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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 05:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm beginning to think it isn't healthy for your MotoGP aspirations to have a Spaniard as your teammate. Earlier this season Sete Gibernau smashed into Loris Capirossi (his Ducati teammate) for one of the biggest pile ups I've EVER seen in racing. If that accident never occurred, think of where Capirossi MIGHT be today. Of the races he's won, he's won in such dominating fashion that no one was even close! Heck, he beat Rossi by almost FIVE seconds! He could've stopped his bike at the finish line, gotten off, and WALKED it across and he'd still have had plenty of time.

And now Dani Pedrosa has essentially torpedoed Nicky Hayden's hopes of a championship season.

If memory serves correctly, Spaniard Tony Elias was the one who knocked Rossi off his bike in the very first race of the season (though Rossi managed to limp the bike into 15th place to salvage at least one point from that fiasco). Then again, Elias isn't on Rossi's team.

Final observation (and a bit of a non sequitir): Isn't it a little ironic that Casey Stoner replaces Sete Gibernau on the Ducati roster after knocking him out of the race last weekend? Is that how you get team offers these days?
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Bdabuell
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

wow...that's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read...
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Trac95ker
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

DITTO!!!
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Jimidan
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah, what bdaBuell sez. FIVE seconds isn't near enough time for him to have stopped his bike at the finish line, gotten off, and WALKED it across and he'd still have had plenty of time.

But I have thought about where Capirossi would have been in the championship if Gibletsnau hadn't been on his cell phone (thinking about laying some pipe in that leggy blonde) instead of watching where in the heck he was going.

jimidan
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Glitch
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 09:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

New Yorkers shouldn't be on the track.
If for no other reason, they can't post a contributing post, but rather generalize about a whole nation based on the questionable actions of three individual racers.
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Jon
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 09:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What's a "Spaniard"?
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Lastcyclone
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Actually, I'm one, and on behalf of all Spaniards I completely take offense to the remarks at the top of this thread.


Just kidding, it seems most of the younger Euro riders are very high strung.
Remeber in 04 when Rossi and Gibernau duked it out after a close race. Could you see Mladin and Spies doing that? Nope, they would congratulate each other, shake hands and maybe share some champagne.
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Jaimec
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 10:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Y'all didn't happen to notice MY name, then?
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Easy_rider
Posted on Thursday, October 19, 2006 - 10:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I saw the humor in it, even if others didn't.

Just 30 minutes ago I was thinking about how nice it's been recently not seeing a bunch of negative responses to every comment made......
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 12:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You'd think it was the FIRST time I ever posted anything in here... sheesh!
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Jon
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 02:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've always been fond of Spanish peanuts.
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Blake
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 06:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I took it for tongue in cheek Mr. Cruz. Cool name BTW. : )


Jon,
How do you feel about Spanish moss?
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12r
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 06:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good point about walking across the finish line. Unfortunately the regs have this covered by stating that 'The rider must be in contact with his machine'.

But they don't say anything about actually riding the bike, so I guess if you crashed on the last corner you could always push the wreck across the line.

Hope Nicky isn't reading this
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Kdan
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 07:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I had a Cocker Spaniard once.
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Jackbequick
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 07:48 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

A Cocker Spaniard. Hmmm. I'm thinking that would be the homosexual love child of Ricardo Montalban and Joe Cocker. Lots of ego, high personal grooming standards, maybe a little weak on self expression skills...

Jack
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Glitch
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 08:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Okay! I take it all back.
Only New York Spaniards should be ban.
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Centurion
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v76/m54samman/Repsol.jpg
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Bdabuell
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 12:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

aha....the "What?? I was joking" defense...I'll have to remember to use that the next time I'm in a bind and "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit" doesn't work....


Just 30 minutes ago I was thinking about how nice it's been recently not seeing a bunch of negative responses to every comment made...

I guess you haven't been reading any of the other motogp/pedrosa threads...; )
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Here, be the first in your neighborhood: http://www.cafepress.com/IHateDani
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Rocketman
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 04:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'm beginning to think it isn't healthy for your MotoGP aspirations to have a Spaniard as your teammate. Earlier this season Sete Gibernau smashed into Loris Capirossi (his Ducati teammate) for one of the biggest pile ups I've EVER seen in racing.

