see how this could have been avoided and I'm tired of people trying to find a scapegoat for the fact that some folks ain't no damn good or are just plain fcrazy. Oh well. BAck to work. | ||
| Xbullet |
alls i know is... if there had been ONE KID or even a PROFESSOR (fat chance in our liberal education system) comin' heavy to class, it could have been over with many fewer deaths. that's not to say that the execution style shooting (he lined them all up against the wall, people!) would have been stopped entirely, but someone with the courage and proper training/practice could have stopped this puny little sh*t before he killed 30 something UNARMED and DEFENSELESS people. it's the one occassion when you need it that you're glad you carry the damn thing. hopefully that day never comes, and i pray that my 1911 never clears leather except to shoot steel and paper targets. but if that day comes... let 'em take me if it saves the other 29. when you ride with me, you ARE safe, at least from that. yer on yer own with the cagers and dirt in the corners.  Bullet (Message edited by xbullet on April 17, 2007) | ||
| Buellshyter |
An armed man has a chance An unarmed man has no chance | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Just like Columbine, just like Katrina people put too much faith in government to save them from disaster. Alot of people want to blame everyone but the scum that committed the crime. The schools fault or the police didnt act quick enough or even the gun manufacturers fault. This may enforce the idea that unless you want to be convicted of a federal crime, dont go to cities or campuses where it is illegal to use lethal force to protect your life or loved one. Luckily Ohio just did away with a bunch of bullshit liberal gun laws that were prevalent in our bigger cities. | ||
| Ryker77 |
An armed man has a chance An unarmed man has no chance While I am pro-gun (see next post). An unarmed man does have a chance. Most people are not accurate shots. Most auto pistols are not accurate. And most people are not trained on how to shoot a moving target. Run like hell if near the shooter in a zig zag pattern. If possible use other objects to shield your movement. Once you've made it 50 yards then run straight out no need to zig zag. Unless the shooter has a good auto rifle. Then your ass is toast. | ||
| Ryker77 |
My gun collection now has more of a story to it. Nothing to brag about - But I do have knowledge on the weapons used. Bushmaster xm15 was used in the DC sniper strings. Now the Walther p22 was just used. Simple little .22 that was not an accurate plinker. Nothing like a SW 22s or a RugerMK2. Any target past 20 yards was 3-4" groups. Rapid fire also sucked. The SW 22s was 100$ more accurate. Had I been a student and been allowed to carry - I would have been carrying my p22. | ||
| Buellshyter |
Unless the shooter has a good auto rifle. Full auto rifles are less accurate then a pistol. | ||
| Wolfridgerider |
I think its time to go get the permit. | ||
| Johnnymceldoo |
Most people are not accurate shots. Most auto pistols are not accurate. Most people dont shoot. Firearms have been so demonized by certain groups that the mention of firearm ownership in alot of places is frowned upon. Most pistols from reputable manufacturers are accurate with practice in the distance they were designed to cover. If you cant shoot a silhouette from 20 yards than maybe you shouldnt be carrying. Had I been a student and been allowed to carry - I would have been carrying my p22. To each his own but I dont like the odds of a .22 against a .45 or even a 9mm. It would be like taking a huffy to sturgis. | ||
| Xbullet |
To each his own but I dont like the odds of a .22 against a .45 or even a 9mm. It would be like taking a huffy to sturgis. the mouse gun you carry is better than the big bore you leave at home! that bein' said, had i been a student and been allowed to carry ...ahem... i carry my les baer 1911. Be Prepared (boy scout motto!) Bullet (Message edited by xbullet on April 18, 2007) | ||
| Blake |
Where's Big Hairy Ralph when we need him? |
