| Author | Message | ||
     Jaimec |
Sometimes horsepower wins: http://tinyurl.com/2veunk (WARNING: Qatar MotoGP spoiler) (Message edited by jaimec on March 11, 2007) | ||
| Glitch |
Yep, on a track designed for bikes that go as fast as MotoGP bikes, power, and rider ability are king. If all the bikes power had been closer to the same, then rider ablilty, handling, and braking would have been the deciding factor. I wish I could have seen the race, but with a day as beautiful as yesterday, riding beats watching TV hands down. The TV may have more power (over some), but the hadling my bike has beats the TV every single time. Going to be in the 70s again today, so the TV loses once again. | ||
| Jaimec |
Speed is televising the race at 6:00 EDT. I'm taking a ride down to the local Hooters this afternoon with some friends to watch it there. | ||
| Kdan |
It'll be on SpeedTV tonight at 6:00. 5:00 if you forgot to change your clock last night. | ||
| Glitch |
I'll probably be speeding at 6:00. If not I'll tune in. Thanks for letting me know! | ||
| Teddagreek |
Dont want to ruin it for any one... In his final lap he beat the track record.. The record was set by the guy who came in second.. | ||
| Teddagreek |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlLm-ONQcs | ||
| Jaimec |
Top speed comparison from the racing forum: http://tinyurl.com/2yatew Other than (you-know-who), top speed didn't seem to have any bearing on placing at the end. (Message edited by jaimec on March 11, 2007) | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Did anyone notice the lean angle meter during the race? It registered a 63 degree lean for John Hopkins on his suzuki in one corner...63 degrees...I am just wondering how accurate that thing could be..that seems awfully low..but then again they are built for that.. | ||
| Rasmonis |
Stoner's Duc spanked the Yamaha on the straights. It almost seemed unfair...cause he quickly lost that lead once the track got twisty. | ||
| 12r |
Did anyone notice the lean angle meter during the race? It was most excellent 40 degrees - pah 50 degrees - oo-err 60 degrees - sheeeeeeeeeeeeeet  | ||
| Valentino_rossi |
So, after thee race eye say to Jeremy "The Ducatee is virry strong and mye Yamar-ha is sheet. On thee straight it will not make thee next gear and so Casey make a beeg gap." Jeremy say "Valentino you farkwit how many times do I have to tell you it's ONE up and FIVE down ? Strewth even Mick knew that !" So eye try again and now eye can make all 6 gears ! At Jerez I will press Casey's kill switch on thee straight hahahahaha Ciao  | ||
| Jaimec |
I think I remember reading the 990's rarely (if ever) exceeded 58 degrees of lean. 63 degrees is friggin' unbelievable!! As for the HP difference... I guess there's a reason for desmodromics after all. Next up is Suzuki with their pneumatic valves. I consider Pedrosa a bit of an aberration; he's reaching that top speed not because of his bike's horsepower but because he presents such a TINY profile into the wind. Be interesting to see how the other factories respond... | ||
| Liquorwhere |
That Ducati was incredible pulling away like that...Nicky Haden had a rough day of it.but Colin Edwards stayed in the top five for the race and finished in 6th with the same bike as Valentino..what bummed me was the Ilmor breaking down..I like the privateers and gotta cheer for them....but back to the real deal...considering how much gap Casey pulled over Valentino each straight away and the way that Valentino kept it so close, it really shows you how good that guy is on the track, people that were looking to Dani to be the next king of MotoGP may have to eat their hat if Casey keeps this up. | ||
| Rocketman |
The Ducati clearly did have the legs on the rest of the field in that race, and Rossi showed how very much faster his worth is when all others that finished faded away. It would have been interesting to see how Capirossi would have figured had he not got baulked at the start. He was coming through the field with impressive times, until he binned it. So I'm a little at odds once again with Rossi. 4 laps to go and Rossi passes Stoner for the lead. I assumed Rossi was seeing exactly where Stoner would pass him on the straight on the very next lap. That would be 3 to go. So Rossi should have took Stoner on the penultimate, leaving a drag race down the straight on the last lap. Now when Stoner passed Rossi again for the lead on the 3rd to go, Stoner did not get passed Rossi until some distance after the finish line. Am I the only one who thought Rossi had that in mind for a last lap drag race finish? Even Rossi seemed to have been unconcerned, looking like he settled for 2nd place. Maybe secretly he wants an Italian bike to win. If I'd have been Rossi I wouldn't have given in so easy. Rocket | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Watching that race I thought we were about to see vintage Rossi...follow until about 5 laps till the end and then check out...it is almost like the guy in the lead expects it as well and the minute he goes by they know he is gone...that Kenny Roberts remark..do your best 3 laps at the end of the race. I was amazed Casey held on... | ||