Gibernau didn't slam into Capirossi if we're talking the same incident at Catalunya. A freak accident occurred because Gibernau's front brake lever caught Capirossi whilst chasing into the first corner after the race start. Such application of the front brake would almost certainly result in the bike somersaulting just like it did in this incident. Hardly any one's fault, though rather unfortunate for all.

Rocket
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Jaimec
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 04:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Seriously... a freak accident that wouldn't've happened if he weren't so close to his compatriot. Important note to all riders: Give your team mates (if no one else) some space!!
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Easy_rider
Posted on Friday, October 20, 2006 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

BdaBuell,

Nah, Don't get far past Old School, Quick Board, and Classifieds. The racing segment is at best a once a month visit.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 03:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Hardly any one's fault, though rather unfortunate for all. "

I strongly disagree. Too close. Gibber's fault all the way. Very bad move. That's racing.
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Rocketman
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 06:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Seriously... a freak accident that wouldn't've happened if he weren't so close to his compatriot. Important note to all riders: Give your team mates (if no one else) some space!!

I strongly disagree. Too close. Gibber's fault all the way. Very bad move. That's racing.

Hayden's complained all year about his poor starts being down to a clutch that acts like an 'on off' switch. Now I know the truth. He's got you two pussycats for team coach.

Look closely at the Catalunya incident. They were racing down to the first corner after the race start. How the heck do you not ride too close? Those guys are probably braking from 150mph before they turn in.

I find both your comments laughable. You make it sound like Gibernau did it on purpose.

"Angona mineeet. I myta geeta ina bita closa. Takeem inda corna. Nota wuree bowta frontee braykee leevee "

My advise would be to not watch British Super Bike racing, ever! They swap paint often. You'd no doubt be upset by the ungentlemanly attitude displayed by those gutsy racers. No wonder we can't get a Brit a good ride in Moto GP. They've given them to soft Americans like Hayden, who wave their fellow competitors past at the start for safety reasons. Bad clutch my arse..............ducking

Rocket
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Jackbequick
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 09:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"..No wonder we can't get a Brit a good ride in Moto GP..."

Maybe when a Brit rider surfaces with all the right skills, and who meets all other considerations, someone will hire them. That has worked in the past.

Virtually every nation much involved in racing has produced good riders but nothing assures that it will happen or that they will be hired when it does.

It would not surprise me at all to find the racing teams are aware of the effect that rider nationality and even personality can have in the various markets. Especially the HoKaSuYa teams from companies with huge regional markets.

I think those teams would consider using a rider on a combination of skills and nationality and not just on skills.

The best riders from the "lean and hungry" nations are always well represented because of their contribution to team and marque wins.

Rossi's father was a racer and that gave him a better than average chance to become a racer, but his riding skills are unquestionable. And his personality makes him attractive to everyone. He is, without a doubt, the best in the world today.

Several are close to him, one or two could become this year's champion, but none will attain or equal his stature simply with a win this year.

Jack
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Geez Sean. It's gotta be someone's fault. The accident didn't happen due to an act of God. LOL If you run your bike into someone so closely that you run your brake lever into them and a fall results, it's nine times out of ten going to be your own darn fault. You apparently don't watch AMA racing. LOL You know, the organization with the superbike series where the former BSB and WSB champ has been relegated to also-ran for the past two years?
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Rocketman
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Speaking of brake levers. Did any of you catch a glimpse of Rossi's lever that showed up in a couple of Brit mags?

The reason for the pic was to show that Yamaha had put a hole in the lever to let air pass through it. Apparently at nigh on 200mph the moving air was applying the front brake.

Rocket
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Air brakes? Coool.
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Moboy516
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I saw an interview with Rossi where he said the hole in the brake lever was in case he went down, the lever would break in the middle and he could finish the race. I hadn't heard about the air applying the brake.

One of you engineers on here should figure out what pressure would be applied to the brake lever at 200mph. that would be interesting.
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Blake
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 02:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Stagnation pressure at 200 mph STP is about 0.7 psi. Who knows what the form factor is for a brake lever with all the other stuff all around it. I have no clue that's for sure.
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Rocketman
Posted on Saturday, October 21, 2006 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I saw an interview with Rossi where he said the hole in the brake lever was in case he went down, the lever would break in the middle and he could finish the race.

That sounds so much more feasible.

Rocket
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Acejay
Posted on Sunday, October 22, 2006 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

nah i had seen the same explanation for the hole in brake lever on the tv.
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