| Jaimec |
The "old" Casey Stoner would've crashed. The "new" Stoner is a lot more confident of his abilities and his bike. Rossi said it best: "He rode a PERFECT race." Congratulations, Casey! | ||
| Rocketman |
Time will tell if it's the 'new' Stoner. For me, without that Ducati performance on the straight, I wouldn't have had him on the podium. He was passed more than once after all. Rocket | ||
| Liquorwhere |
well sean I have to agree with you and I have to speculate...man Rossi on a Ducati!! Unbeatable at least for that race.what I wouldn't give to see that guy turn Daytona on the XBRR...truly would put myself in bankruptcy to see him race that bike for the 200..... there is something cool about a rider that is so much better than everyone else on a bike that is not as good it just shows the talent and makes the racing so much better!!! I love this stuff!!! | ||
| Rick_a |
Still, a faster bike means more work and skill neccesary to slow it down for an upcoming corner. I swear I was faster on my S1 when it only made 75 hp  . Casey kept his head down and rode a consistent race...just as fast from start to finish. Rossi was doing his wait and pounce at the end thing...didn't work out. Oh well! | ||
| Knickers |
63 degree lean = pulling 1.96g through the turn. Amazing stick out of those tires. | ||
| Socalbueller |
Knickers, how did you come up with 1.96g? I always wondered how you could compare lean angle with g's. I thought 90 degrees would equal 1g. Since that would explain why sports/race cars are faster around corners than bikes. | ||
| Knickers |
Just a free body diagram and a little trig. A bike leaned over at 63 degrees can be represented by a right triangle. The vertical axis represents the weight of the rider and bike and is equal to 1g by definition. The horizontal axis represents a force vector of the centripetal acceleration of the bike going through the turn. Knowing two angles and side of the triangle we can solve for the magnitude of the acceleration, or Lateral Acceleration = 1/TAN(90-lean angle) [you have to convert the angle to radians, multiply by 180/pi]  You can see that a 45 degree lean angle is equivalent to a 1g turn because it gives you an equilateral triangle. Kurt | ||
| Akbuell |
Many thanks to Valentino for his comments. It is really nice to hear from The Doctor about what he really thinks about the race; not those sanitized comments we hear in the post-race press conferences. BTW, how is your long lost brother Alfredo's moped racing season going? And how is the Smartfortwo stretch transporter working? Best of luck at Juarez! | ||
| Justin_case |
In aircraft a 90 degree banked turn is 4 g. | ||
| Heads |
stoners last lap was the fastest lap, no mistakes the perfect race for him... mid 2006 i predicted CASSEY STONER 2007 moto gp champ.. good start GO AUSSIES.... last two motogp back to back aussie wins  | ||
| Rocketman |
Like Vermulen, Stoner will disappoint just as much. Without that Italian bike beneath him, Stoner would have been blitzed by several others. 2007 has only just begun. Rocket | ||
| Mbsween |
Hey how about Hopkins??? Still banged up from the crash he pulls a 4th, I think he will deliver a good season if he can stay healthy. It will be interesting to see what he does on a competitive machine | ||
| Rick_a |
Hopkins is amazing to watch. He's always put up good results considering what he's been riding since getting into MotoGP.
Did you see any other Ducs anywhere near the podium? All bike...I think not. | ||
| Rocketman |
Did you see any other Ducs anywhere near the podium? All bike...I think not. Capirossi was balked at the start, yet he was the fastest lapper in the early stages whilst playing catch up. Unfortunately he binned it, but that's no reflection on Capirossi not being the great rider he is. I'm glad you mention the other Ducatis though, as this is something I'd thought about myself this past week. It basically works out like this. Stoner has to beat the likes of Rossi, Pedrosa and Melandri to name but three super quick and talented riders, but first of all his biggest rival must surely be his own team mate. So that is how I will judge him. Do I see Stoner beating Capirossi throughout the season? No has to be the answer. If I'm wrong it will be for one of two reasons. Capirossi will have a poor season through no fault of his own, or Stoner becomes a real sensation. As for Hopper, I've always said he's the best and fastest American on the grid, but then again, he is half English Rocket |
